Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister of New Zealand

[Ned_Flanders]

Did he have any backers? As far as I can see, he was a loner and compete ******* nutter.

too early to say "backers"

he had his online supporters, but so far the connections being raised (mainly the mob in Austria) its only association, no info on degree of cooperation/encouragement/support/etc

 

[Malifice]

Yeah maybe a bit defensive there but I regularly get called a nazi, racist, bigot etc

Thats unfair.

You're only two of those things.

 

[Fat Yak]

He wasn't religious and didn't hate muslims, it takes a special sort of disturb person to do that.

 

[Fat Yak]

Thats unfair.

You're only two of those things.

Go **** your self Mal, remember, play the ball and all that.

 

[maryjames]

Haven’t taken notice of the shootings.. what’s the latest? Any conspiracies?

 

[Malifice]

Go **** your self Mal, remember, play the ball and all that.

Huh? I'm not insulting you; I'm just stating a fact. You frequently post racist and bigoted comments and like posts that do the same.

A racist is defined as 'a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another' and racism is defined as 'the state of being racist, i.e., subscribing to the belief that the human population can or should be classified into races with differential abilities and dispositions'.

In order to not be racist, both these statements need to be true:

1) You do not hold any prejudice against other races (Arabs, Sudanese, Aboriginal people etc), and
2) You think the human species is not (and can not be) classified into different biological races, each of which has differential abilities and dispositions.

Are those two statements truly reflective of your views?

Because unless I'm mistaken, you've directly argued the opposite in the past (and have supported others making the same arguments).

 

[medusala]

In order to not be racist, both these statements need to be true:
.

Only according to you Mal.

Stop derailing the thread with your quack theories.

 

[medusala]

Not sure how anyone can claim this is "right wing"

https://www.newstatesman.com/scienc...marrying-environmentalism-and-white-supremacy

Eco-fascism: The ideology marrying environmentalism and white supremacy thriving online

 

[Bradesmaen]

Only according to you Mal.

Stop derailing the thread with your quack theories.

Pot. Kettle. Muslim.

 

[shniko11]

Huh? I'm not insulting you; I'm just stating a fact. You frequently post racist and bigoted comments and like posts that do the same.

A racist is defined as 'a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another' and racism is defined as 'the state of being racist, i.e., subscribing to the belief that the human population can or should be classified into races with differential abilities and dispositions'.

In order to not be racist, both these statements need to be true:

1) You do not hold any prejudice against other races (Arabs, Sudanese, Aboriginal people etc), and
2) You think the human species is not (and can not be) classified into different biological races, each of which has differential abilities and dispositions.

Are those two statements truly reflective of your views?

Because unless I'm mistaken, you've directly argued the opposite in the past (and have supported others making the same arguments).

I thought he was right the first time you really should take his advice you might even enjoy it!

 

[Bradesmaen]

He wasn't religious and didn't hate muslims, it takes a special sort of disturb person to do that.

He didn't hate Muslims.. he only targeted them because they were closest to a mosque..

Come on now. Stop defending a racist ****wit because you also hate Muslims.

 

[Fat Yak]

Lots of dibble there Mal, what it comes down to, I have an option that is different to yours and you don't like it. I regularly get on the piss with my "brown" Jewish mate and my "brown" Kiwi mate and they have never called me a racist or a bigot but the all almighty Mal with his special "MOD" powers can call me what ever he ****ing well wonts.

 

[Malifice]

Haven’t taken notice of the shootings.. what’s the latest? Any conspiracies?

Rush Limbaugh blames 'the Left':

“There’s an ongoing theory that the shooter himself may, in fact, be a leftist who writes the manifesto and then goes out and performs the deed purposely to smear his political enemies, knowing he’s going to get shot in the process. You know you just can’t – you can’t immediately discount this. The left is this insane, they are this crazy. And then if that’s exactly what the guy is trying to do then he’s hit a home run, because right there on Fox News: ‘Shooter is an admitted white nationalist who hates immigrants.’”

As does Jones and Infowars (blames the 'Left' while simultaneously calling it a 'False Flag'):

https://www.infowars.com/false-flag-why-the-world-has-questions-about-christchurch/

The usual Right wing nutjobs basically are either blaming 'the Left' or calling it a False flag, or both.

The White nationalists are in the middle of praising the clown, while also saying it was a false flag orchestrated by Jews.

 

[Malifice]

Lots of dibble there Mal.

You didnt answer the question.

Let me ask you again; do you think Arabs or Sudanese people (for example) are each a discrete biological race (with their own biological racial traits and racially influenced disposition)?

And if so, do you hold any prejudices against either of those races (as a group)?

If you answer 'Yes' to either question you're a racist. It doesn't matter how many 'non-white' friends you have.

Be honest. You and I both know the answer.

 

[medusala]

Pot. Kettle. Muslim.

Pier, jetty, pinocchio.

 

[Malifice]

Only according to you Mal.

Yeah, because I wrote the OED. I took the definition from there.

Currently the OED defines it [racism] as: 'The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.'

Racism was first defined in the OED (2nd edition, 1989) as "[t]he theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race";

But yeah that's just 'my' definition I guess. I'm so sneaky I not only got 'my' definition in the OED, but built a time machine and put it there in 1989, 30 years before this debate, just in case.

 

[medusala]

Rush Limbaugh blames 'the Left':

Didnt he describe himself as an eco fascist? On what possible basis is that right wing?

You seem particularly blinkered on this topic.

Racism was first defined in the OED (2nd edition, 1989) as "[t]he theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race";
.

Distinctive human characteristics. Yeah like skin and eye colour etc. You fell at the first hurdle. Well done.

 

[Malifice]

Didnt he describe himself as an eco fascist? On what possible basis is that right wing?

fascism

NOUN

An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fascism

 

[Malifice]

You're not going to try and argue that fascism is 'Left wing' are you Meds?

You dont believe that yourself so why push it?

It just makes you look like a partisan goose.

 

[medusala]

fascism

NOUN

An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fascism

Another fail by you. Fascism no matter what the BBC tells you is NOT right wing. Its roots are in socialism.

You only have to see the policies of BNP, FN to see they are far more in line with socialism than conservatism.

 

[medusala]

You're not going to try and argue that fascism is 'Left wing' are you Meds?

.

its a statement of fact.

 

[Malifice]

its a statement of fact.

No, it's not a 'statement of fact' for anyone other than yourself. Literally every single scholar disagrees with you. The OED disagrees with your definition for ****s sake.

Find me a reputable scholar that makes the claim that 'Fascism is Left wing.' Find me one.

You pandering that utter bullshit just rubbishes your other arguments. I say this as someone who's had a number of discussions with you over the years, you may be a conservative nationalist British twat, but you're not an idiot. I mean you're either a troll pandering something you know to be false, or I've seriously misjudged your intelligence.

You have this weird view that equates socialism with 'left wing' when it isnt (although there is frequent correlation between socialist economic policies and Left wing political parties). This then leads you to the utterly absurd position of arguing Fascism and Nazism to be left wing ideologies.

 

[Fat Yak]

You didnt answer the question.

Let me ask you again; do you think Arabs or Sudanese people (for example) are each a discrete biological race (with their own biological racial traits and racially influenced disposition)?

And if so, do you hold any prejudices against either of those races (as a group)?

If you answer 'Yes' to either question you're a racist. It doesn't matter how many 'non-white' friends you have.

Be honest. You and I both know the answer.

With my work, I mix with Arabs, Sudanese, Afghani, ****ing Irish and Kiwi people, I don't have a problem with any of them, well maybe some of the Irish ****ers. I do struggle with those that can't speak English (Scotsmen) If any one talks religion to me, it's all out war on what a backward campaigners they are.
Whats you point Mal?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Not sure how anyone can claim this is "right wing"

https://www.newstatesman.com/scienc...marrying-environmentalism-and-white-supremacy

Eco-fascism: The ideology marrying environmentalism and white supremacy thriving online

This

...Eco-fascists believe that living in the original regions a race is meant to have originated in and shunning multiculturalism is the only way to save the planet they prioritise above all else....

seems pretty ultra-right (and ultra wrong, it must be said) to me!

 

[Malifice]

With my work, I mix with Arabs, Sudanese, Afghani, ******* Irish and Kiwi people

That wasnt the question. I wasnt asking you the ethnicity of people you work with.

I was asking you:

1) Do you think 'Arabs' or 'Sudanese' people (or 'Chinese' or 'White' people) and similar are each a discrete biological race (with their own biological racial traits and racially influenced disposition)?

And

2) Do you hold any prejudices against any races (as a group) based on these differences and disposition?