Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Please don't post the Crackhead Barney flag video currently doing the rounds on twitter.

Cheers.

Why not?

 

[Markfs]

Which is nonsense, obviously. The Judean people only ruled the surrounding areas for brief periods of time.

Places like Haifa, Jaffa and Ashkelon (or anywhere along the coast) were only briefly under nominal Judean rule in as much as they were part of the Roman Judean protectorate. They were never populated with Jewish people, ever in their history until the 1940's.

Those areas were under Egyptian, Christian or Zoroastrian rule a lot more of their history than they were nominally Judean. The area that they're claiming as "Greater Israel" was part of Roman Judea, but the Jews only really populated the inland areas around Jerusalem and up to Nazareth.

I appreciate the technical argument, but this is about religion. Its about being the chosen people and seeking the promised land. You can argue your case until you're blue in the face.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Why not?

Because I asked nicely.

If you post it, it will be deleted, and you might cop a thread ban.

 

[Markfs]

What poll is that?

if you monitor the israeli newspapers they are often quite open about the opinions of the people. Haaretz, of course, is always a good place to start, or even google it. I spent some time in the past months referring to these figures in other threads and the threads get shut down etc etc, and I'm not really into researching things to prove things to people who have a fixed mindset.

 

[Blue1980]

Sold out terrorists….bad man

And supporting terrorists who pay him handsomely to do so.

 

[Blue1980]

Not My fault that Hamas and Hezbollah "freedom fighters" hide in refugee camps and hospitals. They will use civilians as Shields.

It’s war 101, kill civilians en masse and cry about human shields.

Happened in Iraq heaps and countless other wars.

 

[Blue1980]

Well there is some elements to the truth in that.

No different to the "insurgents" and the Saddam Hussien Loyalists vs the Coaliton troops in the Iraq war.

And what was the point of that war? The one Bibi said would see democracy flower in the Middle East?

 

[Blue1980]

And mods let that shit slide unfortunately for them good will prevail and it wont be the terrorists.

You are deliberately disingenuous as always.

Name one post in this thread where anyone is pro Hamas.

 

[Blue1980]

The people he sold out were Hamas.
Or are you saying they are one and the same?

He’s sold out the Palestinian people, not Hamas per se.

He plays up the narrative basically whole Arab world is barbaric and Israel always good.

 

[Blue1980]

Time to get an overall picture.
Israel is no independent actor here. Every action it takes is first discussed, then agreed to, and then co-ordinated with the Biden Administration and the Pentagon.
This has become obvious.
Over the last 48 hours, with nauseating repetitiveness, we see the mainstream media reporting on how the US and Netanyahu are discussing what "retaliatory" strike they should now unleash against Iran.
When they finally come to an agreement, the US will give the IDF the necessary satellite data (via Pine Gap, very likely) and perhaps even the necessary weaponry (the latest bunker buster technology).

Israel is playing a specific role: carrying out genocide in Gaza and a war of annihilation in Labanon on behalf of its paymasters in Washington.

Their next target is Iran. And once again, the mainstream propaganda will portray this as another justified action of "self=defence".

Whether it’s the US driving it or helping it go further, either way they are totally involved.

I am trying to think of why the US is doing this and so cucked to Israel, like even more than ever.

 

[Blue1980]

Is John Winston Howard, George W Bush and Tony Blair war criminals as well? Thet sent troops to invade Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein

Yes

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

if you monitor the israeli newspapers they are often quite open about the opinions of the people. Haaretz, of course, is always a good place to start, or even google it. I spent some time in the past months referring to these figures in other threads and the threads get shut down etc etc, and I'm not really into researching things to prove things to people who have a fixed mindset.

The Times of Israel is the only non propaganda news outlet.

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

Because I asked nicely.

If you post it, it will be deleted, and you might cop a thread ban.

I guess we can't have those pro palestinian protesters looking bad now can we?

What forum rules does it contravene?

 

[Blue1980]

only until one of these 2 options happen.

1. fremantle dockers win a premiership.

2. peace in the middle east.

I prefer both but I know I will get neither.

Maybe the 2 are interlinked

 

[Markfs]

The Times of Israel is the only non propaganda news outlet.

There remains no consensus among Jewish Israelis about how exactly to respond to Hezbollah, though the majority favor increased action, whether a deep offensive in Lebanon, including targeting Lebanese infrastructure (46%), or more aggressive, though still limited, attacks on the terror group (21%) compared to the current skirmishes.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-israelis-believe-hostage-deal-unlikely-are-split-on-netanyahus-intentions/

 

[Blue1980]

This is going to be very controversial to say the least.

US to give Israel 'compensation' if it hits acceptable targets in Iran - report

Israel has vowed a response to the attack, which saw over 180 missiles fired at Israel, killing a single Palestinian in the West Bank.

www.jpost.com

'The US has reportedly offered Israel a "compensation package" if it refrains from attacking certain targets in Iran, according to a report in Kan11 on Sunday.

Amichai Stein told them that he had received reports from US officials that the US had offered Israel a "compensation package" if it refrained from hitting specific targets in Iran.

This package was offered during negotiations between officials of the two countries on the type of response to the attack from Iran.

The package would include a total guarantee of comprehensive diplomatic protection as well as a weapons package and was offered directly in return for holding off on striking certain targets in Iran.

Quid pro Quo​

Stein summed it up, saying, "An American official said, 'If you don't hit targets A, B, C, we will provide you with diplomatic protection and an arms package.'"

"Israeli officials responded saying, 'We consider the United States and listen to them. But we will do anything and everything we can to protect the citizens and the security of the State of Israel.'
..."

So it isn’t exactly carrot and stick approach is it.

It’s the carrot or even more carrot approach.

No “we will withdraw funding if you bomb these targets” it’s “we will give you more than ever before if you don’t bomb these targets”.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

There remains no consensus among Jewish Israelis about how exactly to respond to Hezbollah, though the majority favor increased action, whether a deep offensive in Lebanon, including targeting Lebanese infrastructure (46%), or more aggressive, though still limited, attacks on the terror group (21%) compared to the current skirmishes.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-israelis-believe-hostage-deal-unlikely-are-split-on-netanyahus-intentions/

That doesn't make the war crimes more palatable

 

[Blue1980]

So if Israel has bombed 90,000 buildings, and there was 30,000 Hamas fighters.

Does that mean that each Hamas fighter had three command centres ?

Yes, it’s science man

 

[Blue1980]

Netanyahu and the Western Media and Peter Dutton: Israel is fighting a battle against its extinction, that's why they're committing war crimes, which maybe aren't war crimes if you try to look at it a different way.

Israeli public: Netanyahu should resign and the greater risk to the state is from within than external.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/survey-62-of-israelis-believe-internal-divisions-worse-threat-than-external-dangers/

Why are the west and people like Peter Dutton excusing war crimes that the Israeli people themselves don't even see as the biggest problem?

Because $$$$$$$$$

 

[Ghost Patrol]

What forum rules does it contravene?

Contains adult content. Your parents/guardian should be able to explain if you need more detail.

 

[Blue1980]

How do people think Israel should have responded after October 7th attacks? Genuine question?

Most wars see huge civilian casualties. The USA nuked Japan twice to stop them.

Germany was basically flattened in WW2.

Targeted response to get Hamas leadership.

Comparing Israel’s actions to those 80 years ago when there have been countless wars since is disingenuous at best.

 

[Blue1980]

'Picking a side" is the problem. We are watching footy, or sitting on a jury. And picking a side, just binds you and blinds you. It binds you to the narrative of the 'side' you choose, and blinds you from anything they do wrong. My philospohy is that this is actualy where radicalisation occurs online in forums and SM like this. It's the barracking that causes it, and lets face it, when Collingwood is playing Carlton and a Carlton player is legally tackled, more than half the stadium are all incesnsed that the pies still didn't get a free kick and 2 50's for it.

I don’t see people who are anti what Israel are doing is picking a side.

I am not checking the news hoping Israelis get killed in retaliation as part of some scoreboard tally.

 

[Markfs]

That doesn't make the war crimes more palatable

depending on what side you're on, your interpretation will be consistent with that side.

 

[Saint]

Nobody Pro-Palestine wants to see Israelis (or any other people) killed at all.

Most banners calling for more bombing have been at pro-Israel rallies, not pro-Palestine rallies.

 

[Markfs]

Why are people like Peter Dutton excusing war crimes that the Israeli people themselves don't even see as the biggest problem?

He sees it as improving his chances to be elected PM. I thought that was obvious.