Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

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and some have the gall to say it’s not genocide.

 

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an illustration of how complicit the yanks are in enabling the genocide. and its successive administrations. without their billions in aid, provision of weapons and being an arm of the regimes, israel would not have the where-withall to have committed decades of brutal occupation and now the murder of a people largely unable to protect themselves and abandoned by the rest of us - including australia.

 

[Markfs]

bernie is just so right. private donations/funding of pollies is the root of so many matters. aipac and their sister organisations around the world are a pox on democracy. through cultivating via bribes and trips, threatening, and intimidating the weak and selfish, they have control of the narrative. but how piss weak are those who see evil and do nothing to stop it. bernie is a star. not far behind him is jon.

The people that I always look at are the great unwashed, who form their opinions on a 30 second commercial on tv, or dont even bother and concerns themselves with married at first root and where the next beer is coming from. You could argue that we are all part of the great unwashed and if some baby gets shot in the head half a world away, then we cant do much about it, so we might as well get pissed and worry about that next investment house. Piss weak or self interest?

I'd love to see people at least use democracy for interests of their children. I dont see much of that.

 

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Mike Huckabee will allow the israelis to push for the final solution to its ultimate ending. Trump is a businessman who comes from NY. His daddy would have educated him about the population who runs that city. This next four years is just an extension. The philosophy will be give them what they want but extract your pound of flesh. Trump has billions but that isnt enough.

Huckabee is a different kind of animal. Evangelical zionist. There is a saying that evangelicals love israel but hate jews. It seems contradictory but you only have to read the predictions in the christian new testament to understand how that can be so (see below).

The attached article provides the scenario but I'll cut and paste it here for ease and because it is provided by a minister in the United Church in the USA.

"First of all, Israel will come to have complete reign of what they describe as “Greater Israel”: Gaza, West Bank, and beyond. Only Jews will inhabit the land of Jesus’ birth. All others will have either left-and been rendered nomadic; or stayed and been annihilated.

This purified state will then trigger the heavens to prepare Jesus to return, first to Jerusalem, there to battle any and all opposed to his reign, beginning with the Jews themselves, never minding that he himself was a peasant Jew by birth! Now, for God to be fair, anyone who then sincerely converts will be “saved,” but only a predetermined percentage of Jews will qualify. Those who did not confess that “Jesus is Lord” will suffer the fate of all those deluded Palestinians, whom Israel had exiled.

Finally, this apocalypse will expand worldwide, with the true believers, Christian Zionists of course, and new believers, still standing, culminating in a new world order, under the returned reign of this eternal Jesus. What makes this sickeningly laughable is that Huckabee’s belief spells the extermination of the very people he now so lavishly praises. On the other hand, Jewish Zionists see an unguarded open gate to execute the genocide they have long hoped for, of Christians still left in Palestine, Muslims, et. al. (Note: there still are a few Samaritan villages to be erased)."

I have a feeling that Huckabee is more a judeo-christian adherent and appreciates the assistance of jewish people in his own career success. For their part, Israelis are well-versed in dealing with evangelicals like Mike, but when the line has to be drawn, it will be drawn on who are the chosen people. Whatever the outcome of the "negotiation" between huckabee and israel, the palestinians are finished. I doubt that you'll even read about them in the history books of tomorrow.

Guest columnist The Rev. Peter Kakos: Sound the alarm — Here comes ambassador Huckebee’s Christian Zionism

This is a warning: our new ambassador to Israel will be one-time presidential Republican candidate, Mike Huckabee, an avowed Christian Zionist, along with roughly 10 million other Americans. Once asked what he thought of an independent Palestinian...

www.gazettenet.com

 

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I see an Israeli prostate is undergoing surgery to have a cancerous 'Netanyahu' removed

Netanyahu to undergo prostate removal operation, court testimony delayed

Prime minister will undergo full anesthesia and remain hospitalized for several days

www.jpost.com

Treatment should be at any Hospital in Gaza

 

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I'm sometimes accused of having a one-sided view of this massacre, so I have brought an article to show the other side.

What about the soldier in the IDF who has to leave a wife and family to kill kids in gaza? It's tough work. And the job back home will need a ton of work after the killing stops...if it ever does. How many anal reaming episodes does a soldier have to do before they can go home. How many doctors and journalists do they have to gun down? How many palestinians do they have to humiliate? It's tiring work.

Israel's war-weary reservists look for an end to fighting

Under the burden of military service, some reservists are refusing to return to Israel's front lines.

www.bbc.com

 

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With the passing of former US President Jimmy Carter I think it would be remiss to not recognise the role he played, both during and after his Presidency in an effort to create peace in the Middle East.

This didn't end with the ground breaking 1979 Camp David Accords...


But continued long after he left the Presidency at the relatively young age of 57. This is his 2006 letter to the American Jewish community on “Palestine Peace … Not Apartheid”.

Jimmy Carter Issues Letter to Jewish Community on Palestine Peace Not Apartheid

During my recent book tour I signed more than 10,000 books and was interviewed on 100 news media outlets.* The high point for me was a meeting with leaders of the Board of Rabbis of Greater Phoenix, who announced before my arrival that they would demonstrate against my book.

www.cartercenter.org

 

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With the passing of former US President Jimmy Carter I think it would be remiss to not recognise the role he played, both during and after his Presidency in an effort to create peace in the Middle East.

This didn't end with the ground breaking 1979 Camp David Accords...

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But continued long after he left the Presidency at the relatively young age of 57. This is his 2006 letter to the American Jewish community on “Palestine Peace … Not Apartheid”.

Jimmy Carter Issues Letter to Jewish Community on Palestine Peace Not Apartheid

During my recent book tour I signed more than 10,000 books and was interviewed on 100 news media outlets.* The high point for me was a meeting with leaders of the Board of Rabbis of Greater Phoenix, who announced before my arrival that they would demonstrate against my book.

www.cartercenter.org

yep, but along with successive presidents, he continued massive funding of israel, without which it could not have continued with the occupation and mistreatment of palestinians.

 

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if you only read the bilge from the diarrhea factory, you’d be hard-pressed to know the real story.



or of this horrific information

 

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insidious aipac at work. just a few examples.

 

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I sympathise with broadcasters trying to provide balanced material on a conflict. I always thought that the BBC did a good job in most situations, although I think less of it in the last year regarding gaza.

There's been a lot of controversy about Raffi Berg who controls the BBC coverage of the middle east. Many bbc people both present and past, have complained about his bias towards Israel. Several have noted that he is jewish. I think that's important but it also misses the point that the bbc hierarchy supports a pro-israel position.

I just think about the long tradition of the BBC and how it is being trashed by some of its internal people in the interests of israel, but you could say the same about a lot of major news broadcasters across the planet.

The BBC's Civil War Over Gaza

The BBC is facing an internal revolt over its reporting on Israel’s war on Gaza. Owen Jones investigates.

www.dropsitenews.com

 

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It seems that the main problem with Eric Adams is that he had ties to foreign interests. I like the US attitude of "do as i say, not what I do"...And bringing charges of corruption against US representatives is laughable in the insider-trading world that they live in....

 

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Are those media people upset with AIPAC for representing the interests of its members? I never understand why people are so irate. They also appear to get irate about criminals seeking positions in government. Or that they take money from organisations that really dont care what happens in the US as long as it funds israel.

Of the 7.6m jews living in the US, 3 million are members of AIPAC. I wouldnt think jewish babies are members. I probably wouldnt think that members of a family would independently become members....... so to me.....that appears to be a high proportion of jewish americans who like and support what AIPAC is doing....and AIPAC responds by continuing to do what it does.

Rocket science?

 

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yep, but along with successive presidents, he continued massive funding of israel, without which it could not have continued with the occupation and mistreatment of palestinians.

That's a serious misrepresentation of the facts and context of that time.

You completely downplay the impact of the Yom Kippur War of 1973, started by the surprise invasion of Israel by Egyptian and Syrian forces, between Israel and its Arab enemies, which occurred just three years before Carter came to power. There was still no peace deal between the three countries when Carter assumed the Presidency, and although its army and airforce had been decimated Israel still occupied a significant chunk of Egyptian territory. By 1976 the Middle East was still on a knifes edge with the Soviet Union providing significant military backing to Syria and Egypt.

What Carter did was nothing more than historical and significant in the context of the time. Begin and Sadat reached a historic agreement: Israel would withdraw from the entire Sinai Peninsula; the U.S. would establish monitoring posts to ensure that neither side attacked the other; Israel and Egypt would recognise each other's governments and sign a peace treaty; and Israel pledged to negotiate with the Palestinians for peace.

The pledge top fund the rebuilding of the Israeli defence force was a critical part of that agreement and was made with the full support of the US congress and with the agreement of Sadat.

Begin made several concessions to Carter, including agreeing to the principle of Egyptian sovereignty over the entire Sinai, and complete Israeli withdrawal from all military facilities and settlements. In return, Carter agreed to provide Israel with funds to rebuild Israeli military bases in the Negev Desert.

Looking back on this historic agreement from almost half a century ago, completely disregarding the historical context in which it was made and dissing it because of decisions made by other governments, not just in the US but in the Middle East, in the decades subsequent is just lazy posturing.

 

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This dropped into my view. It's a fascinating travelogue of two palestinian guys walking around jerusalem. One is a tour guide so he has certain freedoms. Skip the first 10 minutes because from then they get into the jewish sector. Its more than two different religions. Its a middle east culture vs a european culture.....

 

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This happened in my home town. I'm sick of our elected officials feeling the need to protect these baby killers. I pay taxes for our police force to stop crime. These tourists dont. If they dont feel safe, dont come. Simple as that. Israelis kill babies. I couldnt care less what religion they choose to rationalise their murders. The ridiculous logic of these serial victims is that people like myself condemn them for being jewish and not for their genocidal behaviour, as if people wouldnt complain if they were christian and were defending themselves. What a load of crap. The same old victim arguments.

Read the last paragraph in the article to find out Sophie's choice. She made the wrong one this time but hopefully she has learnt her lesson.

Anyway, L'shanah tovah umtukah, especially to the israeli supporters out there who read and plot...

Jewish tourist: I was harassed in Perth over Star of David sticker, called 'child killer'

Jewish tourists claim that they were verbally harassed in Perth because of a Star of David sticker on her phone case, while a Palestinian man claims he was insulted by them first.

www.jpost.com

 

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But of course a substantial proportion of Jews are disgusted by the Israeli govt right now

 

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Times of Israel spruiking a poll that says the majority of israelis support the end of the gaza war in return for the hostages.

No word about the future of gaza and the open-air prison if it is allowed to exist
No mention of palestinians held
No mention that when you are polling israelis, you are polling those of palestinian descent who have quarantined representation in the parliament.

But yes, there are israelis who want to see the murder of children end if they get the hostages back

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-majority-of-israelis-support-deal-ending-gaza-war-for-release-of-all-hostages/

 

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The Unseen Battle for Food in Gaza

"We are not only suffering from bombs, starvation is used as a weapon against Gazans."

inthesetimes.com

 

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That's a serious misrepresentation of the facts and context of that time.

You completely downplay the impact of the Yom Kippur War of 1973, started by the surprise invasion of Israel by Egyptian and Syrian forces, between Israel and its Arab enemies, which occurred just three years before Carter came to power. There was still no peace deal between the three countries when Carter assumed the Presidency, and although its army and airforce had been decimated Israel still occupied a significant chunk of Egyptian territory. By 1976 the Middle East was still on a knifes edge with the Soviet Union providing significant military backing to Syria and Egypt.

What Carter did was nothing more than historical and significant in the context of the time. Begin and Sadat reached a historic agreement: Israel would withdraw from the entire Sinai Peninsula; the U.S. would establish monitoring posts to ensure that neither side attacked the other; Israel and Egypt would recognise each other's governments and sign a peace treaty; and Israel pledged to negotiate with the Palestinians for peace.

The pledge top fund the rebuilding of the Israeli defence force was a critical part of that agreement and was made with the full support of the US congress and with the agreement of Sadat.

Begin made several concessions to Carter, including agreeing to the principle of Egyptian sovereignty over the entire Sinai, and complete Israeli withdrawal from all military facilities and settlements. In return, Carter agreed to provide Israel with funds to rebuild Israeli military bases in the Negev Desert.

Looking back on this historic agreement from almost half a century ago, completely disregarding the historical context in which it was made and dissing it because of decisions made by other governments, not just in the US but in the Middle East, in the decades subsequent is just lazy posturing.

thanks for the intemperate response. carter played a useful part in many positive measures on middle east matters during his presidency. and unlike other presidents, displayed an understanding of the occupation and the plight of the palestinians and in so doing attempted to create a better future for them. but it was after he left office that he spoke out and when he grew increasingly critical of israel.

what he did not do as president was take the most telling measure he could have and that was stop funding the israel regime. in fact, during his time as president, which ran from jan 20, 1977 to jan 20 1981, the funding of the israeli occupation increased. that was my point.

Total US Aid to Israel By Decades
Fiscal Year $ Millions, Current Percent Military
1949-1959 652.9 .06
1960-1969 834.8 30
1970-1979 16,309.2 71
1980-1989 28,052.3 56

 

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that was my point.

And your point is still wrong because it's looking backwards through a 21st Century prism that completely ignores historical context of events surrounding his mid seventies Cold War Presidency.

That he was a one term US President having to deal with the political reality of the aftermath of 1973 Yom Kippur War where Arab States led by superior Syrian and Egypt forces backed by Russia mounted a surprise attack on Israel on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur.

That his actions in supporting Israel had overwhelming public support across America and universal support amongst its NATO allies. And that his actions in brokering a peace deal between Egypt and Israel was and still is unprecedented in that context.

 

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And your point is still wrong because it ignores historical context of events surrounding his Presidency.

That he was a one term US President having to deal with the political reality of the aftermath of 1973 Yom Kippur War where Arab States led by superior Syrian and Egypt forces backed by Russia mounted a surprise attack on Israel on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur.

Those sneaky arabs....against such a moral country

 

[Markfs]

thanks for the intemperate response. carter played a useful part in many positive measures on middle east matters during his presidency. and unlike other presidents, displayed an understanding of the occupation and the plight of the palestinians and in so doing attempted to create a better future for them. but it was after he left office that he spoke out and when he grew increasingly critical of israel.

what he did not do as president was take the most telling measure he could have and that was stop funding the israel regime. in fact, during his time as president, which ran from jan 20, 1977 to jan 20 1981, the funding of the israeli occupation increased. that was my point.

Total US Aid to Israel By Decades
Fiscal Year $ Millions, Current Percent Military
1949-1959 652.9 .06
1960-1969 834.8 30
1970-1979 16,309.2 71
1980-1989 28,052.3 56

I think circumstances were a little different then. I remember that Carter got increasingly critical of israel after he left office as the lobby took over in the US. In the late 70s, the lobby was just getting its claws in. I read that the US only appreciated the strategic advantage of israel after the 6 day war in 1967. We are a long way down the track since then.