Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

[Lsta062]

It shows you are talking s**t for starters.

None of this has anything to do with terrorists killing innocent people at a music festival.

It is not justified.

Hamas and Palestine are not the same thing.

History doesn’t start when you begin paying attention to it!

 

[Zidane98]

Bullshit. Innocent children and citizens that are dying are not part of ‘Hamas’.

They’re intending to wipe out Gaza as we know it today, whether the casualties include Hamas militants or not.

The facts do not support your analysis here. Firstly, there was no blockade of Gaza pre Hamas. If your statement was true there would have been a blockade from day one of disengagement. Israel had recently just relaxed border restrictions as recently as last week thanks to intervention from Qatar. This is not the actions of a state attempting to wipe out another state.

There are civilians being killed. That's heartbreaking. Hamas is the target here, not them.

It's worth noting Hamas kill many of their own through failed rocket attacks. To characterise that as Hamas attempting to wipe out their own would be ridiculous for obvious reasons.

 

[Jeremias]

More like don’t equate Hamas to the IDF because the IDF is much worse!

Put this in your signature because that's all anyone needs to know. There is no moving from this position, and talking with you is a complete waste of time.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

History doesn’t start when you begin paying attention to it!

kinda sounds like you are just making up your own version of it to justify terrorism to be honest.

For as much as you keep saying you dont condone what hamas did 48 hours ago, you're tripping over yourself not to show it.

 

[Lsta062]

Put this in your signature because that's all anyone needs to know. There is no moving from this position, and talking with you is a complete waste of time.

kinda sounds like you are just making up your own version of it to justify terrorism to be honest.

For as much as you keep saying you dont condone what hamas did 48 hours ago, you're tripping over yourself not to show it.

If you want to side with the oppressive white colonists, then that’s your choice. It shows the ugly type of people you are, but it nevertheless is your choice.

I will side with the oppressed Muslims of Palestine. Always.

I will not engage in this further so don’t bother quoting me again on this issue.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

If you want to side with the oppressive white colonists, then that’s your choice. It shows the ugly type of people you are, but it nevertheless is your choice.

I will side with the oppressed Muslims of Palestine. Always.

I will not engage in this further so don’t bother quoting me again on this issue.

I'm not siding with Israel or Palestine.

I'm calling out terrorism from Hamas.

Best you piss off then you fear monger.

 

[Kwality]

If you take into consideration what happened in Australia, the US, Canada, South Africa, New Zealand, and Palestine, then you start to question whether white people are even capable of living under the rulership of non-white people without trying to take the land over.

Does democracy get a gig in your thought process ?

If you look at wars over land, Europeans are experts - see Ukraine, the Balkans.

You can go back & fight the wars that litter the last 500 years of history for what gain ?

 

[ShanDog]

And did I say to celebrate it? No, I didn’t.

The whole issue we have is that Palestinians being hurt is worth less to the West than the Israelis being hurt. Please check whether the Sydney Opera House has ever been lit up in Palestinian colours by the Australian government. You’ll probably find that it never has despite Palestinians being wronged for so many years. It lit up in blue and white though.

Western leaders also don’t really condemn the IDF and Netanyahu for what the IDF are doing to Palestinians either. So it really looks like they just support white lives over non-white lives yet again regardless of what’s right and wrong. Us Muslims notice the hypocrisy and bullshit.

As a side note, it is interesting that the word “terrorist” is only reserved for organisations that align themselves with Muslims in situations like this. The IDF by definition would be a terrorist organisation that acts against the interests of the Palestinian government in their own homeland. They actually meet the definition of terrorists, but I don’t see the Western media reference them as that. Language plays a huge role in controlling perception and emotions, and I see how they use that to manipulate how people view this ongoing conflict.

You're doing your best to make this a Muslim/Brown vs Jew/White thing, but it's the laziest, reductive and ultimately fruitless avenue of analysis and dialogue regarding the history and geopolitics of this situation.

 

[BobbyMorri]

More like don’t equate Hamas to the IDF because the IDF is much worse! Even if Hamas is a terrorist organisation, the IDF are the biggest terrorist organisation in this world right now. They have a big role in systematically oppressing the indigenous people of Palestine.

At least Hamas is operating in their own land. The IDF is operating on a land that doesn’t belong to them! A land that the Jewish people stole by committing genocide on Palestinians!

No matter how deluded you guys want to make yourselves, you will never erase the true reality of this situation.

Watch videos of the attack. Of innocents being murdered. Actually watch them. I

Then say that again.

If you don't feel angry, sad and disgusted, then there is something wrong with you. They (Hamas) are heartless cowards. The way they killed is inhuman

Supernova festival: How massacre unfolded from verified video and social media

The footage that shows joy turning to horror at an Israeli music festival in the desert.

www.bbc.com

(i wont post those videos you can find on X, but the bbc uses stills from some of them. )

 

[BobbyMorri]

These protestors are doing nothing but hurting their own cause.

morons. The lot of them.

yep, it has gone around the world.

idiots. What do they want more? the destruction of Israel or a free Palestine. War or peace.

Now is not the time to act up and demand the death of Israel. There has been too much death already. It is a shocking look. it reinforces a view that Palestine are savages and Israel was right to blockade them, control them, bomb them etc. That only one nation wants peace.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

yep, it has gone around the world.

idiots. What do they want more? the destruction of Israel or a free Palestine. War or peace.

Now is not the time to act up and demand the death of Israel. There has been too much death already. It is a shocking look. it reinforces a view that Palestine are savages and Israel was right to blockade them, control them, bomb them etc. That only one nation wants peace.

all they are doing is linking palestine to hamas, which means everyone else will side with israel.

They are making a hamas issue a palenstine issue.

Will end poorly for them.

 

[bzparkes]

More like don’t equate Hamas to the IDF because the IDF is much worse! Even if Hamas is a terrorist organisation, the IDF are the biggest terrorist organisation in this world right now. They have a big role in systematically oppressing the indigenous people of Palestine.

At least Hamas is operating in their own land. The IDF is operating on a land that doesn’t belong to them! A land that the Jewish people stole by committing genocide on Palestinians!

No matter how deluded you guys want to make yourselves, you will never erase the true reality of this situation.

Laughable.

Jews and Palestinians were there around the same time: 1,200BC.

Stop pushing the bullshit that Palestinians have a right over a place that was only named after them at the end of WW1.

It wasn't even a country to begin with. Never was.

You're attempting to rewrite history, which is unsurprising.

 

[JayJ20]

Since 2007 when they gained power in Gaza. They literally are their representative body.



So stand by them, that is your right.

Don't whinge when called out for it though. As you have been.



No, that's not what happened. You engaged when I suggested that the Palestinians are more likely to want to wipe Israelis off the map than the other way around.

Sorry, I’ll be blunt. Anyone who disagrees with that is a moron.



I mean, I feel I’ve made myself pretty clear already.

That you didn’t straight up refute it says it all.



Of course it’s political. Not sure I suggested otherwise.

Australia and Israel are allies. You’d have to be an idiot to think they weren’t going to show support.


Yes. I agree there are many simple people in our society.

Most people I believe are a little wiser than that.


Far too many. But those who hide behind their innocent don’t care about that.

As for priorities, what should be the priority, is not the priority. Never has been, never will be.


Oooooooh good one!! That’s a real zinger!

Oh I missed the part where the Palestinian people voted Hamas in. Please.
Palestinian people have been killed by way of ethnic cleansing and genocide long before Hamas even existed. What's the excuse then?

You're too disingenuous to have an honest conversation about what's happening in the region.

 

[bzparkes]

History doesn’t start when you begin paying attention to it!

It does for you.

 

[bzparkes]

Oh I missed the part where the Palestinian people voted Hamas in. Please.
Palestinian people have been killed by way of ethnic cleansing and genocide long before Hamas even existed. What's the excuse then?

You're too disingenuous to have an honest conversation about what's happening in the region.

Palestinians have been constantly murdered by Hamas also.

Why are you trying to justify their actions?

 

[JayJ20]

all they are doing is linking palestine to hamas, which means everyone else will side with israel.

They are making a hamas issue a palenstine issue.

Will end poorly for them.

Palestinians were being killed long before Hamas existed. Sounds like Hamas has become the new excuse to justify the continued killing of Palestinian civilians. It's disgusting the length people will go to justify a genocide and an apartheid system.

 

[JayJ20]

Palestinians have been constantly murdered by Hamas also.

Why are you trying to justify their actions?

How about you answer my question:

Tell me where I mentioned anything about supporting Hamas? My focus is the core problem.

Stopping Hamas isn't bringing peace when the Israeli government have been killing Palestinians long before Hamas even existed.
Answer this question. Who has killed more people over the last 75 years. Hamas or the Israeli government?

Facts over feelings please.

 

[bzparkes]

How about you answer my question:

Why are you copying my statements?

No argument, just your 'feelings' on the issue?

Why don't you answer the BS I called you out on when you tried claiming Arabs only got desert and unfarmable land in the '47 proposition of a two-state system?

It's clear you've picked a side and refuse to acknowledge any information that refutes your claims and are simply putting up unprovable strawman arguments.

Bring facts, not feelings.

 

[Roylion]

Still, doesn’t make a difference. London and New York are still in the West.

The United Nations is an international organisation and consisted of 50 countries in 1947.

If they wanted so badly to ‘return’ to their ancestral home, then they should’ve immigrated there and lived under Palestinian rulership.

They wanted - and believed they were promised by the British (via the Balfour Declaration) - a homeland in the British mandate of Palestine. After the horrors of the Holocaust, they argued that they would only be truly safe if they had a state of their own. The same as the Palestinians want a state of their own.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

'Hamas won 2006 parliamentary elections elections and in 2007 violently seized control of the Gaza Strip from the internationally recognised Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian Authority, dominated by rival Fatah movement, administers semi-autonomous areas of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

Israel responded to the Hamas takeover with a blockade on Gaza, restricting movement of people and goods in and out of the territory in a step it says is needed to keep the group from developing weapons. The blockade has ravaged Gaza’s economy, and Palestinians accuse Israel of collective punishment.

Over the years, Hamas received backing from Arab countries, such as Qatar and Turkey. Recently, it’s moved closer to Iran and its allies.'
Guardian.

 

[spinynorman]

Just lost six members of his family at the hands of the IDF and the second question from interviewers is asking him if he condemns Hamas.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Ideally I'd like to see peace in the region with a two state solution. Hamas are a bunch of animals and I fully condemn their actions.

I do question Isreals commitment to peace and a possible two state solution. It is worth noting the contrast between the West Bank (run by the Fatah party) and Gaza strip (run by Hamas).

Hamas believes in the irradiation of Isreal while from my understanding Fatah are open to diplomacy and negotiate a two state solution (based on 1967 borders). If the Isreali government were serious about a two state solution then they should have been attempting to negotiate with the Fatah party. If the Isreali government decided to negotiate with the Fatah party, it would show that diplomacy works and violence would wreck any peace negotiations.

I think a two state solution is the only way to go because in the end we have two different ethnic groups who simply have nowhere else go. Though for this to work both groups need to be genuinely open to the idea.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Ideally I'd like to see peace in the region with a two state solution. Hamas are a bunch of animals and I fully condemn their actions.

I do question Isreals commitment to peace and a possible two state solution. It is worth noting the contrast between the West Bank (run by the Fatah party) and Gaza strip (run by Hamas).

Hamas believes in the irradiation of Isreal while from my understanding Fatah are open to diplomacy and negotiate a two state solution (based on 1967 borders). If the Isreali government were serious about a two state solution then they should have been attempting to negotiate with the Fatah party. If the Isreali government decided to negotiate with the Fatah party, it would show that diplomacy works and violence would wreck peace any peace negotiations.

I think a two state solution is the only way to go. In the end we have two different ethnic groups who simply have nowhere else go. Though for this to work both groups need to be genuinely open to the idea.

Two state solution is gone for the foreseeable future. As long as Hamas hold power it’s a non starter.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Ideally I'd like to see peace in the region with a two state solution. Hamas are a bunch of animals and I fully condemn their actions.

I do question Isreals commitment to peace and a possible two state solution. It is worth noting the contrast between the West Bank (run by the Fatah party) and Gaza strip (run by Hamas).

Hamas believes in the irradiation of Isreal while from my understanding Fatah are open to diplomacy and negotiate a two state solution (based on 1967 borders). If the Isreali government were serious about a two state solution then they should have been attempting to negotiate with the Fatah party. If the Isreali government decided to negotiate with the Fatah party, it would show that diplomacy works and violence would wreck any peace negotiations.

I think a two state solution is the only way to go because in the end we have two different ethnic groups who simply have nowhere else go. Though for this to work both groups need to be genuinely open to the idea.

hamas dont believe in a 2 state solution

they believe in the destruction of Israel.

 

[Kwality]

'Hamas won 2006 parliamentary elections elections and in 2007 violently seized control of the Gaza Strip from the internationally recognised Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian Authority, dominated by rival Fatah movement, administers semi-autonomous areas of the Israeli-occupied West Bank.

Israel responded to the Hamas takeover with a blockade on Gaza, restricting movement of people and goods in and out of the territory in a step it says is needed to keep the group from developing weapons. The blockade has ravaged Gaza’s economy, and Palestinians accuse Israel of collective punishment.

Over the years, Hamas received backing from Arab countries, such as Qatar and Turkey. Recently, it’s moved closer to Iran and its allies.'

So where did you take that quote from?