Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

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Biden Says Military Assistance Is on Its Way to Israel (Published 2023)

Israel has asked for “additional assistance,” according to Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken.

www.nytimes.com

The US has answered the Israeli call for help, Australia should too.
We use the same type as ammo as them so shipping over 5.56mm & 12.7mm will help.
Australian lead in terrorists who murder & kidnap innocent people is a good investment.

 

[Jeremias]

Why should it be coloured at all? Not our mess.

Is this a serious question?

I wonder whether you posted such a query when it was coloured blue and yellow in support of Ukraine.

 

[beez]

if the opera house was lit up in palestinian colours...wow, just wow.

Maybe if more people didn't conflate Hamas with the Palestinian flag the West wouldn't be so ignorant of the conflict.

 

[burge13]

Is this a serious question?

I wonder whether you posted such a query when it was coloured blue and yellow in support of Ukraine.

Which as we have seen stopped Russia in it's tracks!

 

[radiojake]

Is this a serious question?

I wonder whether you posted such a query when it was coloured blue and yellow in support of Ukraine.

that you compared the pair in such a way is actually funny


but i just had a look and didn't realise how often the Opera House lights up its sails for various reasons - so it's not completely unprecedented like I initially assumed, but it is still on the nose in my opinion

 

[Thrawn]

Is this a serious question?

I wonder whether you posted such a query when it was coloured blue and yellow in support of Ukraine.

Yeah, it is.

Not out f'ing problem, considering both sides have done heinous things to each other, I don't think we should be taking sides.

Token gesture that does absolutely nothing.

 

[Jeremias]

that you compared the pair in such a way is actually funny

Nothing about this situation is funny. It's a bit sad one could think there is.

Yeah, it is.

No. It surely cannot be.

And I'll answer my own question here; no you didn't seem to post anything about the Opera House being lit up in blue and yellow in support of Ukraine.

I wonder why.

 

[evo]

The ol Two State Solution is not going great for one of the states, eh.

 

[evo]

Geech. Watched a brief video of the music festival on X. (not posing it here, its graphic)

One innocent guy, clearly blooded getting taken away and kidnapped and another just hiding. lying near the boot of a car, scared and threat to no one. Hamas w***er goes up to him and shots him, just like that.

Tough to watch. I really do feel for the innocent Palestinians who are about to get caught in the cross fire, but the next time someone celebrates this act, get them to watch this 10 sec clip.

As someone said, this is a own goal by Hamas. They dont care for Palestine. All they care about is killing. They deserve what is coming to them. I just regret the innocent life which will get caught in the crossfire.

As for Iran.....they can go to hell and back.

Own goal is an understatement. As far as optics go, this is one of the worst of all time.

 

[Bloods86]

Nothing about this situation is funny. It's a bit sad one could think there is.


No. It surely cannot be.

And I'll answer my own question here; no you didn't seem to post anything about the Opera House being lit up in blue and yellow in support of Ukraine.

I wonder why.

Personally I don't really care about the Opera House's colours.

But... you're being wilfully ignorant here.

Ukraine was invaded unprovoked by Russia, who is committing war crimes on Ukrainian territory, against civilians. Ukraine does not have a comparable history of inflicting misery on Russian civilians or attacking the Russian military.

Israel (the state) and various Palestinian bodies have been fighting, committing war crimes against each other for many decades. There is a significant power imbalance which Israel uses in ways that create misery for Palestinians. Even if you believe Israel never targets civilians directly with strikes, they certainly do via legislation, land grabs, policing, infrastructure attacks and restrictions, movement restrictions. You could argue that the attacks on military installations were provoked.

If Israel's colours are to be shown, there's no reason why Palestinian colours (not equated with Hamas) should not also be shown. People of both, have been subject to war crimes and human rights abuses, and deserve our sympathy.

 

[Saint]

Personally I don't really care about the Opera House's colours.

But... you're being wilfully ignorant here.

Ukraine was invaded unprovoked by Russia, who is committing war crimes on Ukrainian territory, against civilians.

Israel (the state) and various Palestinian bodies have been fighting, committing war crimes against each other for many decades. There is a significant power imbalance which Israel uses in ways that create misery for Palestinians. Even if you believe Israel never targets civilians directly with strikes, they certainly do via legislation, land grabs, policing, infrastructure attacks and restrictions, movement restrictions.

If Israel's colours are to be shown, there's no reason why Palestinian colours should not also be shown. People of both, have been subject to war crimes and human rights abuses, and deserve our sympathy.

Well, probably not the right week to fly the Palestinian flag, but there's been plenty of other opportunities overlooked to do that.

I'm all for a sign of solidarity with the victim. But Australia runs the risk of flying the Israeli flag while Israel commits war-crimes against Palestinian Civilians as an act of retribution.

Should consider a sign of mourning, but not if the IDF are killing more civilians than Hamas did.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Kids are dying.

'Save the Children has warned children will bear a disproportionate, long-lasting impact from the intensifying conflict in Israel and Gaza.

At least 700 Israelis and 413 Palestinians have been killed since Saturday, including at least 78 children in Gaza. The number of children killed in Israel is so far unconfirmed.'

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Good old war monger Dutton wants more dead bodies.

‘Utterly the wrong time’ to call for Israel to show restraint, Dutton says in response to Wong’s comments

 

[Pommie Docker]

Personally I don't really care about the Opera House's colours.

But... you're being wilfully ignorant here.

Ukraine was invaded unprovoked by Russia, who is committing war crimes on Ukrainian territory, against civilians. Ukraine does not have a comparable history of inflicting misery on Russian civilians or attacking the Russian military.

Israel (the state) and various Palestinian bodies have been fighting, committing war crimes against each other for many decades. There is a significant power imbalance which Israel uses in ways that create misery for Palestinians. Even if you believe Israel never targets civilians directly with strikes, they certainly do via legislation, land grabs, policing, infrastructure attacks and restrictions, movement restrictions. You could argue that the attacks on military installations were provoked.

If Israel's colours are to be shown, there's no reason why Palestinian colours (not equated with Hamas) should not also be shown. People of both, have been subject to war crimes and human rights abuses, and deserve our sympathy.

I will assume you haven't researched or seen the extent or depth of what has happened. This is on a different level to anything we have ever seen.

We talking kids beheaded, tapings and cold blooded executions of civilians. These aren't the casualties or innocent by-standers of an ongoing conflict, they were the target.

This just isn't the time for a but the otherside. It's perfectly possible to be critical of Israel and still show empathy and sorrow for what they have experienced in the past 48 hours

 

[Bloods86]

Well, probably not the right week to fly the Palestinian flag, but there's been plenty of other opportunities overlooked to do that.

I'm all for a sign of solidarity with the victim. But Australia runs the risk of flying the Israeli flag while Israel commits war-crimes against Palestinian Civilians as an act of retribution.

Should consider a sign of mourning, but not if the IDF are killing more civilians than Hamas did.

I just view it as, if you're going to show some symbol of support, you can do it for both Israeli and Palestinian victims (not that I'm saying either must or must not happen in regards to Opera House colours etc). If there's any concern over perceptions of sympathising with Hamas, then you can make an argument that it's showing solidarity with the Israeli state to show blue and white.

More responding to the bizarre Ukraine comparison as a gotcha. I guess if Ukraine crossed the border and started targeting civilians, doing ethnic cleansing, then it'd be more applicable.

 

[Bloods86]

I will assume you haven't researched or seen the extent or depth of what has happened. This is on a different level to anything we have ever seen.

We talking kids beheaded, tapings and cold blooded executions of civilians. These aren't the casualties or innocent by-standers of an ongoing conflict, they were the target.

This just isn't the time for a but the otherside. It's perfectly possible to be critical of Israel and still show empathy and sorrow for what they have experienced in the past 48 hours

You assume incorrectly. I'm under no illusion about what has happened. I was responding to comparisons with Ukraine, which are not relevant.

"It's perfectly possible to be critical of Israel and still show empathy and sorrow for what they have experienced in the past 48 hours"

Yes, I agree. Nothing I've said remotely contradicts this.

 

[Jeremias]

But... you're being wilfully ignorant here.

Not really. Just calling out blatant antisemitism when it rears it’s ugly head.

I’m well aware of the differences between the two conflicts. Appreciate the history lesson, but it wasn’t required.

If Israel's colours are to be shown, there's no reason why Palestinian colours (not equated with Hamas) should not also be shown. People of both, have been subject to war crimes and human rights abuses, and deserve our sympathy.

Yep, that’s the reason why people are objecting…

And you have the gall to call me ignorant!

 

[Bloods86]

Not really. Just calling out blatant antisemitism when it rears it’s ugly head.

I’m well aware of the differences between the two conflicts. Appreciate the history lesson, but it wasn’t required.

I think if you're going to make claims about "blatant antisemitism", you should have to back it up.

 

[Jeremias]

I think if you're going to make claims about "blatant antisemitism", you should have to back it up.

I did back it up.

I don’t believe for a second that there was no such objection to Ukraine for the reasons you do.

But you do you, obviously. Each to their own and all that.

 

[Bloods86]

I did back it up.

I don’t believe for a second that there was no such objection to Ukraine for the reasons you do.

But you do you, obviously. Each to their own and all that.

Maybe I haven't gone back far enough, but it seemed to me that people were calling out Israel (the state) and its actions, around the colours being on the Opera House, rather than anything related to anti-semitism (which would be targeting Jewish people for that fact). So if we're talking about the same conversation, no you didn't back it up.

 

[Jeremias]

Maybe I haven't gone back far enough, but it seemed to me that people were calling out Israel (the state) and its actions, around the colours being on the Opera House, rather than anything related to anti-semitism (which would be targeting Jewish people). So if we're talking about the same conversation, no you didn't back it up.

Wait a second. Please tell me you’re not suggesting the two aren’t seen as hand in hand?

Wow.

 

[FireKrakouer]

Backing a democracy that is under attack by a terrorist cell is a good call, go Albo!

 

[Bloods86]

Wait a second. Please tell me you’re not suggesting the two aren’t seen as hand in hand?

Wow.

I'm not sure your astonishment is justified.

Yes, some criticise and protest against Israel because of anti-semitism.

Some criticise and protest against Israel (the state) because the state legitimately deserves such criticism due to its actions

You're pointing to people talking about the latter, and saying, without proof, it must be the former.

I grew up in a very pro-Israel household (religious reasons), with (usually American) newsletters and "documentaries" about how Israel were the divinely supported, ultimate good guys in a very black and white fight with neighbours and Palestinians. I'm also aware that anti-semitism is very much alive. So I understand that any criticism can trigger strong reactions, but I just don't think you've made the connection.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Wait a second. Please tell me you’re not suggesting the two aren’t seen as hand in hand?

Wow.

Criticising the actions of the state of Israel is not automatically anti-semitism.

 

[Tall poppy Syndrome]

I need to read up more on it all to get a fully informed view on it.

My overarching knowledge is creating a Jewish state where they did after WWII wasn’t the smartest idea and was unlikely to end well.

There was actually a proposal in the 40s to set up a Jewish homeland in the Kimberley.

Actually had quite a lot of support from the WA government and local trade unions. Was ultimately blocked by the Commonwealth. And who knows how much appeal it would’ve had to displaced Jews at the end of WW2, no historical connection obviously.

No doubt would’ve run into issues with potential displacement of indigenous peoples etc, though back then maybe not?

Fascinating thought experiment. It’s a really harsh environment up there but an Israeli state of maybe a few million people in NW Australia certainly would’ve changed history.

Would’ve changed our strategic environment as well. You could only imagine a powerful local Israel state would give any regional aggressor something to think about (though it wouldn’t have had the same ‘surrounded by enemies’ mentality to drive its military development I guess).

I reckon this Israel in the Kimberley would’ve incorporated a lot of local culture too- Aussie Rules would’ve been pretty big and they’d be hosting a couple of teams in the expanded AIFL (Australian Israeli Football League).