Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

[Blue1980]

If you're on a religious Commanded War (milchemet Mitzvah), why would you worry if it's a Christian or a Muslim you're killing?

It's all for the glory of god and cleansing of the non-believers.

The IDF just released footage of a commander saying it shouldn't have been done, not to shoot people waving a white flag. Why did they need to be told this now, not after the first 15,000 civilians they killed?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief-reiterates-rules-of-engagement-to-troops-after-3-hostages-killed-in-error/

IDF seem to be doing this a lot

 

[Engimal v3]

It’s funny when history is rewritten like it has after WWII the narratives that come out of it and real events completely forgotten.

The Nazis had a lot of western support in the 30s which is conveniently airbrushed from history and people denying they ever supported such things.

Yeah, take a look at what the Nazis got up to after the 30s

 

[Kurve]

There is no justifiable support of Israel. In 50 years, supporting Israel in this conflict will be as absurd as being pro-Axis.

Israel will be factoring that in too and which will go to a hardened resolve, they won't stop until they've achieved their objectives, objectives that may even shift to worse because of it, with nothing to lose by way of support.

 

[ferball]

There is no justifiable support of Israel. In 50 years, supporting Israel in this conflict will be as absurd as being pro-Axis.

Alot of the Western World should be seen as absurd then.

 

[Cap]

There is no justifiable support of Israel. In 50 years, supporting Israel in this conflict will be as absurd as being pro-Axis.

That's probably what Putin thinks of Ukraine too.

Whilst you may not like how it was created or how it is dealing with Hamas at the moment, it still has a right to exist.

 

[ferball]

That's probably what Putin thinks of Ukraine too.

Whilst you may not like how it was created or how it is dealing with Hamas at the moment, it still has a right to exist.

Why?

 

[Cap]

Why?

Because it's a legitimate sovereign state.

It's quite alarming that even needs to be pointed out really.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Israel and Iran doing a pretty good demonstration of why the separation of church and state is so important.

Agree completely. But you and I both know separation of those 2 entities will likely never happen in those 2 states.

 

[ferball]

Because it's a legitimate sovereign state.

It's quite alarming that even needs to be pointed out really.

The idea of a legitimate sovereign state is a convenient fiction.

States only maintain their sovereignty thru their ability to use violence. The moment a state fails to do that against a serious threat it will fall.

Israel's legitimacy is in question right now and its status as a sovereign state is based on its formation which you have admitted other people have an issue with. So its legitimacy is in question and always has been in question from another pov that isn't yours.

 

[JayJ20]

So we're down to 695 Israeli civilians killed from 1,400, with many of the 695 being killed by the IDF in crossfire. It makes you wonder if the IDF in reality killed more Israeli civilians than Hamas. Israeli civilians themselves confirmed that the IDF shot at them. It's not surprising given the recent news about them killing hostages waving white flags.

505 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank this year where there is no Hamas. More than 4,400 Palestinians have reportedly been detained in the West Bank since October 7.

In Gaza, more than 18,000 innocent civilians have been killed. Nothing that happened justifies this level of massacre.

 

[Not Important]

As opposed to Iran funding and arming terror groups including Hamas?

that would be the hamas israel supported being elected.


let’s not respond to the genocide. which judging your diversion and your lack of knowledge of the history you have no issue with. quite sickening.

 

[Not Important]

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[Chief]

That beach house thing is like something out of a satirical sci-fi movie.

 

[Not Important]

Pro-Israel?

My post was in response to someone else claiming references to Kristallnacht was disgusting and dishonouring the memories of jews who died in the camps, when the comparisons to Kristallnacht are being drawn by some Jews who survived the Nazi death camps or whose family members actually died in the camps. Therefore, the person as a not a Jew, claiming it was disgusting and dishonouring does not have the same standing to none.

That isn't censorship.

well! saying someone has 'no standing' when the poster was expressing a viewpoint on the israel matter is censorship to me. anyhoo, pity you've taken the bat and ball and vamoosed from here.

 

[Cap]

The idea of a legitimate sovereign state is a convenient fiction.

States only maintain their sovereignty thru their ability to use violence. The moment a state fails to do that against a serious threat it will fall.

Israel's legitimacy is in question right now and its status as a sovereign state is based on its formation which you have admitted other people have an issue with.

All these points can be made about other countries we don't like or even our own (or any country really)

Although I disagree the sovereignty means the threat of violence, although I acknowledge that some people see it that way.

So its legitimacy is in question and always has been in question from another pov that isn't yours.

Yes the POV of those like Putin and other Brutal dictators who like to pick and chose when and why they acknowledge a sovereign state.

So I'm more than comfortable where I sit.

 

[Saint]

So we're down to 695 Israeli civilians killed from 1,400, with many of the 695 being killed by the IDF in crossfire. It makes you wonder if the IDF in reality killed more Israeli civilians than Hamas. Israeli civilians themselves confirmed that the IDF shot at them. It's not surprising given the recent news about them killing hostages waving white flags.

505 Palestinians have been killed in the West Bank this year where there is no Hamas. More than 4,400 Palestinians have reportedly been detained in the West Bank since October 7.

In Gaza, more than 18,000 innocent civilians have been killed. Nothing that happened justifies this level of massacre.

Still plenty of videos of heinous crimes and outright murders. Hundreds of them.

The point is that Israel has now done worse. Being worse than Hamas is not a title to aspire to, but Israel still seem to want to go further still. They must be stopped.

It's undeniable that Israel have now behaved worse. So the question is what should the world do about it? Would we stand by and let Hamas/Isis run wild?

 

[DangerousD]

That's probably what Putin thinks of Ukraine too.

Whilst you may not like how it was created or how it is dealing with Hamas at the moment, it still has a right to exist.

How is its right to exist being challenged?

 

[QuietB]

Still plenty of videos of heinous crimes and outright murders. Hundreds of them.

The point is that Israel has now done worse. Being worse than Hamas is not a title to aspire to, but Israel still seem to want to go further still. They must be stopped.

It's undeniable that Israel have now behaved worse. So the question is what should the world do about it? Would we stand by and let Hamas/Isis run wild?

The name Palestine is inscribed on every single cenotaph and war memorial in Australia.

I genuinely want to know what will be done about that when Palestine no longer exists?

How will conservatives honour Australian war dead from that theatre of war when they willingly allowed that place to no longer exist?

 

[Saint]

The name Palestine is inscribed on every single cenotaph and war memorial in Australia.

I genuinely want to know what will be done about that when Palestine no longer exists?

How will conservatives honour Australian war dead from that theatre of war when they willingly allowed that place to no longer exist?

Oh, but the name was made up in the 50's. According to the Zionists there really was no such place or peoples. They just happened to have thousand-year old churches and mosques, but were wandering nomads who don't really belong in Israel.

 

[ferball]

All these points can be made about other countries we don't like or even our own (or any country really)

Although I disagree the sovereignty means the threat of violence, although I acknowledge that some people see it that way.

Its the unfortunate reality. We're still a fairly barbaric species. Its not the thread for it obviously but the Federation of Australia is illegitimate imo. Most people disagree but I can live with that.

Yes the POV of those like Putin and other Brutal dictators who like to pick and chose when and why they acknowledge a sovereign state.

So I'm more than comfortable where I sit.

Was East Timor part of a different sovereign state?

Syria or Libya? Iraq? The Taliban ruling Afghanistan? Iran before the Shah? Chile under Allende? Hawaii?

 

[Saint]

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

And Hamas, the most bestial and inhumane organisation, are willing to stand for collective humanity as well? It has to be both. Why do you hold Israel to one standard and excuse Hamas of their atrocities?

Collectivism

Yes, absolutely. It must be said, that the reason one side 'gets picked on' by concerned folk in Washington-aligned nations is because the global superpower only backs one side without question, no matter the incident or the atrocity. That side is Israel. Australia's foreign policy is bound to the will of Washington and so we are hostage to the powerplays that unfold as a cosequence of that alliance.

To criticise that alliance it is necessary to poke holes in it, to find fault where its glaringly obvious and to reject wholeheartedly any unquestioning support our nation might engage in.

My point all up was if one stood for the collective and the other insisted on ethno-religious supremacy to the detriment of all other regional players, it would settle the matter of public sympathies and world opinion absolutely, at least as far as I can see it.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Israel will be factoring that in too and which will go to a hardened resolve, they won't stop until they've achieved their objectives, objectives that may even shift to worse because of it, with nothing to lose by way of support.

Then the nation of Israel should be erased as a political construct, and a neutral multi-ethnic secular nation emerge from what remains.

The Apartheid State would no longer deserve a place amongst the nations.

 

[Freomaniac]

Yeah, take a look at what the Nazis got up to after the 30s

Ummm..... I dont think Hitler and Jews were friends when Hitler was a leader of germany after 1933...

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Israel will be factoring that in too and which will go to a hardened resolve, they won't stop until they've achieved their objectives, objectives that may even shift to worse because of it, with nothing to lose by way of support.

Netanyahu is a right wing murderous nut who no one is supporting now. He doesn't want a two state solution, he just wants to murder and terrorize.
It's only him and the nutter zealot settlers who are backing him now.
He needs to resign.