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Re: What is Maric Worth

Cant believe you guys are seriously into this spud sanfl ruckman.

Grab seaby or blake for a couple of years and save your draft picks

If he was any good crows would keep him and offer him more than just rent money.

They are all playing him uo just to get back at you for bending them ovee hard core with the tambling trade.

Psd thats all his worth , anything mire is a rip off

Up the guts - your surname isnt maric is it by anychance you seem ti support this hack unconditionally

lol good call from an unbiased footy fan :thumbsu:
 
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The posts above got me thinking...

I'm an old ruck who hence values the position a little more than others and am a huge advocate of the Swans / Roos method whereby the allow another team to put the 1st 4-5 years into a young tall and once they have matured, be prepared to give away a 2nd round pick for that tall. They have been tremendously successful with this approach and have Stephen Taubman there who is ruck coach and has a great eye for these kinds of things.

I have no problem whatsover with giving away pick 35 for a big bloke who can help us next year...none! However, is Maric worth pick 35? IMO no he is not. His SANFL stats this year aren't overly impressive:

Averages:
5.7 kicks
6.2 handballs
3.8 marks
21 hitouts
1 goal per game

I have serious doubt that he is worth pick 35 based on those numbers. The stats aren't bad but if we are looking for a ruckman who can assist our midfield in clearances, I don't believe he is our answer and we seriously need to be questioning our coaches if they believe it.

I have also just noticed that he is only 198cm...that is not a 1st ruckman's height.




So were those stats bases on him being the number one ruck for port or as a back up to their number one who has train the whole year in their sanfl squad?
I have not watched maric at all but i will not be persuaded by stats on a piece of paper.
 
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As alot of posters have the good point abouthis sanfl record and also the fact he has been in the afl for 6 years , will be 26
He should be dominating the afl by now but hr cant get a game in a bottom placed team who realised he isnt much good and searched through carltons list for a rookie to replace him.
In all honesty i really believe that seaby,blake,minson,mcauley are all better prospects for a stoo gap ruck which after all maric will be.

He isnt really better than graham but he tries harder
You guys wont gain much with maric better of sticking with graham then ooach a gws or gc ruck in a year or so.

If uou must get him anything more than a 4th round pick or nason you guys will be getting bent badly , connors is worth way more if he is involved in a maric swap i would say connors+4th pick - Maric+3rd would be a fait trade

Carlton wanted connors last year instead of collins would of been better for both our teams if that had been the trade

I wouldnt mind doing a swap now !

take connors and our 3rd round and we will take hammer off your hands
 

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Re: What is Maric Worth

lol
you're supposed to beat trolls, not dry root them.
 
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So were those stats bases on him being the number one ruck for port or as a back up to their number one who has train the whole year in their sanfl squad?
I have not watched maric at all but i will not be persuaded by stats on a piece of paper.

He was adelaides number 1 ruck in 2009 and 2010 where he played nigh on every game and he never averaged more than 10 possies a game. nuff said
 
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He was adelaides number 1 ruck in 2009 and 2010 where he played nigh on every game and he never averaged more than 10 possies a game. nuff said



Once again, i havent seen him play consistently, and im guessing you are going by stats alone, so i will give a 25 year old ruck a chance. If he can add even 10% on what we have we will be a lot better off.
 
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some players who have gone around 35 in recent drafts.
06 tippett morton goldsteien, j kennedy, reimers, garland,
07 greenwood, dawson simpson, sam reid, scott thomson, chris mayne, brendan
white cross,
08 j roughead l jones, shiels, bennell, a smith, z clarke, broadbent, robinson, banfield,
09 astbury, macmillan, sam reid, christenson kennedy, vardy. gawn.
10 green, howe, mccarthy, newton, horlin-smith,hallahan, taylor, parker, michie fasolo,

unbelievable people want to forgo a crack at similar for an unproven 26 yr old who has done absolutely nothing apart from play the odd decent game here and there.

want a ruckman well lets see in the above mentioned. vardy, z clarke, j roughead, t goldstein, m gawn, d simpson seems to me if we want to target A DECENT RUCKMAN its around this pick 35 that we do it.

while we could do with an experienced ruck to help in the short term it is not imperative that we get one because of where we are at as far as rebuild goes.

our second rnd pick in any draft compromised or not is extremely valuable.if we are to take an iffy ruckman or unproven one which maric is it shoukld not be with this pick.
as stated before we could go and get seaby or blake for nothing who will do the same job in the interim as maric will.
 
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Lol how am i a troll !!

I am only saying what i believe and thats maric isnt a good ruckman as stated in a previous post guys like goldstein, simpson etc and even your own batchelor and astbury were around these picks

I dare amybody to compare seaby, blake , grahams statts at afl level to maric and tell me how he is a better ruckman

Hitouts to advantage arr his only claim to fame but jeesus if you only tap it 15 times a game and get half to hit its target thats 7 a game hardly 2nd or 3rd round value there.

Any good vfl sanfl wafl ruckman would do the same
Maric is a spud pure and simple if the tigers want to get anywhere you need ti get a top ruckman but if it isnt this year wait untill 1 becomea available then go hard.

Its not like you will be playing off in a grannie in the next 3-4 years.
Gc gws will be struggling to keep all the top line rucks in 2 years

Throw everything at them including uptheguts who is plain as day a crows troll
 
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the one thing i like about maric is he not unco like gus, seaby or blake, and actually looks like he could become a decent player, whereas the others do not.
 
Re: What is Maric Worth

juddy,

what do you know about him?

how many times have you seen him play?

what are his strengths and weaknesses?
 

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Lol how am i a troll !!

I am only saying what i believe and thats maric isnt a good ruckman as stated in a previous post guys like goldstein, simpson etc and even your own batchelor and astbury were around these picks

I dare amybody to compare seaby, blake , grahams statts at afl level to maric and tell me how he is a better ruckman

Hitouts to advantage arr his only claim to fame but jeesus if you only tap it 15 times a game and get half to hit its target thats 7 a game hardly 2nd or 3rd round value there.

Any good vfl sanfl wafl ruckman would do the same
Maric is a spud pure and simple if the tigers want to get anywhere you need ti get a top ruckman but if it isnt this year wait untill 1 becomea available then go hard.

Its not like you will be playing off in a grannie in the next 3-4 years.
Gc gws will be struggling to keep all the top line rucks in 2 years

Throw everything at them including uptheguts who is plain as day a crows troll

I cant believe i actuall agree with a carlton supporter.
 
Re: What is Maric Worth

juddy,

what do you know about him?

how many times have you seen him play?

what are his strengths and weaknesses?

He is 25 and croation decent

Great clubman that gives his all but its not much good definately a trier but a workman.

Too short, no leap , average kick he is only good around the throw ins and not very good in the center

He might be a great guy and all but a pretty average ruckman that will struggle at the highest level

So wht get him , you already have one of these on your list.
 
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you got that from the crows board?

You'd know then that neil craig, the most sought after man in football, said he would be elite, and that he'd be a great man to have in the trenches beside you?

I think what most people are forgetting is that hartley and co think that he has a lot of improvement in him.

bottom line is barely anyone has seen him play many, if any games.

so no one knows.

how many times you seen him play?

enough to justify coming in here to tell us he's a dud?
 
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Although a Carlton supporter he is spot on. Maric is shit, I'm suprised at how few opposition games people here seem to watch, anyone who has seen this hack play would not want him at our club.
 
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you got that from the crows board?

You'd know then that neil craig, the most sought after man in football, said he would be elite, and that he'd be a great man to have in the trenches beside you?
When did he say that & Why isnt he elite yet
I think what most people are forgetting is that hartley and co think that he has a lot of improvement in him. I believe he is looked at a temporary replacement

bottom line is barely anyone has seen him play many, if any games.

so no one knows. I Believe the reason nobody has seen him play is because he isnt any good

how many times you seen him play?

enough to justify coming in here to tell us he's a dud?

He's pretty much on the ball with his assumption of Maric ......... He is just an average ruckman that only gets a handfull of touches SANFL grade at best





Hate to say it but , I have to agree with Juddy on this one Callme al
 
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So this begs the question ??

To add just a slight upgrade on what we already have (and thats in debate)

What would that tiny upgrade be worth seeing as we already have Dumb Gus Graham contracted for another 2 years !

Unless he comes PSD ................. DONT WANT HIM
 
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After reading this thread, all the 1,000 word essays say the same thing. Just worded differently. I'm having trouble keeping up with the status quo between the 4567897643 Maric threads and am under the impression that not even an epic 17 book series written by Dan Brown and posted on BigFooty about how Maric only gets 10 hit outs a game and puts his left sock on before his right is going to affect anything from the price of apples in China to Maric joining the Tigers this week.
 
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Averages:
5.7 kicks
6.2 handballs
3.8 marks
21 hitouts
1 goal per game

im nto a huge maric fan but those stats are actually not too bad if you think about it.

either he spent a fair bit of time forward (4 marks and a goal a game suggests that) which makes the 21 hitouts and 12 possessions a good effort for a part time ruckman.

or

he was the number 1 ruck in which case the 21 hitouts is at the low end but for a ruckman to kick 20+ goals a year is a very good contribution and suggests he at least offers something more offensively than either graham and browne.

statistically, the only place maric falls down is the hitouts. granted thats his most important role, but if he can get as many hitouts as graham but at least have more of an affect in general perhaps he is worth it as a stop gap at least.
 
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For a AFL listed Ruckman playing SANFL football which is lower than VFL level.

These statts are Rubbish

why? how many goals per game do other ruckmen kick in the lower leagues? do you expect 40 hitouts along with 20+ goals? as i said the high goal count suggests that he was either a ruckman/forward (which accounts for his lower hitout stats) or that he at least offers something offensively as a ruck, which graham and browne dont. his stat average in the afl is very similar (except for the hitouts and goals) and if a ruckman kicked a goal a game you would say that is a good contribution.
 
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Its very hard to compare other afl listed ruckman with maric as there are none that have spent 6 years on a afl list that are not playing seniors AFL.

Logic tells you that when a AFL level ruckman comes down to a lower level he will be the Number ! ruckman in That team & 21 hit outs is Rubbish.

Also when an afl listed Ruckman Plays at SANFL level , even when resting for 5 mins a quater (20 mins ) a game you would expect him to easily kick 1 goal a game.

The statts indicate that he played Ruck, otherwise playing foward you would expect a AFL player thats 200cm & 98kgs to average at least 3 goals a game at such a low level.

So seeing as he spent most of 2011 at sanfl and to average 21 hit outs ................ HE REALLY IS RUBBISH
 

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