Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[ipswichpies]

i forgot where i said that the US is going to invade iran... and when I said the US was unbeatable.

Go back and read your post you most certainly did assert that if Iran damaged Israel to severely that the USA would invade Iran, the whole subtext of your post was that Israel and the US together were unbeatable and this is no longer the case.

Israel is losing soldiers left right and centre to Hezbollah and also getting ambushed by Hamas in Gaza,I have already explained why Israel.s attack on Iran was such a failure that they pulled out after less than 1 wave when they planned for a month and hoped to demolish Iran and that is what they were telling everyone.

 

[ipswichpies]

yeh i've seen a lot of people with their arms up.... i think that i saw a couple with that uk govt conversation with that doctor. The person in charge of that committee says that she was aghast... i think the israelis will lay down their weapons in response

You are not very good at sarcasm Mark so I would not attempt it if I were you.

 

[ipswichpies]

They did hold a vote.
Putin won with 100% support.

Puttin and Russia are also having no problems gaining new recruits to the Russian armed forces unlike us in the west where all our armed forces are shrinking at an alarming rate.

 

[Markfs]

Go back and read your post you most certainly did assert that if Iran damaged Israel to severely that the USA would invade Iran, the whole subtext of your post was that Israel and the US together were unbeatable and this is no longer the case.

Israel is losing soldiers left right and centre to Hezbollah and also getting ambushed by Hamas in Gaza,I have already explained why Israel.s attack on Iran was such a failure that they pulled out after less than 1 wave when they planned for a month and hoped to demolish Iran and that is what they were telling everyone.

i think if iran tries to attack israel, the US will come in an defend it.... it's not about invading iran.

 

[Markfs]

You are not very good at sarcasm Mark so I would not attempt it if I were you.

Were you giving me advice in a previous thread? There's a familiar ring to your post.

If i were you, I wouldnt give me advice....hopefully you're irish and can understand that.

 

[Markfs]

Israel is losing soldiers left right and centre to Hezbollah and also getting ambushed by Hamas in Gaza,

Have you got anything that supports that? I just had a look and most of the figures are old. Reportedly 300 IDF have been killed in Gaza but that was a few months ago. Significant but less than 100,000....

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Do you know the reason they bomb them mercilessly is because they are not capable of fighting them on the ground it is as simple as that. The UN should suspend Israel forthwith how can you have a member nation attacking UN peacekeepers it is ludicrous to allow them to do this,I know US,UK and France are permanent members of the UN security counsel and can veto at any time they wish.

I do not think there is any doubt that US and UK and to a lesser extent France have and are supporting genocide in Gaza and US and UK are in full support of Israel in Lebanon but if this is forced to a vote it would show these govt,s for what they are which is complicit in every way.

When Oct 7 happened I said ATT that Israel would take advantage of that to cleanse Gaza and then the West Bank but even I did not think they would be so brazen about it. When I started posting about this in the magpies nest I was shouted down by a large number of Zionists but as Markfs noted they are no longer here and how could they be when they have been so blanket in their support of Israel.

I will say something else which probably not many will agree with but if we look in 12mths time I may be proven correct and that Iran will finish Israel as a Zionist state either that or Israel will be finished entirely. Iran showed who was higher on the escalation ladder with their last attacks on each other the only way the Israeli.s can get back on top is by using Nuclear warheads but that will lead to the end of us all but if it keeps Netanyahu out of jail he may do this.

No they are not incapable of fighting your heroes on the ground.
They simply do it to minimize their own casualties while maximizing yours.

Those promoting Israel as cowards and weak, and suggesting that they can be beaten militarily are not helping.
Its not particularly not helping the non-combatants in Lebanon.
Waging war against Israel from Lebanon, is the worst thing for Lebanese people.
Its ruined Lebanon.
If Palestinians didn't move the PLO, and Hezbollah to Lebanon, Lebanon would be nice.
They are like the Mafia but worse. ( the Mafia didn't shit in their own back yard ).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Have you got anything that supports that? I just had a look and most of the figures are old. Reportedly 300 IDF have been killed in Gaza but that was a few months ago. Significant but less than 100,000....

There is Israeli coolaid. But that guy prefers the Iranian Islammic stuff.

 

[Present Not Past]

Puttin and Russia are also having no problems gaining new recruits to the Russian armed forces unlike us in the west where all our armed forces are shrinking at an alarming rate.

300,00 Russians drafted in 2022. Now all dead
10,000 North Koreans sent to Russia in 2024.
All soon to be dead.
Not looking good.
And then there's all of P'Jerkoff's casualties.

 

[ipswichpies]

i think if iran tries to attack israel, the US will come in an defend it.... it's not about invading iran.

Did you not see what Iran did the last time it attacked Israel and the much vaunted Iron Dome air defence,let me ask you do you wonder why the US sent 3 thadd missile air defence systems. I wonder if it is because the Iron Dome is not working,Houtis,Hezbollah are sending rockets and missiles at Israel on a daily basis and even with 3 thadd rocket batteries they are having no effect. Netanyahu now sleeps in an underground bunker these days,I bet he wishes he was with his son in Miami.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Did you not see what Iran did the last time it attacked Israel and the much vaunted Iron Dome air defence,let me ask you do you wonder why the US sent 3 thadd missile air defence systems. I wonder if it is because the Iron Dome is not working,Houtis,Hezbollah are sending rockets and missiles at Israel on a daily basis and even with 3 thadd rocket batteries they are having no effect. Netanyahu now sleeps in an underground bunker these days,I bet he wishes he was with his son in Miami.

You're a loony.

 

[ipswichpies]

No they are not incapable of fighting your heroes on the ground.
They simply do it to minimize their own casualties while maximizing yours.

Those promoting Israel as cowards and weak, and suggesting that they can be beaten militarily are not helping.
Its not particularly not helping the non-combatants in Lebanon.
Waging war against Israel from Lebanon, is the worst thing for Lebanese people.
Its ruined Lebanon.
If Palestinians didn't move the PLO, and Hezbollah to Lebanon, Lebanon would be nice.
They are like the Mafia but worse. ( the Mafia didn't shit in their own back yard ).

Is this the best argument you can come up with this and the Iranian coolaid comment,I do not think Israel helps their own cause to not be thought of as cowards when their actions show exactly what they are and their modus operandi is.

The Israeli,s started their ground offensive 6 weeks ago and are getting their arse.s handed to them on a daily basis why do think Galant was made a scapegoat by Bibi and why Bibi now sleeps in an underground bunker. Contrast this with Sinwar who was fighting alongside his men when the Israeli,s killed him and he was still throwing sticks at the drone because he had no more bullets but certainly no sign of cowardice on his part.

Hezbollah were not moved to Lebanon they are a home grown army of resistance which sprung up when the Maronite Christians were allowed by former prime minister Sharon into the refugee camps and slaughtered 3000 old men women and children in 1982 probably this is where those brave Israeli,s got their idea of genecide in Gaza from. Israel is ruining Lebanon just like they are in Gaza and then audacity to lecture me about how brave the Israeli,s are.

 

[ipswichpies]

You're a loony.

Pathetic,just like your arguments are.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Is this the best argument you can come up with this and the Iranian coolaid comment,I do not think Israel helps their own cause to not be thought of as cowards when their actions show exactly what they are and their modus operandi is.

The Israeli,s started their ground offensive 6 weeks ago and are getting their arse.s handed to them on a daily basis why do think Galant was made a scapegoat by Bibi and why Bibi now sleeps in an underground bunker. Contrast this with Sinwar who was fighting alongside his men when the Israeli,s killed him and he was still throwing sticks at the drone because he had no more bullets but certainly no sign of cowardice on his part.

Hezbollah were not moved to Lebanon they are a home grown army of resistance which sprung up when the Maronite Christians were allowed by former prime minister Sharon into the refugee camps and slaughtered 3000 old men women and children in 1982 probably this is where those brave Israeli,s got their idea of genecide in Gaza from. Israel is ruining Lebanon just like they are in Gaza and then audacity to lecture me about how brave the Israeli,s are.

Its not a bravery contest.

Palestinians will not win by being "brave "

 

[Markfs]

Did you not see what Iran did the last time it attacked Israel and the much vaunted Iron Dome air defence,let me ask you do you wonder why the US sent 3 thadd missile air defence systems. I wonder if it is because the Iron Dome is not working,Houtis,Hezbollah are sending rockets and missiles at Israel on a daily basis and even with 3 thadd rocket batteries they are having no effect. Netanyahu now sleeps in an underground bunker these days,I bet he wishes he was with his son in Miami.

i must admit. I did see the massive destruction of tel aviv and the bodies lying in the morgues

 

[ipswichpies]

Were you giving me advice in a previous thread? There's a familiar ring to your post.

If i were you, I wouldnt give me advice....hopefully you're irish and can understand that.

I am just pointing out the stupidity of some of your arguments you used to be much better at making your points mate you need some advice and for the life of me I cannot understand your little jibe about whether i am Irish or not as Manuel said "QUE".

 

[ipswichpies]

Its not a bravery contest.

Palestinians will not win by being "brave "

What you do not understand is that Hamas are already winning because Netanyahu and the IDF have thrown everything including the kitchen sink and here we are 14 mths later and nearly everybody in the world thinks 2 state solution is the way to stop it. Israel has lost so much credibility in the world that it take at least 3 generations to recover it and Israel no longer has time to do this.

 

[Markfs]

What you do not understand is that Hamas are already winning because Netanyahu and the IDF have thrown everything including the kitchen sink and here we are 14 mths later and nearly everybody in the world thinks 2 state solution is the way to stop it. Israel has lost so much credibility in the world that it take at least 3 generations to recover it and Israel no longer has time to do this.

your skills are wasted on here ippy...

 

[Markfs]

Antony Blinken is reportedly going to leave his job and take up a job as a stand-up comedian....but the israelis want him to come back to provide the israeli leadership with more "stress relief"...

‘Time to end the Gaza war’, Blinken says, after US-imposed deadline for aid expires​

On Tuesday after a 30-day US deadline expired for Israel to take steps to address the humanitarian situation in Gaza, Washington said Israel was not blocking aid to Gaza and, therefore, was not violating US law.​

 

[Markfs]

Mike Huckabee has evidently said on radio that he'd like to see israel annex the west bank..... preparing the way for the trump-bibi love-fest

 

[Thistle]

So the US issued Israel with a letter of ultimatum to allow more aid into Gaza.

The US acknowledges that Israel has failed in doing this.

So as a result the US has decided it will not enforce any consequence.

America has been humiliated by the Biden administration for the world to see. And they wonder why millions didn't want to vote for them.

 

[Saint]

Another day, another Israeli media report telling the truth that the western media wouldn't dare tell.

Israeli hostage's father: 'We're second-class citizens in a fascist country'

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Saint]

No they are not incapable of fighting your heroes on the ground.
They simply do it to minimize their own casualties while maximizing yours.

Those promoting Israel as cowards and weak, and suggesting that they can be beaten militarily are not helping.
Its not particularly not helping the non-combatants in Lebanon.
Waging war against Israel from Lebanon, is the worst thing for Lebanese people.
Its ruined Lebanon.
If Palestinians didn't move the PLO, and Hezbollah to Lebanon, Lebanon would be nice.
They are like the Mafia but worse. ( the Mafia didn't shit in their own back yard ).

Ummm, I think you're missing (ignorantly or deliberately?) who moved the Palestinians into Lebanon.

If you expel people into a neighbouring property, you can't then complain when those people fight you from where you moved them to. The PLO and Hezbollah were founded as a response to Israel. Israel aren't the victims in that fight, ever.

 

[Saint]

Did you not see what Iran did the last time it attacked Israel and the much vaunted Iron Dome air defence,let me ask you do you wonder why the US sent 3 thadd missile air defence systems. I wonder if it is because the Iron Dome is not working,Houtis,Hezbollah are sending rockets and missiles at Israel on a daily basis and even with 3 thadd rocket batteries they are having no effect. Netanyahu now sleeps in an underground bunker these days,I bet he wishes he was with his son in Miami.

The Iron Dome was built for mid and short-range rockets. It is struggling against drones (but they're developing alternative counter-measures) and it's proven useless against the High altitude Iranian missiles.

Each THAAD only has eight missiles, and they're spread across the country with only a 200km operating range.

So Iran just needs to pick a target with only one THAAD defence, and every missile more than 8 which they fire will get through and that's assuming a 100% success rate from the THAAD battery, which is unlikely.

Nevatim/Dimona has had a THAAD for a while, they just don't talk about it much. If Israel had struck at Iran's nuclear facility, this is where the Iranians would strike.x

Israel's relatively impotent last attack on Iran showed they didn't want to escalate to oil or nuclear targets. If I was Iran, now that Israel is politically isolated, I would be attacking their port facilities, specifically their petrol import facilities. The US can supply munitions all sorts of ways, but providing fuel through damaged infrastructure is very difficult.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Ummm, I think you're missing (ignorantly or deliberately?) who moved the Palestinians into Lebanon.

If you expel people into a neighbouring property, you can't then complain when those people fight you from where you moved them to. The PLO and Hezbollah were founded as a response to Israel. Israel aren't the victims in that fight, ever.

I didn't suggest for one minute Israel were the victims.
Non combatants in Lebanon are the victims.