Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Satan]

Kooyong is marginal now

kooyong is fedaral

 

[The Punter]

Kooyong is marginal now

Pretty close to the SRL

Not at all close to the West

 

[Saint]

Delayed due to the airport cracking the shits of what type of station they wanted.

Given that's been sorted It will kick off again soon.

We can't keep building out with urban sprawl. The only way is up.

Airport Rail is not on the agenda at all. The whole team and people were disbanded. The airport built an elevated road in the way. It also wouldn't solve any of the problems to do with population growth.

Much better to spend the money on Western Rail Plan and road upgrades (because the vast majority of people still drive and don't work in the CBD).

 

[peetoo]

How many rural roads cost $90B?

How many built in the last 50 years?

 

[Jane Doe]

Looking forward to watching the commonwealth games in 2026 from glasgow paid for by us. How anyone can justify this. Terrible government.

 

[Sttew]

How many built in the last 50 years?

Don't know but no doubt all were funded unlike SRL. The $2.2B Fed funding is now looking decidedly shaky and it represents a fraction of the total cost.

In 2014 Fed Labor member Anna Burke said this about EW Link - “This is a truck tunnel, an $18bn truck tunnel that will see no other project built in Victoria from here to eternity.”

This is what Dan said about EW Link in 2014 - "I've described the East West Link as rushed, botched, costly and secretive, (and) that secrecy must come to an end."

It is so uncanny. Both could have been speaking about SRL...

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Airport Rail is not on the agenda at all. The whole team and people were disbanded. The airport built an elevated road in the way. It also wouldn't solve any of the problems to do with population growth.

Much better to spend the money on Western Rail Plan and road upgrades (because the vast majority of people still drive and don't work in the CBD).

Work begins on Sunshine Station upgrades for Melbourne air rail

An investment of $63.5 million will be made in the detailed design work, which will include additional platforms, track and bridge works, and signalling improvements. Six trains per hour are expected to Melbourne Airport once the rail link is complete.

australianaviation.com.au

The first bit of the Airport rail is kicking back off again.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Moira Deemings kid's are obviously a lot cluier than she is.

Moira Deeming’s young children began saying ‘my mum’s a Nazi’ amid rally controversy, affidavit claims

Federal court releases tranche of documents from Victorian MP’s defamation case against state Liberal leader John Pesutto

www.theguardian.com

Just comes across as absolute victim. She is so toxic. From the Trump school of being a moron but latching on to a political trend for personal gain.

 

[Saint]

Work begins on Sunshine Station upgrades for Melbourne air rail

An investment of $63.5 million will be made in the detailed design work, which will include additional platforms, track and bridge works, and signalling improvements. Six trains per hour are expected to Melbourne Airport once the rail link is complete.

australianaviation.com.au

The first bit of the Airport rail is kicking back off again.

That's just finishing stuff they were half-way through. When they start talking about the viaduct and stations, that's when they're being serious.

 

[Sttew]

Another cash bonus for 54,000 public servants. When you’ve got it spend it!

 

[Crankyhawk]

Maybe but our state planning laws are appalling. No requirement to provide car parking for all apartments and apartment sizes can be ridiculously small. A block was planned opposite where we live in a tiny street with six street parking bays. The proposed block was going to be 10 storeys, 40+ apartments, with only 20 car parking bays. Luckily VCAT rejected it. But with the state stripping councils of planning veto you just wonder what will get past the keeper now.

Thought part of green urban design was to deliberately have less car spaces than apartments to encourage non car use. I have seen this promoted in some of the apartment sales brochures

 

[Crankyhawk]

Court case.

If it gets little media coverage (or just highlight more free kicks that the state government are giving via **** up) I think the voting public might forget.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Probably because it's not a good idea to build 15,000 homes in Beveridge and push 15,000 new commutes onto an overloaded Hume Fwy and Seymour V/Line service.

Seems to be where they are also putting a lot of ndis supported independent living. Unfortunately the local area mental health service nearest office (as many of the clients have coexisting mental health needs) is all the way in Seymour…

 

[Crankyhawk]

Where’s the Airport Rail
No shovels digging

Where’s the Melton Rail Electrification
Where’s the Wyndham Vale Rail Electrification

Labor lie and lie and continue to lie. Without punishment.

But it’s ok we will build the Suburban Rail Loop whilst we turn your nice suburb into a mass sprawl of 20 story ugly high rises overlooking your backyard. Worked so well for Box Hill hasn’t it … they look disgusting and ugly.

Just imagine beautiful Cheltenham with disgusting high rises, nearly walking distance from the beach mind you. Or rustic, working class Clayton - where people worked hard to have a nice functioning house, with peace. They didn’t work their backsides off to have mass sprawl over their backyards. Even Clarinda, one of Melbourne’s most unique suburbs, yep let’s turn that into a mass sprawl too.

The character of suburbs is being destroyed by Labor. The Subrubam Rail Loop only seeks to achieve this destruction. But that’s fine, keep pumping people into this state, there’s a house for all of them. Or why don’t you let people live in peace for once, nope can’t do that.

Inner suburb character? **** em.
In addition **** the health changes that have my outer metro hospital getting financially penalised to subsidise incompetent and inefficient hospitals. So my sympathy to the inner suburbs is going to be ****ing non existent

 

[1990crow]

Another cash bonus for 54,000 public servants. When you’ve got it spend it!

Public servants salary increases per year (%) are less than private business. Nowhere near inflation either.
Just ignore that why don't you.

 

[Saint]

I don't know where the so-called support for SRL is coming from. I've not spoken to one person who thinks it's a good idea and most of those people are in eastern Melbourne or professionals who work in the industry.

 

[Rob R]

I don't know where the so-called support for SRL is coming from. I've not spoken to one person who thinks it's a good idea and most of those people are in eastern Melbourne or professionals who work in the industry.

Donors to the ALP who got rich construction and consultancy jobs off it especially the ones who paid for Dan's overseas junket

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[peetoo]

I don't know where the so-called support for SRL is coming from. I've not spoken to one person who thinks it's a good idea and most of those people are in eastern Melbourne or professionals who work in the industry.

Spoken like a politician

 

[Saint]

Donors to the ALP who got rich construction and consultancy jobs off it especially the ones who paid for Dan's overseas junket

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All the actual consultants think it's a joke and will be the death of the industry for over a decade. You won't hear it publicly because all the companies they work for don't want to spoil their chances of winning the work.

At industry events, it's mocked and derided. They had to pay 10% over what the other rail jobs were paying to get people to move to a project nobody wants. Even then, they only got the staff when RPV and Airport Rail were canned and all the people who couldn't get a job anywhere else went to SRLA.

 

[peetoo]

All the actual consultants think it's a joke and will be the death of the industry for over a decade. You won't hear it publicly because all the companies they work for don't want to spoil their chances of winning the work.

At industry events, it's mocked and derided. They had to pay 10% over what the other rail jobs were paying to get people to move to a project nobody wants. Even then, they only got the staff when RPV and Airport Rail were canned and all the people who couldn't get a job anywhere else went to SRLA.

The industry actually died under Bailleu napthine

Actually died not a Murdoch press fantasy

 

[Saint]

The industry actually died under Bailleu napthine

Actually died not a Murdoch press fantasy

Not really, that was a bit of a low, but nothing like what the industry is facing now, off the back of being repeatedly injected with steroids for a decade.

There are people with 10 years' experience in an industry where everybody got easy gigs on mega-projects and felt v.important who are now completely oblivious to what the alternative facing them looks like.

The great irony is to look back at the invention of Infrastructure Victoria which was founded by Andrews to stop political project announcements ignoring professional advice. Then less than a decade later, they announced SRL deliberately avoiding professional advice.....

 

[The Punter]

Not really, that was a bit of a low, but nothing like what the industry is facing now, off the back of being repeatedly injected with steroids for a decade.

There are people with 10 years' experience in an industry where everybody got easy gigs on mega-projects and felt v.important who are now completely oblivious to what the alternative facing them looks like.

The great irony is to look back at the invention of Infrastructure Victoria which was founded by Andrews to stop political project announcements ignoring professional advice. Then less than a decade later, they announced SRL deliberately avoiding professional advice.....

It's because Infrastructure Victoria was created for a political purpose which caused a problem for an infrastructure project devised for a political purpose.

 

[Saint]

It's because Infrastructure Victoria was created for a political purpose which caused a problem for an infrastructure project devised for a political purpose.

That's the irony. They think (and could be right) that the electorate has the memory of goldfish.

IV is now also a home for not-quite-academics and not-quite-consultants.

Check out their latest for "WTF am I supposed to do with this".....

Digital technology and infrastructure productivity

 

[peetoo]

Not really, that was a bit of a low, but nothing like what the industry is facing now, off the back of being repeatedly injected with steroids for a decade.

There are people with 10 years' experience in an industry where everybody got easy gigs on mega-projects and felt v.important who are now completely oblivious to what the alternative facing them looks like.

The great irony is to look back at the invention of Infrastructure Victoria which was founded by Andrews to stop political project announcements ignoring professional advice. Then less than a decade later, they announced SRL deliberately avoiding professional advice.....

A bit of a low? The industry was that govts greatest critic. You are gaslighting us ol mate


Or maybe you can put up or shut up with ‘all the people I talk to’

 

[Sttew]

A bit of a low? The industry was that govts greatest critic. You are gaslighting us ol mate


Or maybe you can put up or shut up with ‘all the people I talk to’

Who really cares what the Baillieu & Napthine governments did or didn't do? Labor has been in government since 2014. A decade.

Do you know why the Allen government has so far not submitted a Business Case for SRL to Infrastructure Australia? Because it has no plans at all to see the entire project through to finality. Allen said, "That will be for future governments". In other words, we'll build Cheltenham to Box Hill, and if future governments want to finish SRL that's on them...

Infrastructure Australia is saying "An underground railway line between Cheltenham and Box Hill simply does not stack up" and secret government modelling has proven this to be the case with patronage numbers well below what is considered viable.