Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

[Cap]

Just doesn't seem the way to make friends or influence people

 

[Blue1980]

Not all members but there are definitely parts of the Socialist Left and the Greens that are Anti-Semetic. And its time they were called out on it.

The ones that are definitely should be called out, I don’t think overall that is what people oppose about Israel.

Just like you get some far left people anti Ukraine was and pro Russia through the lens of anything the US supports is bad, you get the same in relation to Israel, people anti simply as the US supports them.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Bullshit. Innocent children and citizens that are dying are not part of ‘Hamas’.

They’re intending to wipe out Gaza as we know it today, whether the casualties include Hamas militants or not.

Hamas hide among families.

 

[Lsta062]

50 different countries attended it and agreed to it.

out of the 4 main current leaders of the UN, only one has a part western heritage.

• Portuguese
• Trinidad & Tobago
• Bulgarian
• British & Nigerian.....

You are oversimplifying one element of the UN and then using that to degrade the entire thing.

Utter stupidity.

The United Nations position is actually that Israel are illegally holding that land. At least thats the last i read about it.

Do you even know why I said it was a Western concept that serves Western nations?

Precisely because their position is that Israel are engaging in illegal occupation. Precisely because nothing has been done about it.

The United Nations, the International Criminal Court, and all of these intergovernmental systems are ineffective in holding Western countries accountable for their infringements in the Middle East over the last two decades. So what is their use really then?

If they’re made by the West and ineffective against the West, then it’s not really a system that protects the interests of humans worldwide.

I’m not surprised that this is how you view it though. They’re very good at marketing. But us Muslims, the Arabs, and the Africans see the bullshit for what it is. We probably have the best insight into how the West operate in this world over anyone else, so that won’t work on us.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Just doesn't seem the way to make friends or influence people

Israel needs to stop firing back but Hamas can keep attacking, is that how it works?

 

[ShanDog]

They haven't had elections since 2006.

True. Is there any evidence to suggest the group they elected then is substantially different in stated goals or ideology to Hamas now?

 

[Sir_Loin]

True. Is there any evidence to suggest the group they elected then is substantially different in stated goals or ideology to Hamas now?

Well given they were elected in 2006 and promptly engaged in a war with Israel the same year I’d say no

 

[ShanDog]

The United Nations, the International Criminal Court, and all of these intergovernmental systems are ineffective in holding Western countries accountable for their infringements in the Middle East over the last two decades. So what is their use really then?

If they’re made by the West and ineffective against the West, then it’s not really a system that protects the interests of humans worldwide.

I’m not surprised that this is how you view it though. They’re very good at marketing. But us Muslims, the Arabs, and the Africans see the bullshit for what it is. We probably have the best insight into how the West operate in this world over anyone else, so that won’t work on us.

And your better solution or system to world politics and relations is... what?

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Do you even know why I said it was a Western concept that serves Western nations?

Precisely because their position is that Israel are engaging in illegal occupation. Precisely because nothing has been done about it.

The United Nations, the International Criminal Court, and all of these intergovernmental systems are ineffective in holding Western countries accountable for their infringements in the Middle East over the last two decades. So what is their use really then?

If they’re made by the West and ineffective against the West, then it’s not really a system that protects the interests of humans worldwide.

I’m not surprised that this is how you view it though. They’re very good at marketing. But us Muslims, the Arabs, and the Africans see the bullshit for what it is. We probably have the best insight into how the West operate in this world over anyone else, so that won’t work on us.

Think you are missing the point.

No one is in here saying that Palestine havent been wronged over time.

But a terrorist organisation killing innocent people at a musclai festival does not make it right, nor should it be celebrated by anyone.

 

[QuietB]

Not all members but there are definitely parts of the Socialist Left and the Greens that are Anti-Semetic. And its time they were called out on it.

Isn't Trump an Anti-Semite? Majorie Taylor Greene the same. Couple of snowflake lefties there.

 

[Blue Arrow]

Twitter is a bit of an eye opener for someone relatively new to it like me, some of the videos & pics posted there are truly horrifying.

Spoiler: Covered because it might upset kids & terrorist supporters

Terrified Grandmothers being used as props, crying kids waiting to get shot, women gets dragged off to be used as hostages to be r*ped & used as human shields, full body bags at a bus stop.

Shame on people who defend these terrorist murderers & rapist scum.

 

[Thrawn]

I mean, I feel I’ve made myself pretty clear already.

That you didn’t straight up refute it says it all.

Well no, you haven't. Not to me specifically.

The fact is this: you don't know my position on anything here. You don't know my thoughts or opinions of a wide array of topics. You have never spoken to me about this topic before. Quite frankly, you know nothing about my views about most things that are not Carlton-related.

And yet here you are, supposedly accusing me of being an anti-Semite (if I am following your posts correctly). And it's not just me, either.

 

[Roylion]

United Nations was formed in San Fransisco, California. That’s all I need to know about them.

Planned in San Francisco, first met in London and HQ in New York.

About the answer being obvious, I agree. It is obvious, which is why I said it.

A homeland in Germany wasn't the request of the Jewish people.

The desire for Jews to return to their ancestral homeland had been a central part of Jewish life for centuries. Among Jews in the Diaspora, Israel was revered in a cultural, national, ethnic, historical, and religious sense. They thought of a return to it in a future messianic age. "Return" remained a recurring theme among generations, particularly in the Passover and Yom Kippur prayers, which traditionally concluded with "Next year in Jerusalem", and in the Amidah which was recited three times a day, while facing Jerusalem.

 

[strauchy]

Israel needs to stop firing back but Hamas can keep attacking, is that how it works?

This is how it's always been. They should be wiped out immediately. Get rid of the animals

 

[Lsta062]

Think you are missing the point.

No one is in here saying that Palestine havent been wronged over time.

But a terrorist organisation killing innocent people at a musclai festival does not make it right, nor should it be celebrated by anyone.

And did I say to celebrate it? No, I didn’t.

The whole issue we have is that Palestinians being hurt is worth less to the West than the Israelis being hurt. Please check whether the Sydney Opera House has ever been lit up in Palestinian colours by the Australian government. You’ll probably find that it never has despite Palestinians being wronged for so many years. It lit up in blue and white though.

Western leaders also don’t really condemn the IDF and Netanyahu for what the IDF are doing to Palestinians either. So it really looks like they just support white lives over non-white lives yet again regardless of what’s right and wrong. Us Muslims notice the hypocrisy and bullshit.

As a side note, it is interesting that the word “terrorist” is only reserved for organisations that align themselves with Muslims in situations like this. The IDF by definition would be a terrorist organisation that acts against the interests of the Palestinian government in their own homeland. They actually meet the definition of terrorists, but I don’t see the Western media reference them as that. Language plays a huge role in controlling perception and emotions, and I see how they use that to manipulate how people view this ongoing conflict.

 

[Blue1980]

Isn't Trump an Anti-Semite? Majorie Taylor Greene the same. Couple of snowflake lefties there.

They support Israel though

 

[Jeremias]

Well no, you haven't. Not to me specifically.

The fact is this: you don't know my position on anything here. You don't know my thoughts or opinions of a wide array of topics. You have never spoken to me about this topic before. Quite frankly, you know nothing about my views about most things that are not Carlton-related.

And yet here you are, supposedly accusing me of being an anti-Semite (if I am following your posts correctly). And it's not just me, either.

Again I invite you to clarify. I note with interest this is the second time you've responded but not offered any clarification of your stance. And again, I am wondering why?

Make no mistake about it. This attack is against Israel but it is not just against Israel; it is an attack on the Jewish people. In this they go hand in hand and there is no middle ground.

 

[Roos9699]

This whole situation is truly horrific

 

[HirdsTheWord]

And did I say to celebrate it? No, I didn’t.

The whole issue we have is that Palestinians being hurt is worth less to the West than the Israelis being hurt. Please check whether the Sydney Opera House has ever been lit up in Palestinian colours by the Australian government. You’ll probably find that it never has despite Palestinians being wronged for so many years. It lit up in blue and white though.

Western leaders also don’t really condemn the IDF and Netanyahu for what the IDF are doing to Palestinians either. So it really looks like they just support white lives over non-white lives yet again regardless of what’s right and wrong. Us Muslims notice the hypocrisy and bullshit.

As a side note, it is interesting that the word “terrorist” is only reserved for organisations that align themselves with Muslims in situations like this. The IDF by definition would be a terrorist organisation that acts against the interests of the Palestinian government in their own homeland. They actually meet the definition of terrorists, but I don’t see the Western media reference them as that. Language plays a huge role in controlling perception and emotions, and I see how they use that to manipulate how people view this ongoing conflict.

Palestinians aren't terrorists.

Hamas are.

 

[Jeremias]

As a side note, it is interesting that the word “terrorist” is only reserved for organisations that align themselves with Muslims in situations like this. The IDF by definition would be a terrorist organisation that acts against the interests of the Palestinian government in their own homeland. They actually meet the definition of terrorists, but I don’t see the Western media reference them as that. Language plays a huge role in controlling perception and emotions, and I see how they use that to manipulate how people view this ongoing conflict.

Please don't ever try and argue that Hamas isn't a terrorist organisation. It's bad enough that you equate them to the IDF.

These animals are murdering, raping and abducting civilians including children and the elderly. That is not the work of a militant, that is the work of a terrorist.

Israel is not completely innocent here. But to equate the two is just plain wrong.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

This whole situation is truly horrific

These protestors are doing nothing but hurting their own cause.

morons. The lot of them.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Please don't ever try and argue that Hamas isn't a terrorist organisation. It's bad enough that you equate them to the IDF.

These animals are murdering, raping and abducting civilians including children and the elderly. That is not the work of a militant, that is the work of a terrorist.

Israel is not completely innocent here. But to equate the two is just plain wrong.

Or people could just accept the Australian Government designation of Hamas as a terrorist organisation. Good enough for me.

 

[Lsta062]

Planned in San Francisco, first met in London and HQ in New York.



A homeland in Germany wasn't the request of the Jewish people.

The desire for Jews to return to their ancestral homeland had been a central part of Jewish life for centuries. Among Jews in the Diaspora, Israel was revered in a cultural, national, ethnic, historical, and religious sense. They thought of a return to it in a future messianic age. "Return" remained a recurring theme among generations, particularly in the Passover and Yom Kippur prayers, which traditionally concluded with "Next year in Jerusalem", and in the Amidah which was recited three times a day, while facing Jerusalem.

Still, doesn’t make a difference. London and New York are still in the West.

If they wanted so badly to ‘return’ to their ancestral home, then they should’ve immigrated there and lived under Palestinian rulership. You know, like we are doing now in Australia.

If you take into consideration what happened in Australia, the US, Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, and Palestine, then you start to question whether white people are even capable of living under the rulership of non-white people without trying to take the land over.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Still, doesn’t make a difference. London and New York are still in the West.

If they wanted so badly to ‘return’ to their ancestral home, then they should’ve immigrated there and lived under Palestinian rulership. You know, like we are doing now in Australia.

If you take into consideration what happened in Australia, the US, Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, and Palestine, then you start to question whether white people are even capable of living under the rulership of non-white people without trying to take the land over.

It shows you are talking shit for starters.

None of this has anything to do with terrorists killing innocent people at a music festival.

It is not justified.

Hamas and Palestine are not the same thing.

 

[Lsta062]

Please don't ever try and argue that Hamas isn't a terrorist organisation. It's bad enough that you equate them to the IDF.

These animals are murdering, raping and abducting civilians including children and the elderly. That is not the work of a militant, that is the work of a terrorist.

Israel is not completely innocent here. But to equate the two is just plain wrong.

More like don’t equate Hamas to the IDF because the IDF is much worse! Even if Hamas is a terrorist organisation, the IDF are the biggest terrorist organisation in this world right now. They have a big role in systematically oppressing the indigenous people of Palestine.

At least Hamas is operating in their own land. The IDF is operating on a land that doesn’t belong to them! A land that the Jewish people stole by committing genocide on Palestinians!

No matter how deluded you guys want to make yourselves, you will never erase the true reality of this situation.