Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

[Aristotle Pickett]

The Pope has called for restraint. Is Dutton going to go after the Pope now?

 

[Smeg Head]

There was actually a proposal in the 40s to set up a Jewish homeland in the Kimberley.

Actually had quite a lot of support from the WA government and local trade unions. Was ultimately blocked by the Commonwealth. And who knows how much appeal it would’ve had to displaced Jews at the end of WW2, no historical connection obviously.

No doubt would’ve run into issues with potential displacement of indigenous peoples etc, though back then maybe not?

Fascinating thought experiment. It’s a really harsh environment up there but an Israeli state of maybe a few million people in NW Australia certainly would’ve changed history.

Would’ve changed our strategic environment as well. You could only imagine a powerful local Israel state would give any regional aggressor something to think about (though it wouldn’t have had the same ‘surrounded by enemies’ mentality to drive its military development I guess).

I reckon this Israel in the Kimberley would’ve incorporated a lot of local culture too- Aussie Rules would’ve been pretty big and they’d be hosting a couple of teams in the expanded AIFL (Australian Israeli Football League).

Reminds me of a reverse climate Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the Soviet Union.

 

[Jeremias]

I'm not sure your astonishment is justified.

Yes, some criticise and protest against Israel because of anti-semitism.

Some criticise and protest against Israel (the state) because the state legitimately deserves such criticism due to its actions

You're pointing to people talking about the latter, and saying, without proof, it must be the former.

I grew up in a very pro-Israel household (religious reasons), with (usually American) newsletters and "documentaries" about how Israel were the divinely supported, ultimate good guys in a very black and white fight with neighbours and Palestinians. I'm also aware that anti-semitism is very much alive. So I understand that any criticism can trigger strong reactions, but I just don't think you've made the connection.

I invite those who I have queried to speak for themselves. I am sure they are able to and don't need you leaping to their defense - funnily enough, without the thing you clearly so desperately want me to provide.

Criticising the actions of the state of Israel is not automatically anti-semitism.

Never said it was, but thank you.

 

[ShanDog]

Hamas is going to be deleted, along with a whole lot of Palestinian territory. I had a lot of sympathy for Palestine, but, that's what happens when you elect fundamentalists who want another holocaust. The wider geopolitical effects in the middle east after this will be very interesting.

 

[Crankyhawk]

A lot of things don’t make sense atm. The complete failure of Israeli Intelligence..even US Intelligence. The timing by Hamas as things were going poorly for Netanyahu with protests etc. Now this will unite Israel behind him. Clearly Iran behind it and some suggest the proposed Saudi/Israel/US agreement behind their motive and this is a ploy to delay that. To the cost of course of innocent people and in particular Pal

Are you saying Netanyahu false flag attack?

 

[Bloods86]

I invite those who I have queried to speak for themselves. I am sure they are able to and don't need you leaping to their defense - funnily enough, without the thing you clearly so desperately want me to provide.



Never said it was, but thank you.

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to provide proof against something which had no basis to begin with (despite your big claims over a non answer to an irrelevant question). But hey, you do you.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I invite those who I have queried to speak for themselves. I am sure they are able to and don't need you leaping to their defense - funnily enough, without the thing you clearly so desperately want me to provide.



Never said it was, but thank you.

I give up, you're just too smart for the rest of us!!!

You say one thing... but mean SOMETHING ELSE

Next level...

So nuanced , what hope have we got?

 

[spinynorman]

For those who say they pity the Palestinians for having to answer for a Hamas that doesn't represent them, CNN interviewed a Palestinian not affiliated with them to actually get the Palestinian perspective on these things.

Sadly too rare in western media, and a really good interview - I'd recommend any fair minded person to watch.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Hamas are absolute scum and their actions have put back the Palestinian cause decades.
If Israel want to try and invade Gaza it could backfire really badly in the number of civilian casualties and the potential loss of hostages (both Israeli and foreign). A urban conflict within Gaza would suit Hamas as it would give them a chance to inflict more casualties on the IDF. It could backfire if Israel does regain control of Gaza , Hamas would cease to exist except in exile.
Don't think Hezbollah will get involved unless directly attacked by Israel , Lebanon is not in a good place economically and they could possibly lose significant support if they trigger another conflict with Israel.
Israel really needs to work out a strategy of how they are going to respond without lashing out at everyone and everything at the same time.
They might want to raze Gaza to the ground , attack Iran with airstrikes even try and push back Hezbollah from southern Lebanon but they can overstretch themselves and go too hard especially with inflicting civilian casualties.
Once the shooting stops there is going to be a lot of pressure on the current government in Israel to explain how all the security services missed this. Hamas has never been able to mount an operation like this , to not only cross the border in so many areas but then stay in Israel and actively engage the IDF and take hostages and massacre civilians.
Someone is going to have to fall on their sword over this wouldn't surprise me if the current Netanyahu government collapses once things eventually calm down.

Viable strategy maybe track down and kill the hamas leaders and steal their money?

 

[Jeremias]

I'm not sure how I'm supposed to provide proof against something which had no basis to begin with (despite your big claims over a non answer to an irrelevant question). But hey, you do you.

Again, very happy to let those it was directed to, speak for themselves.

Of course there are differences in the Ukraine and Israel situations. Haven't suggested otherwise. I am sceptical as to whether that's the reason why many are objecting to the blue and white lights but remained silent for the other, but if so, so be it.

So nuanced , what hope have we got?

You, clearly not much.

I am pro Israel but very prepared to say when they do wrong. Clearly they have done and continue to do plenty wrong, and are not a completely innocent party in this.

Anything else?

 

[Bloods86]

Hamas is going to be deleted, along with a whole lot of Palestinian territory. I had a lot of sympathy for Palestine, but, that's what happens when you elect fundamentalists who want another holocaust. The wider geopolitical effects in the middle east after this will be very interesting.

It's definitely for the best if Hamas no longer governs. Though Israel subjecting Palestinians to even worse conditions, isn't a positive either. Violence begets violence, misery begets misery. People become desperate and will sometimes turn to those who promise harsher actions, especially where more peaceful authorities weren't exactly respected by Israel either.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

You, clearly not much.

I am pro Israel but very prepared to say when they do wrong. Clearly they have done and continue to do plenty wrong, and are not a completely innocent party in this.

Anything else?

Yes

You said the lights at the Opera house are not a big deal... guess who's heading there now in their thousands to protest those lights?

 

[QuietB]

Yes

You said the lights at the Opera house are not a big deal... guess who's heading there now in their thousands to protest those lights?

Dutton has insisted Albanese do the same for the Parliament House.

Why does absolutely everything have to descend into a partisan shite fight.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Are you saying Netanyahu false flag attack?

Nah more Iran attack but puzzling stuff up by Intelligence.

 

[Bloods86]

For those who say they pity the Palestinians for having to answer for a Hamas that doesn't represent them, CNN interviewed a Palestinian not affiliated with them to actually get the Palestinian perspective on these things.

Sadly too rare in western media, and a really good interview - I'd recommend any fair minded person to watch.

Yeah I'd seen this elsewhere. Obviously the comment where he downplayed the civilian targets (versus military) is poor, but it was a good interview.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Nah more Iran attack but puzzling stuff up by Intelligence.

It's almost impossible to fathom that they could miss it, did they let it happen?

 

[Jeremias]

Yes

You said the lights at the Opera house are not a big deal... guess who's heading there now in their thousands to protest those lights?

No, I did not say that. Should I be surprised you've missed the point completely?

If you're on your way to protest, have fun. Just keep it peaceful, please.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Don't agree at all with the decision that the Sydney Opera House will be lit up in blue and white in support of Israel. Way too political and divisive.

Personally, although I agree with you this time its only because the nation concerned is Israel. Despite the fact that Hamas are religious zealot scumbags Israeli apartheid is the reason such a group exists in the first place.

F*ck Hamas, but f*ck Israel too! And f*ck the sh*tbag Yanks who are showing up too. I'm disgusted with ALL the 'major powers' to be honest. Beijing and Moscow can each eat a bag of dicks too.

Australia needs to go it's own way. No Gods. No Masters!

 

[eastfreo75]

The ol Two State Solution is not going great for one of the states, eh.

The Wacko left support a side that wants to kill every Jew on the planet.

 

[Sphynx]

 

[Pommie Docker]

For those who say they pity the Palestinians for having to answer for a Hamas that doesn't represent them, CNN interviewed a Palestinian not affiliated with them to actually get the Palestinian perspective on these things.

Sadly too rare in western media, and a really good interview - I'd recommend any fair minded person to watch.

This was disappointing, really nothing out of what every other palestinian authority has said. He denies there were civilian targets when they attacked a music festival and didn't once condemn the actions.

The best thing would be for someone who is credible on the Palestinian side which didn't have the genocide of all Israel is as it's ultimate goal and wanted to only use violence as a self defence rather than inviting further violence.

 

[Gavin Excell]

There was actually a proposal in the 40s to set up a Jewish homeland in the Kimberley.

Actually had quite a lot of support from the WA government and local trade unions. Was ultimately blocked by the Commonwealth. And who knows how much appeal it would’ve had to displaced Jews at the end of WW2, no historical connection obviously.

No doubt would’ve run into issues with potential displacement of indigenous peoples etc, though back then maybe not?

Fascinating thought experiment. It’s a really harsh environment up there but an Israeli state of maybe a few million people in NW Australia certainly would’ve changed history.

Would’ve changed our strategic environment as well. You could only imagine a powerful local Israel state would give any regional aggressor something to think about (though it wouldn’t have had the same ‘surrounded by enemies’ mentality to drive its military development I guess).

I reckon this Israel in the Kimberley would’ve incorporated a lot of local culture too- Aussie Rules would’ve been pretty big and they’d be hosting a couple of teams in the expanded AIFL (Australian Israeli Football League).

I wasn't aware of that
I know Nazi Germany had considered a plan for the forced removal of Polish Jews to Madagascar which was a French colony.

 

[Twoslabs]

Simple question for the usual apologists ..... does Israel have the right to exist or not? no semantics, no what about isms, a simple yes or no?

Just remember a possible two state solution was proposed way before WW2 by the British as a result of the Peel Commission google it .... who opposed it? Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, yep the same guy that got into bed with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Simple question for the usual apologists ..... does Israel have the right to exist or not? no semantics, no what about isms, a simple yes or no?

Just remember a possible two state solution was proposed way before WW2 by the British as a result of the Peel Commission google it .... who opposed it? Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, yep the same guy that got into bed with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy

As a purely Jewish ethnostate with a fake veneer of Israeli Arabs in the Knesset who will NEVER be allowed to get the numbers to pursue real meaningful change for their people?

NO ethnostate has the right to exist. None.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

No, I did not say that. Should I be surprised you've missed the point completely?

If you're on your way to protest, have fun. Just keep it peaceful, please.

You repeatedly said they were just lights and wouldn't hurt anyone, there was no hidden nuanced point

But now there's a protest happening at those very lights, and it could get nasty

And I have no skin in this game and will not be protesting