Roast I've lost my faith in Chris Davies

[agmsy]

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He still lacks the authority to directly fire Hinkley or appoint his successor. Absent that authority, what is he to do in a de facto line manager role but support Hinkley as best he can? We don't know what representations Davies may have made to the board if and whenever the topic of extending Hinkley's contract was raised. We do know he's highly competent, so he'd likely recognise that recommending Hinkley get the arse means either Hinkley does get the arse (if the board is already leaning that way) or Davies does. Hard to imagine his role as GM of Football Operations remaining tenable if it gets out that he's recommended they sack Hinkley.

 

[PowerLil]

He still lacks the authority to directly fire Hinkley or appoint his successor. Absent that authority, what is he to do in a de facto line manager role but support Hinkley as best he can?

Wouldn't it be great to have a senior coach and/or head of football that is held accountable for the team's performance on the park instead of scapegoating young players and blaming injuries? What a novel idea.

 

[agmsy]

Wouldn't it be great to have a senior coach and/or head of football that is held accountable for the team's performance on the park instead of scapegoating young players and blaming injuries? What a novel idea.

It certainly would.

But, if many parts of the football department (nominally Davies' department) are humming, and if the part of the football department that falls directly under the purview of our senior coach is not, and if Davies lacks the authority to sack Hinkley (and, again, he absolutely lacks this authority within the club's organisational structure), then what is the primary justification for demanding that Davies be sacked?

There are at least four senior figures within our club (Hinkley, Koch, Richardson, Jonas) I'd like to see f***ed off (probably in that order) before we get to Davies.

 

[PowerLil]

It certainly would.

But, if many parts of the football department (nominally Davies' department) are humming, and if the part of the football department that falls directly under the purview of our senior coach is not, and if Davies lacks the authority to sack Hinkley (and, again, he absolutely lacks this authority within the club's organisational structure), then what is the primary justification for demanding that Davies be sacked?

There are at least four senior figures within our club (Hinkley, Koch, Richardson, Jonas) I'd like to see f***ed off (probably in that order) before we get to Davies.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Apart from 20 & 21 (heavily weighted in favour of sa & qld teams due to covid) Davies' tenure as Head of Football (commenced October 2014) has yielded 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19, 22. I don't see that as a pass.

 

[Doctor Feel]

Love his public persona, don't like the internal decisions.

 

[QPower]

All fans understand the frustration of the last 15 years.

The burn everything down crew though are well off the mark.

Davies is bloody good at what he does - look elsewhere for blame.

 

[Duck Farmer]

There are at least four senior figures within our club (Hinkley, Koch, Richardson, Jonas) I'd like to see f***ed off (probably in that order) before we get to Davies.

My thoughts as well. Davies is the least of our problems while Hinkley, Koch, and Richardson continue to stink the joint up.

 

[El_Scorcho]

While Davies is getting paid to be responsible for the Footy Dept, he's responsible for the Footy Dept. He's one of the list of key decision makers at the club who has either retained his position or left on his own terms in the past 8 years of failure. We've had significant issues around list management and coaching in that time. He's in charge of that department.

You can argue he's given the coaching staff every opportunity to succeed, but we haven't. Any genuine review into the club would be very closely assessing his decision making.

There is no point being a recruiting guru if you can't sort your coaching and list management out.

We don't know how much his hands are tied, all we know is we've been very well resourced but we haven't won a knockout final in 8 years.

 

[bomberclifford]

Wonder if he still plays Candy Crush?

 

[EskimoPAFC]

The players that come in and stay show that Davies is doing his job well.

The home and away win rate shows the players are good enough.

The responsibility of delivering success in big finals and big games is on the coaches. That's clearly where the problem is and has been for at least a decade. The only times we've actually done close to ok is when our coaching box has been properly resourced (A Richardson, Walsh, Schofield, etc).

 

[PowerBaz]

This thread seems like a ‘bored of off season thread’… going after Davies? The guy does a great job.

 

[Adz2332]

anyone in the recruiting, drafting trading and talent scouts can stay.

 

[P4Life]

While Davies is getting paid to be responsible for the Footy Dept, he's responsible for the Footy Dept. He's one of the list of key decision makers at the club who has either retained his position or left on his own terms in the past 8 years of failure. We've had significant issues around list management and coaching in that time. He's in charge of that department.

You can argue he's given the coaching staff every opportunity to succeed, but we haven't. Any genuine review into the club would be very closely assessing his decision making.

There is no point being a recruiting guru if you can't sort your coaching and list management out.

We don't know how much his hands are tied, all we know is we've been very well resourced but we haven't won a knockout final in 8 years.

What is wrong with our list management?
The profile of age, early draft picks and experience is excellent.
2 prelims in 3 years and the No 1 draft pick from a year ago doesn’t look to bad to me.
No salary cap problems.
I know the frustrations are there but barking up the wrong tree with that one.
If Davies has been sounded out twice by the head office about switching for what would be a significant pay increase and higher potential job position and decides to stay, I say thank you for your support.

 

[PowerLil]

Our results since 2015 would suggest that our football department isn't exactly humming.

 

[Jojay]

This thread seems like a ‘bored of off season thread’… going after Davies? The guy does a great job.

So much this.

Seriously, he's just had a great off season bringing in a potential legacy player and brought in a new senior assistant with decent credentials.

If he was to accept a gig from afl house, there would be melts on here. Really can't win.

 

[Alberton Proud]

Very happy living in Adelaide.

 

[Powerade 08]

What is wrong with our list management?

Thats like saying whats wrong with Keninkley, he has a good win rate.
Theres 15 years worth of threads about our list management, its been covered.

 

[P4Life]

Thats like saying whats wrong with Keninkley, he has a good win rate.
Theres 15 years worth of threads about our list management, its been covered.

Rather than giving a generic negative BF answer, explain what is wrong with the current list. I except a monster KPD would be nice but list managers and recruiters can only give you a list that has the ability to perform at the high level. I would suggest 2 prelims is evidence that the list is relatively strong.
Have your opinion on Ken Hinkley but don’t roll that out for Chris Davies and the list team

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This thread seems like a ‘bored of off season thread’… going after Davies? The guy does a great job.

This thread was started in August 2018 when we were on a run of 4 years of nothingness.

 

[El_Scorcho]

What is wrong with our list management?
The profile of age, early draft picks and experience is excellent.
2 prelims in 3 years and the No 1 draft pick from a year ago doesn’t look to bad to me.
No salary cap problems.
I know the frustrations are there but barking up the wrong tree with that one.
If Davies has been sounded out twice by the head office about switching for what would be a significant pay increase and higher potential job position and decides to stay, I say thank you for your support.

Throughout the Hinkley era we've seemingly had frustrating and easy to predict holes on our list holding us back. At the moment it's at KPD, but previously it's been in the ruck, elite mid and KPF.

We've frequently been required to shoehorn players out of position into key positions and ruck.

We get the players we go after the vast majority of the time, so our recruiting is very good, but our list management hasn't been ideal. We can blame Hinkley for this I guess for a lack of development, but again it's under Davies umbrella.

 

[El_Scorcho]

While Davies has been our footy boss we played Jackson Trengove

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as a ruckman and then a key forward. We played a key forward line of Ryder and Westhoff. We're playing Finlayson as a ruckman. We're playing undersized key defenders and getting burned. Over the years we've struggled with midfield, both elite and depth while having a sea of flankers on the list.

There is filling holes with players with transferable skillsets, and there is being caught with your pants down again and again. Davies is the footy dept boss. It's his job to manage this better.

I'm not saying I'd move Davies on, but he's not blameless. It's his responsibility.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

While Davies has been our footy boss we played Jackson Trengove as a ruckman and then a key forward. We played a key forward line of Ryder and Westhoff. We're playing Finlayson as a ruckman. We're playing undersized key defenders and getting burned. Over the years we've struggled with midfield, both elite and depth while having a sea of flankers on the list.

There is filling holes with players with transferable skillsets, and there is being caught with your pants down again and again. Davies is the footy dept boss. It's his job to manage this better.

I'm not saying I'd move Davies on, but he's not blameless. It's his responsibility.

I've said it before, but when it comes to rucks and KPP's our list management, recruiters and coaches are like the mechanics who when they have a problem with the carburettor, they go and take something out of the differential to try and fix it. And it continually fails.

We love recruiting in too many sexy little flakey flankers who when the going gets tough, against the best sides and cut throat finals, go missing.

 

[Schulzenfest]

While Davies has been our footy boss we played Jackson Trengove as a ruckman and then a key forward. We played a key forward line of Ryder and Westhoff. We're playing Finlayson as a ruckman. We're playing undersized key defenders and getting burned. Over the years we've struggled with midfield, both elite and depth while having a sea of flankers on the list.

There is filling holes with players with transferable skillsets, and there is being caught with your pants down again and again. Davies is the footy dept boss. It's his job to manage this better.

I'm not saying I'd move Davies on, but he's not blameless. It's his responsibility.

Is this list management's fault?

We had Marshall, Eddy and Frampton on our list when we played Trengove, Ryder and Westhoff as key forwards. We had Hayes on our list when we played Finlayson as a ruckman. The list managers can pick these guys for Hinkley but they can't make him play them.

The only real hole on the list is a KPD. That hole was only created because Hinkley didn't want to play a guy who is going to be a ten year KPD at AFL level in Dougal Howard (again, the list managers can deliver Ken the KPD he needs, but they can't force Ken to play him). And it would have been filled by now if not for Andrew Mackie being a campaigner who refused to trade a player in circumstances where every other club in the league bar maybe Essendon would have.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

CD is far from blameless, but he's one of the last I'm going after.

 

[Wargreymon90]

I love the contempt in his voice when anyone mentions the crows when asking him a question.