Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Deliverance]

I'm only talking about estates which are already opened. And again, density in those areas is a lot more dense than the areas which got train lines 100 years ago like Glen Waverley and Lilydale and even Sandringham.

Are we really saying "We can't afford the infrastructure for medium density housing because we can barely afford to maintain the many more services we're providing to low-density areas"? It's only exacerbating the inequality.

Sorry new families, we can only afford apartments for you because we need to upgrade the trains through leafy Box Hill, Glen Waverley and Southland. It's a crap argument.

Lol, have you been to Glen Waverley recently? It's extremely densely populated and getting denser. Much more populated than Tarneit for example.

 

[10571z]

There’s one area down near Cranbourne with lots of estates that was supposed to get a new fire station built to service the area.

But of course the governments run out of money and it’s still not built. Last year there was a house fire that spread to 2 houses right across the road from the vacant block of land…

This governments incompetence will cost lives, but that’s alright because someone in 50 years can visit all the Unis on a train line.

The labour government cannot manage money. Pure and Simple. They've had free reign for a long time and this is what we have to show. The amount they blow on useless garbage is beyond belief as well.

 

[eddiesmith]

The labour government cannot manage money. Pure and Simple. They've had free reign for a long time and this is what we have to show. The amount they blow on useless garbage is beyond belief as well.

The only defence the blind loyalists have left is, oh it’d be worse under the LNP so we’d be better off continuing on this downward spiral…

 

[10571z]

The only defence the blind loyalists have left is, oh it’d be worse under the LNP so we’d be better off continuing on this downward spiral…

The entire system is out of control. The CFMEU, Government Jobs, Public Servants, Crippling Bureaucracy. We need a revolution not an election.

 

[nut]

The sky is falling

 

[kalex6251]

just finished watching severance ...... some in here might benefit from the procedure that sits at the heart of the story ..... case in point

The entire system is out of control. The CFMEU, Government Jobs, Public Servants, Crippling Bureaucracy. We need a revolution not an election.

at the very least, these people should do a complete media detox ...... breath in the fresh air .... and go for a long ******** walk ....... jeezus h

 

[Deliverance]

The labour government cannot manage money. Pure and Simple. They've had free reign for a long time and this is what we have to show. The amount they blow on useless garbage is beyond belief as well.

Every budget they ran was cash flow positive up until the global pandemic.

 

[Sttew]

Every budget they ran was cash flow positive up until the global pandemic.

Big deal. The fiscal position is now well out of control and Victorians are paying dearly for the financial ineptitude of this Labor Government.

Are you happy with the performance of this government?

 

[Deliverance]

Big deal. The fiscal position is now well out of control and Victorians are paying dearly for the financial ineptitude of this Labor Government.

Are you happy with the performance of this government?

Every government regardless of lnp or alp hit record debt during the global pandemic, except WA, who locked the world out.

Yes, I'm happy. Still Australia's most liveable city. Biggest concerts, biggest sporting events, vibrant and busy social scene. Property prices easing. Major infrastructure being built. High education standards as measured by naplan. Free take courses. God awful level crossings removed

There's a reason we regularly have some of the highest net migration rates in the country.

What are you unhappy with specifically?

 

[Rob R]

The entire system is out of control. The CFMEU, Government Jobs, Public Servants, Crippling Bureaucracy. We need a revolution not an election.

Senior public.servants, most junior public servants work hard and hate the crap senior public servants direct to suit their future career desires

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[10571z]

just finished watching severance ...... some in here might benefit from the procedure that sits at the heart of the story ..... case in point



at the very least, these people should do a complete media detox ...... breath in the fresh air .... and go for a long ******** walk ....... jeezus h

You know there was a time people could have 1 person work and afford to live a decent life for a family at an average job?

 

[Deliverance]

You know there was a time people could have 1 person work and afford to live a decent life for a family at an average job?

Ah, good times, before Howard's CGT discount kicked off the housing crisis. That guy was an economic vandal. Almost as bad as Korman who was deliberately suppressing wages. Disinvestment in social housing is a pox on all pollies

 

[Saint]

Lol, have you been to Glen Waverley recently? It's extremely densely populated and getting denser. Much more populated than Tarneit for example.

The planned centre of Tarneit around the station is far more dense than anywhere outside the very centre of Glen Waverley. I grew up in the area. Most of the change has been replacing 70's homes with McMansions, no increased density of people, just bigger houses.

Go two streets away from the high school and the blocks are twice as big as Tarneit blocks.

 

[Saint]

Clearly it's not priced appropriately if there's stacks on the market.

It's the build price, you can't build an apartment much cheaper than that. It's why they can't build new ones because they're struggling to sell the old ones. And apartments depreciate while land appreciates.

If we don't have a big influx of international students, we won't have people to fill the existing apartments, let alone all these theoretical future ones which have been used justify the SRL build.

Building infrastructure for imaginary future people is worse than building it for existing people in existing estates. I don't think that should be controversial!

 

[Jane Doe]

Am I able to mention the pathetic bail system we have in this state? Crickets from Spring Street after the tragic crash in Footscray yesterday.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

The planned centre of Tarneit around the station is far more dense than anywhere outside the very centre of Glen Waverley. I grew up in the area. Most of the change has been replacing 70's homes with McMansions, no increased density of people, just bigger houses.

You obviously missed all those houses getting knocked down a subdivided into two town houses.

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

You obviously missed all those houses getting knocked down a subdivided into two town houses.

Even Pascoe Vale, where a lot more townhouses go up due to different council attitudes than in the east, wouldn't be as dense as Tarneit. It's easily viewable on Google maps on satellite, the small lot code is being absolutely abused in a lot of new estates.

 

[kalex6251]

You know there was a time people could have 1 person work and afford to live a decent life for a family at an average job?

do us all a favour ..... spare us ya trad wife handmaids tale fan fiction fantasies .... and go for that long walk

 

[Saint]

You obviously missed all those houses getting knocked down a subdivided into two town houses.

Only a small % of blocks has seen that happen, and most of them are splits to make the blocks the same size as Tarneit. Blocks in Tarneit are ~400sqm, the old blocks in GW are about 800sqm. And since most of the blocks are all new McMansions, they won't be knocked down for 30 years. The densification around GW to justify taking SRL up that hill is imaginary. They might as well have gone the straight line through Mt Waverley which has more scope for high density because there's a lot of blocks which haven't been McMansioned yet.

Have a look at Fernhill Street or Rose Ave or Barbara Ave. None of those houses are going anywhere. And more than half the 800m walking catchment of the GW SRL station will be exactly the same.

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Only a small % of blocks has seen that happen, and most of them are splits to make the blocks the same size as Tarneit. Blocks in Tarneit are ~400sqm, the old blocks in GW are about 800sqm. And since most of the blocks are all new McMansions, they won't be knocked down for 30 years. The densification around GW to justify taking SRL up that hill is imaginary. They might as well have gone the straight line through Mt Waverley which has more scope for high density because there's a lot of blocks which haven't been McMansioned yet.

Have a look at Fernhill Street or Rose Ave or Barbara Ave. None of those houses are going anywhere. And more than half the 800m walking catchment of the GW SRL station will be exactly the same.

It might be a small percentage now but once the money gets too good to ignore it will kick off.

The McMansions won't last as long as the stuff it replaced

Go for a ride down the Dandenong line.

You'll see the future of Glen Waverley just from the rail line

 

[Saint]

It might be a small percentage now but once the money gets too good to ignore it will kick off.

The McMansions won't last as long as the stuff it replaced

Go for a ride down the Dandenong line.

You'll see the future of Glen Waverley just from the rail line

I can't think of an instance where a <10 year old McMansion has been replaced by units. Older houses along Burwood Highway all got replaced by Units but I'm yet to see a McMansion be torn down.

SRL missed the re-development boat in GW. Nobody is knocking these things down for apartment-living.

 

[Sttew]

What are you unhappy with specifically?

Where do I begin? Off the top of my head -

• Law & Order - the government claims to have implemented the "toughest bail laws" in Australia. They are anything but that and the government's claims are an absolute LIE! When an individual can commit a serious crime while out on bail for the 50th time, and when a person on bail for car theft can steal a truck and kill an unsuspecting motorist, you know things are bad. Yet, we hear nothing from the government and if the government does make a comment it will be the typical glib, "our bail laws are the toughest in the country".
• Housing - hip hip hooray that house prices are coming down! But at what price? Developers and investors are steering clear of Victoria. Victoria has the highest property tax rates in Australia. Any chance of high rise apartments being constructed by developers around the new activity centres will simply NEVER happen.
• Roads - an abject failure and embarrassment. Major roads littered with pot holes and no maintenance of verges and median strips. Drive out on the Monash Freeway and get off at Toorak RD. Weeds growing to 2 metres in height. No exaggeration., Road signage is defaced with graffiti, predominantly the bird graffiti. The government has completely given up on graffiti. Road maintenance funding was slashed by 67% in the last budget. Instead of fixing potholes speed limits on major arterial roads have been cut. Of course, the state will miraculously find funds to repair the roads before the next election, but in the meantime...
• The Public Service - more than 325,000 people (259,791 FTE) are employed by the Public Service. Doing what for ****'s sake? The wages bill grew from $18.5 billion in 2014-15 to $36.5 billion in 2024-25. On 27/12/24 the government quietly announced the wages bill for this year had blown out by $2.7B. How the **** does that happen when we are in a financial pickle? And despite the exponential growth of the public service, its use of consultants has also grown exponentially. So we are using more consultants to do the work that the over inflated public service could or should be doing.
• COVID - Victorians are still paying in so many ways for this government's heavy-handed approach to lockdowns. More businesses in Melbourne have either have gone to the wall or relocated interstate. And what is the government's solution to pay down the Covid debt? Slug businesses and property owners with new taxes.
• SRL - in theory it may be nice to have an underground line between Cheltenham and Box Hill, but it is unaffordable in 2025. There is no business case for the entire project, nor does the government have any guaranteed funding. Yet works plough on. Who the **** is paying for the current works? Taxpayers. And everyday we are seeing evidence of costs being cut across other services no doubt because all the government's eggs are in the SRL basket.
• Lack of transparency and lies - I have never known a state government to be so secretive, deceitful and obtuse as the Andrews and Allan governments. Treat Victorians like mushrooms must be its official mantra! Feed Victorians shit and keep them in the dark! A good example was the Commonwealth Games fiasco. A week before Dam pulled the pin, Jacinta told a Parliamentary Committee that everything was "on track". The government never had any intention holding the games. This government has also spent more fighting FOI applications than any government because it does not believe Victorians have a right to know how decisions are made. When Andrews became Premier he vowed to make his government transparent.

I could go on...

As for your claim this government can take credit for the "biggest concerts, biggest sporting events, vibrant and busy social scene", what a load of rubbish.

 

[10571z]

Where do I begin? Off the top of my head -

• Law & Order - the government claims to have implemented the "toughest bail laws" in Australia. They are anything but that and the government's claims are an absolute LIE! When an individual can commit a serious crime while out on bail for the 50th time, and when a person on bail for car theft can steal a truck and kill an unsuspecting motorist, you know things are bad. Yet, we hear nothing from the government and if the government does make a comment it will be the typical glib, "our bail laws are the toughest in the country".
• Housing - hip hip hooray that house prices are coming down! But at what price? Developers and investors are steering clear of Victoria. Victoria has the highest property tax rates in Australia. Any chance of high rise apartments being constructed by developers around the new activity centres will simply NEVER happen.
• Roads - an abject failure and embarrassment. Major roads littered with pot holes and no maintenance of verges and median strips. Drive out on the Monash Freeway and get off at Toorak RD. Weeds growing to 2 metres in height. No exaggeration., Road signage is defaced with graffiti, predominantly the bird graffiti. The government has completely given up on graffiti. Road maintenance funding was slashed by 67% in the last budget. Instead of fixing potholes speed limits on major arterial roads have been cut. Of course, the state will miraculously find funds to repair the roads before the next election, but in the meantime...
• The Public Service - more than 325,000 people (259,791 FTE) are employed by the Public Service. Doing what for *'s sake? The wages bill grew from $18.5 billion in 2014-15 to $36.5 billion in 2024-25. On 27/12/24 the government quietly announced the wages bill for this year had blown out by $2.7B. How the * does that happen when we are in a financial pickle? And despite the exponential growth of the public service, its use of consultants has also grown exponentially. So we are using more consultants to do the work that the over inflated public service could or should be doing.
• COVID - Victorians are still paying in so many ways for this government's heavy-handed approach to lockdowns. More businesses in Melbourne have either have gone to the wall or relocated interstate. And what is the government's solution to pay down the Covid debt? Slug businesses and property owners with new taxes.
• SRL - in theory it may be nice to have an underground line between Cheltenham and Box Hill, but it is unaffordable in 2025. There is no business case for the entire project, nor does the government have any guaranteed funding. Yet works plough on. Who the **** is paying for the current works? Taxpayers. And everyday we are seeing evidence of costs being cut across other services no doubt because all the government's eggs are in the SRL basket.
• Lack of transparency and lies - I have never known a state government to be so secretive, deceitful and obtuse as the Andrews and Allan governments. Treat Victorians like mushrooms must be its official mantra! Feed Victorians shit and keep them in the dark! A good example was the Commonwealth Games fiasco. A week before Dam pulled the pin, Jacinta told a Parliamentary Committee that everything was "on track". The government never had any intention holding the games. This government has also spent more fighting FOI applications than any government because it does not believe Victorians have a right to know how decisions are made. When Andrews became Premier he vowed to make his government transparent.

I could go on...

As for your claim this government can take credit for the "biggest concerts, biggest sporting events, vibrant and busy social scene", what a load of rubbish.

Spot on. They are a shambles. The public service bill is the worst.

 

[10571z]

Every government regardless of lnp or alp hit record debt during the global pandemic, except WA, who locked the world out.

Yes, I'm happy. Still Australia's most liveable city. Biggest concerts, biggest sporting events, vibrant and busy social scene. Property prices easing. Major infrastructure being built. High education standards as measured by naplan. Free take courses. God awful level crossings removed

There's a reason we regularly have some of the highest net migration rates in the country.

What are you unhappy with specifically?

Victoria handled the pandemic the worst. A pre schooler literally could have designed a more robust quarantine system. They literally locked us down so many times due to the complete failure of the goverment.

 

[peetoo]

Victoria handled the pandemic the worst. A pre schooler literally could have designed a more robust quarantine system. They literally locked us down so many times due to the complete failure of the goverment.

Was mainly abetted by the neoliberal fetish of outsourcing everything and the gig economy.

But yes labor govts today share that fetish.