Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Saint]

Why is it that the same people who equate opposition to Israel with support of Hamas and Hezbollah are also the people who think Iran's attack was a failure because they didn't kill enough people?

A platoon of Israeli commandos being slaughtered on a counter-productive invasion is just as much a tragedy as that same number of civilians. If Israel didn't have a blank-cheque of a weapons supply from the US, those commandos would still be alive and so would a bunch of civilians and both sides would hate each other less.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

In this case, the eye of the beholder's timeline starts on October 7th and ignores that Israel and Hezbollah have been at war since Hezbollah was started in the late 70's/80's to oppose Israeli invasions and attacks on Shias in southern Lebanon and across the region.

There was not peace between Hezbollah and Israel on October 6th, so who fired first on October 8th doesn't really matter. Unless you think time started on October 7th or that Israel was a totally peaceful nation on October 7th.

Hezbollah are an organisation which exists only to resist Israel, who have been the constant aggressor in Lebanon with multiple invasions and massacres.

While people here might ignore everything pre Oct 7th, the people whose relatives and friends have been constantly attacked and massacred by Israel have not forgotten. And Israel have never sought peace, only domination.

sure, but i specifically mentioned Oct 7. Prior to Oct 7 there was almost no recent physical conflict between Hezbollah and Israel. They weren't actively attacking each other.

Hezbollah injected itself into the frame post 7th October specifically saying that its attacking Israel to force a ceasefire. It started attacking Israel on 8th October. Israel is clear, if you attack them, the response will be in disproportion.

Iran will be next if they keep ****ing around.

 

[radiojake]

I really wish people would stop pretending that Oct 8th was the start of history

 

[Saint]

sure, but i specifically mentioned Oct 7. Prior to Oct 7 there was almost no recent physical conflict between Hezbollah and Israel. They weren't actively attacking each other.

Hezbollah injected itself into the frame post 7th October specifically saying that its attacking Israel to force a ceasefire. It started attacking Israel on 8th October. Israel is clear, if you attack them, the response will be in disproportion.

Iran will be next if they keep ****ing around.

Hezbollah said they would attack Israel if Israel invaded Gaza. Israel invaded Gaza, then Hezbollah attacked.

They also said they'd stop firing when a ceasefire was reached. But Israel kept on Genociding. Hezbollah and the Houthis were the only organisations actively trying to prevent a genocide even though the Genocide conventions requires it of every nation.

Support for what Hezbollah is doing has gone up, even amongst Lebanese Christians.

Hezbollah are terrorists, but Israel were committing a genocide. Just like killing Sinwar or Nasrallah isn't necessarily a bad thing, neither would be killing Netanyahu, Smotrich or Ben-Gvir who are all also genocidal ethnic-supremacists.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Hezbollah said they would attack Israel if Israel invaded Gaza. Israel invaded Gaza, then Hezbollah attacked.

They also said they'd stop firing when a ceasefire was reached. But Israel kept on Genociding. Hezbollah and the Houthis were the only organisations actively trying to prevent a genocide even though the Genocide conventions requires it of every nation.

Support for what Hezbollah is doing has gone up, even amongst Lebanese Christians.

Hezbollah are terrorists, but Israel were committing a genocide. Just like killing Sinwar or Nasrallah isn't necessarily a bad thing, neither would be killing Netanyahu, Smotrich or Ben-Gvir who are all also genocidal ethnic-supremacists.

Hezbollah probably should have given that warning to Hamas before they did what they did.

Terrorists proxies dont tell a military superpower what to do, after they just attacked it. Shit goes downhill brother, not up.

Hezbollah are taking the piss if they didn't think Israel would respond to Hamas, given the warning Israel always gives. You attack us, the response will be disproportionate.

 

[1990crow]

**** Israel and America. Evil people.

 

[Saint]

Hezbollah probably should have given that warning to Hamas before they did what they did.

Terrorists proxies dont tell a military superpower what to do, after they just attacked it. Shit goes downhill brother, not up.

Hezbollah are taking the piss if they didn't think Israel would respond to Hamas, given the warning Israel always gives. You attack us, the response will be disproportionate.

So, after decades of Israeli oppression, they're never allowed to retaliate and should just let themselves be gradually ethnically cleansed?

Without Israel's oppression, these terrorist organisations wouldn't exist, nor have popular support. Which was Netanyahu's stated plan, btw.

 

[1990crow]

So, after decades of Israeli oppression, they're never allowed to retaliate and should just let themselves be gradually ethnically cleansed?

Without Israel's oppression, these terrorist organisations wouldn't exist, nor have popular support. Which was Netanyahu's stated plan, btw.

Spot on. Anyone who denies this doesn't know the history of Israel.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Israel’s modus operandi

 

[1990crow]

Israel’s modus operandi

He's doing so because the opposition are in bed with Israel and heaping political pressure on Albo to conform to the evil world order.

Dutton is basically Voldemort.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

So, after decades of Israeli oppression, they're never allowed to retaliate and should just let themselves be gradually ethnically cleansed?

Without Israel's oppression, these terrorist organisations wouldn't exist, nor have popular support. Which was Netanyahu's stated plan, btw.

I didn't say that.

I said what Hamas did triggered this latest episode in a multiple generational long war. And what Hezbollah and Iran are doing is expanding it.

Keeping ****ing around and they'll keep finding out.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

You are really getting owned in this thread. Like everything you post gets refuted with facts and then you just post something else and the same happens again.
I can predict the next post after this will be the poster acknowledging that Hamas killed most of them and that they don’t support Hamas. And then you’ll post something else that will be proved incorrect again.

Yeah whatever.
Don't see where i'm getting owned at all.
Just putting up some balanced views and engaging in civil discussion.

 

[Blue1980]

Morality does does come into it, and the USA has none.

The USA is responsible for some horrendous things over the years.

Agree they have done horrendous things, my point being they aren’t doing what they are doing re Ukraine or Israel for any moral crusade, it’s just self interest

 

[Achy Blakey Heart]

He's doing so because the opposition are in bed with Israel and heaping political pressure on Albo to conform to the evil world order.

Dutton is basically Voldemort.

Oh of course it’s all Dutton fault.

Albo can’t possibly be responsible.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Here’s a simpler version for our sleep deprived friend

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Here is an in depth discussion of the region.
Worth a read.

The Coming Conflict with Hezbollah

Since October 7, 2023, there have been over 4,400 attacks by Israel and Hezbollah combined, and the risk of war is high. Hezbollah has also repeatedly violated UN Security Council Resolution 1701 by deploying forces and firing weapons against Israel.

www.csis.org

 

[Markfs]

just give Israel its promised land and a lot of innocent lives will be saved. us evangelicals can get their endtimes. maybe all these religious fanatics will shrivel and die up when they haven't got some prize to aim for.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

The answer is to cut off all weapons to anybody being a terrorist or committing genocide.
People who watch too many films want there to be goodies and baddies and everyone picks a side. It's a war, they're almost certainly both a bunch of pr!cks. So don't give them any more missiles and bombs. This isn't hard to understand.

Iran supply Hezbollah, hence why Israel will go after them.
US probably supply a large portion of Israels weapons...will anyone go after them?
I don't know how it's possible to prevent this from occurring.

 

[1990crow]

Oh of course it’s all Dutton fault.

Albo can’t possibly be responsible.

Dutton is the one that threw himself in an Israeli visit (wait, what, a politician going on an aeroplane???).
He's as corrupt as they come.

 

[1990crow]

Iran supply Hezbollah, hence why Israel will go after them.
US probably supply a large portion of Israels weapons...will anyone go after them?
I don't know how it's possible to prevent this from occurring.

Stop supplying Israel.

 

[Saint]

Iran supply Hezbollah, hence why Israel will go after them.
US probably supply a large portion of Israels weapons...will anyone go after them?
I don't know how it's possible to prevent this from occurring.

Israel were already going after Iran. They've been assassinating, bombing embassies, attacking within Iran.

Iran was justified in declaring war on Israel when Israel bombed the Iranian embassy, or when they bombed nuclear scientists all over Iran for years before 2023.

It's the restraint of every country in the region other than Israel which has prevented escalation. Because everyone knows Israel react disproportionately and with impunity as if they've discovered some cheat code that nobody else ever thought of. Now they're reached a point where they can't escalate any more and Israelis are dying, they're at war with 6 different countries (Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Iran) and pretending that all they wanted was to be safe.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

'More than 70 killed by Israeli attacks on Gaza on Wednesday, Palestinian officials say' Guardian.

You won't hear much about this though. You'll hear about the 11 Israeli soldiers but not the dead arab kids.

 

[Saint]

World including Lebanon, Iran, Palestine, US, Australia, everyone calls for a ceasefire and de-escalation

Netanyahu: I vow escalation

Western Media: Israel begins its peaceful invasion of Lebanon while continuing to bomb children in Gaza and invade the West Bank. So hard to tell what might possibly stop the attacks on israel who had to hunker in modern bunkers for a couple of hours in "unimaginable" fear.

 

[1990crow]

World including Lebanon, Iran, Palestine, US, Australia, everyone calls for a ceasefire and de-escalation

Netanyahu: I vow escalation

Western Media: Israel begins its peaceful invasion of Lebanon while continuing to bomb children in Gaza and invade the West Bank. So hard to tell what might possibly stop the attacks on israel who had to hunker in modern bunkers for a couple of hours in "unimaginable" fear.

Funny Israel illegally invading Lebanon has zero media coverage, and yet Russia does the same and they receive sanctions.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[BFew]

I would be surprised if Iran's Nuclear facilities are still in one piece by the end of the month.

Whatever Biden has been reported to have said previously, I wouldn't bank on that being an indication of what happens next.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/tehran-could-have-nuclear-bomb-in-six-months-former-iaea-director/news-story/5fae4fb5ab9b1c94d2491b5b34301d17

'Tehran ‘could have nuclear bomb in six months’: former IAEA director'​

Larisa Brown and Samer Al-Atrush
1 hours ago

Iran could be six months away from having ten nuclear warheads ready to fire, an official observer who has visited the regime’s sites has reported.

Olli Heinonen, a former deputy director of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) who oversaw its efforts to contain Iran’s nuclear program, said the country could have the arsenal ready by April if it “rushed”.

The Finnish adviser said: “You cannot wipe out a country with those missiles but you can threaten it and be in a stronger position in negotiations.”

Officially, Iran claims that its nuclear program is for civilian purposes but Israel and many in the West see it as a front for weapons development.

An IAEA report in August said Iran had increased its stockpile of uranium enriched to 60 per cent to almost 165kg, 20kg more than the UN’s nuclear watchdog reported in May.

Enrichment of about 90 per cent is required for a bomb. Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, has long warned that Iran could achieve that in a few months.

Heinonen, a fellow at the Stimson Centre in Washington DC, who has held many meetings with the regime’s nuclear officials, said the missiles fired at Israel on Tuesday night could be used to deliver nuclear weapons.

“You just put something different where the payload is and design the weapons package differently so it survives the flight,” he said. “That is why the US and UK are worried.”

He warned that officials in Iran had signalled that they had changed their defence doctrine to suggest the weapons could be used “if we don’t get what we want”.
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President Biden has said he would not support an Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear sites. He is the only one likely to have any sway over what Netanyahu does next.
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Israeli hawks could urge Netanyahu to strike as Israel did previously in Iraq and Syria by bombing their nuclear facilities.

Analysts say hitting Iran’s enrichment facilities in mountainous regions of Natanz and Fordow could be “challenging” and have limited results.
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The Times'