Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack III

[Markfs]

Iran are also genocidal bad guys, look at their assistance with 'Russia' for example with Shaheed drones

who would you define as a "good guy"?

 

[Goosecat]

The war started in 1947 when proto-Israel instigated the Nakba. The only people who pretend this all only started on October 7 2023 are those who think Jewish people are inherently superior human beings to Arabs.

Bwahaha.
The ghosts of Ishmael and Isaac say hello!!

 

[Markfs]

Israel to world: The IDF has taken steps to preserve civilian life like no other in human history.
Israel to world: Hamas use human shields, that's why we have had to kill so many of them.
Israel to Israeli soldier: Use Palestinians as Human shields.

Now even US news are reporting the clear genocidal orders and intent.

Israeli soldier tells CBS News he was ordered to use Palestinians as human shields in Gaza

An Israeli soldier and a Palestinian boy tell CBS News they have personal experience of the IDF forcing civilians to check buildings for explosives.

www.cbsnews.com

we call it inoculation....

 

[Harlott]

Israel to world: The IDF has taken steps to preserve civilian life like no other in human history.
Israel to world: Hamas use human shields, that's why we have had to kill so many of them.
Israel to Israeli soldier: Use Palestinians as Human shields.

Now even US news are reporting the clear genocidal orders and intent.

Israeli soldier tells CBS News he was ordered to use Palestinians as human shields in Gaza

An Israeli soldier and a Palestinian boy tell CBS News they have personal experience of the IDF forcing civilians to check buildings for explosives.

www.cbsnews.com

There’s not a total buy in…

CBS Newsreader: Throughout the ‘war’ Hamas “has” used Palestinian civilians as human shields. Now there are “accusations” that “some” in the Israeli army have done as well.”

 

[Ghost Patrol]

There’s not a total buy in…

CBS Newsreader: Throughout the ‘war’ Hamas “has” used Palestinian civilians as human shields. Now there are “accusations” that “some” in the Israeli army have done as well.”

Israel has bombed tens of thousands of innocent humans, regardless of this 'shield' label.

 

[Harlott]

Israel has bombed tens of thousands of innocent humans, regardless of this 'shield' label.

Yes and these news services are treading lightly about it all.

 

[Markfs]

just a reminder, i was down the supermarket earlier and there is israeli fruit available to rot...

 

[Roylion]

Unfortunately we cant do a Cher and turn back time, but this would have been a far more just solution. Obviously didnt meet the zionists' requirements.

Well of course it didn't.

Traditionally over the past 1,900 years, Jews had dealt with changes to their status in European Christian (usually Catholic) countries, often for the worse (i.e persecution), by accepting their destiny with resignation. Sometimes they endured, sometimes they moved.

In the 19th century some Jews who had expected to participate as citizens in emerging new European nation states came to the realization that they needed to recreate their own group or national identity, (just like their European counterparts were in the process of doing) even though they were technically without a territory for that national identity.

As various European peoples were now defining themselves based on shared history, culture, tradition and shared ancestors, many Jews believed that they should do the same. The Zionist movement defined the Jews as a nation and advocated a Jewish national State, preferably based in the land that saw the origins of their history, culture and traditions.

As well as this new found European nationalism, a racist ideology had also taken root. This suggested that human beings were divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called races, which due to certain set physical characteristics, personality traits, intellect and morality were deemed to be either inferior or superior to other races.

These late 19th century ideas were combined with the concept of Social Darwinism where humanity, like animals, were subject to a law of natural selection. By the late 19th century the adoption of these principles suggested that some people’s advances in scientific research as advances in social concepts, leading in turn to brand so-called "inferior races " as having a scientific basis other than simply prejudice. These new ideas had the negative effect of hardening attitudes towards Jews in Europe, because if conversion to Christianity had previously allowed some acceptance of Jews into European society, 'Social Darwinism' allowed those hostile to Jews to argue that the nature of Jews had already been determined by race.

So the establishment of Zionism was largely a reaction to these new applications of blood, race and genetics as well as a new found European nationalism as described above. Like other nationalities struggling to emerge from domination and control by other nationalities, Zionism was also a political reaction in which the Jews (like many European peoples) were beginning to regard themselves as a people struggling for their own independent nation-state.

Theodor Herzl, one of the founders of Zionism, felt the the only way anti-semitism could truly be dealt with was to avoid it and the only way to do that was by the establishment of a Jewish national state somewhere in what they considered their ancestral homeland and to which they had strong historical cultural and religious ties. In particular Jerusalem was revered.

The desire for Jews in Europe and elsewhere to return to their ancestral homeland has been a central part of Jewish life for centuries, long before the the Zionist movement formalised it. "Return" was a recurring theme for generations of Jews, particularly in the Passover and Yom Kippur prayers, which traditionally concluded with "Next year in Jerusalem", and in the Amidah which was recited three times a day, while facing Jerusalem.

So it's obvious why early Zionists wanted their own nation-state in an area that they regarded as their traditional homeland.

If the above is too long for you, just read the parts in bold.

 

[ferball]

I live in Adelaide. And fair enough.

You told me that once ... that's why I picked it.

Most of the Jews who went to Israel left western countries to do it. Western countries were the historical sources of anti semitism too. The Jewish population of Europe has dropped by over half in 50 years. So effectively the anti semities in Europe are getting what they want. Kind of makes you wonder doesn't it ...

 

[ferball]

Unfortunately we cant do a Cher and turn back time, but this would have been a far more just solution. Obviously didnt meet the zionists' requirements.

Europe is still full of anti semites and white supremicists. there's no way they'd have accepted a Jewish state on "their" land. (ie IN Europe.)

 

[ferball]

B-2s can launch strikes direct from continental USA. They don’t need to be deployed to Diego Garcia to do this. This is just a posturing tactic.

They can launch strikes from Amberly AFB in Qld too.

 

[Markfs]

Europe is still full of anti semites and white supremicists. there's no way they'd have accepted a Jewish state on "their" land. (ie IN Europe.)

well i dont think you have to be antisemitic to not want jews to annex part of your country, but it would have been an "understandable" punishment to annex a bit of germany...

certainly more equitable than subdividing palestine..

 

[Markfs]

Well of course it didn't.

Traditionally over the past 1,900 years, Jews had dealt with changes to their status in European Christian (usually Catholic) countries, often for the worse (i.e persecution), by accepting their destiny with resignation. Sometimes they endured, sometimes they moved.

In the 19th century some Jews who had expected to participate as citizens in emerging new European nation states came to the realization that they needed to recreate their own group or national identity, (just like their European counterparts were in the process of doing) even though they were technically without a territory for that national identity.

As various European peoples were now defining themselves based on shared history, culture, tradition and shared ancestors, many Jews believed that they should do the same. The Zionist movement defined the Jews as a nation and advocated a Jewish national State, preferably based in the land that saw the origins of their history, culture and traditions.

As well as this new found European nationalism, a racist ideology had also taken root. This suggested that human beings were divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called races, which due to certain set physical characteristics, personality traits, intellect and morality were deemed to be either inferior or superior to other races.

These late 19th century ideas were combined with the concept of Social Darwinism where humanity, like animals, were subject to a law of natural selection. By the late 19th century the adoption of these principles suggested that some people’s advances in scientific research as advances in social concepts, leading in turn to brand so-called "inferior races " as having a scientific basis other than simply prejudice. These new ideas had the negative effect of hardening attitudes towards Jews in Europe, because if conversion to Christianity had previously allowed some acceptance of Jews into European society, 'Social Darwinism' allowed those hostile to Jews to argue that the nature of Jews had already been determined by race.

So the establishment of Zionism was largely a reaction to these new applications of blood, race and genetics as well as a new found European nationalism as described above. Like other nationalities struggling to emerge from domination and control by other nationalities, Zionism was also a political reaction in which the Jews (like many European peoples) were beginning to regard themselves as a people struggling for their own independent nation-state.

Theodor Herzl, one of the founders of Zionism, felt the the only way anti-semitism could truly be dealt with was to avoid it and the only way to do that was by the establishment of a Jewish national state somewhere in what they considered their ancestral homeland and to which they had strong historical cultural and religious ties. In particular Jerusalem was revered.

The desire for Jews in Europe and elsewhere to return to their ancestral homeland has been a central part of Jewish life for centuries, long before the the Zionist movement formalised it. "Return" was a recurring theme for generations of Jews, particularly in the Passover and Yom Kippur prayers, which traditionally concluded with "Next year in Jerusalem", and in the Amidah which was recited three times a day, while facing Jerusalem.

So it's obvious why early Zionists wanted their own nation-state in an area that they regarded as their traditional homeland.

If the above is too long for you, just read the parts in bold.

well thanks for the recommendation to read the bold....but it didnt say much about palestinians losing their status in the area that they were living in around 1948. ( I said it that way so you didnt have to put in a long-winded reply involving a discussion about the absence of a palestinian gov't at the time yada yada yada.....

You can ask SR on this....I'm not very sympathetic to the needs of zionists and their feeders.

In fact, preaching to me is a bit like telling an IDF sniper not to pull the trigger. But I thank you for your efforts.

 

[ferball]

well i dont think you have to be antisemitic to not want jews to annex part of your country, but it would have been an "understandable" punishment to annex a bit of germany...

certainly more equitable than subdividing palestine..

I mean the Europeans who weren't German, many of whom were at war with Germany during ww2.

 

[Markfs]

They can launch strikes from Amberly AFB in Qld too.

And they've annexed a section of the north-west cape near exmouth WA with a base there. In fact, they've got a submarine communication base there and it was illegal to stop your car when you drove underneath the big tower to get to the jetty at the tip of the point....and I say that from personal experience.

 

[Markfs]

I mean the Europeans who weren't German, many of whom were at war with Germany during ww2.

I think the point of the map on the last page is that russia and a lot of countries annexed bits and pieces of germany after the two wars....so why do donate a piece to the european jews for settlement?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Bwahaha.
The ghosts of Ishmael and Isaac say hello!!

Fairy tales aside, the Nakba is in living memory and justice hasn't been served for it.

 

[ferball]

I think the point of the map on the last page is that russia and a lot of countries annexed bits and pieces of germany after the two wars....so why do donate a piece to the european jews for settlement?

Because Europe is full of anti semites and white supremicists.

Russians are "native" Europeans (mostly.) So are most Jewish people after living there for generations but not everyone sees it that way.

 

[ferball]

And they've annexed a section of the north-west cape near exmouth WA with a base there. In fact, they've got a submarine communication base there and it was illegal to stop your car when you drove underneath the big tower to get to the jetty at the tip of the point....and I say that from personal experience.

Yes. I had a friend who went fishing about 1km off shore and said he could feel the energy in the air from the antenna array there, buzzing.

 

[Roylion]

well thanks for the recommendation to read the bold....but it didnt say much about palestinians losing their status in the area that they were living in around 1948

I wasn't addressing that. I was addressing your comment "Obviously didnt meet the zionists' requirements."

. ( I said it that way so you didnt have to put in a long-winded reply involving a discussion about the absence of a palestinian gov't at the time yada yada yada.....

I knew what I wrote would be too long and complicated for you. Hence the bolded parts.

You can ask SR on this....I'm not very sympathetic to the needs of zionists and their feeders.

I don't really care whether you are or not. I'm telling you why land in Europe "didnt meet the zionists' requirements."

In fact, preaching to me is a bit like telling an IDF sniper not to pull the trigger.

I'm not preaching to you. I'm explaining it to you. Addressing the comment you made. Clearly you can't tell the difference.

But I thank you for your efforts.

Yeah sure.

 

[sr36]

I mean the Europeans who weren't German, many of whom were at war with Germany during ww2.

Yep. Fascism as a political movement and racial theory was Europe wide. It was only the military expansion that caused conflict between Germany and the rest of Europe.

 

[Markfs]

it seems that the US wants greenland so denmark and greenland will have to think of a price.....maybe australia should put in an offer on new zealand....although we could save a lot of visa money if we made an offer on bali...the options are endless in the current environment. I think the israelis started the trend with the promised land scenario....

 

[tazaa]

The question is....

Do you know why Israel was created? To give a haven or a piece of land where the Jews can live without being persecuted by other religious groups.

There is a saying amongst Palestinians that have been displaced going back to the Nakba, and still to this day it’s used when settlers from Brooklyn and Sydney steal their land.

Translated from Arabic it’s “they took it furnished”.
Homes as they stood basically taken away.

And to this day those displaced still carry keys to homes that Israelis have been living in for decades.
Villages have been renamed in Hebrew and Palestinians do all they can to document every town that’s erased and every family line that has been wiped out.

There is no greater evil to exist than the Zionist Israeli state.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

With every passing day I wish for worse and worse consequences to visit themselves upon Israel and the United States should they stay their present course. Nation-ending consequences.