Oppo Camp Jack Ginnivan (Traded to Hawks 2023)

[Soups]

Will fast become a fan favourite this kid. One that opposition fans will hate too, I am tipping

Him teaming up with Elliott in the forward line this year is going to be fun to watch

 

[adammania9]

Tom Papley

11

Tom Papley

Age

28

Ht

177cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

12.3

3star

K

8.9

4star

HB

3.4

2star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.5

2star

G

2.4

5star

D

13.4

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.6

5star

kicked 30 goals at 20 years old. There’s Ginni’s target

 

[grayza2018]

Really looking forward to what he can produce this year, just a smart footballer

 

[Jen2310]

Tom Papley kicked 30 goals at 20 years old. There’s Ginni’s target

He's got another 12 months then, given he only just turned 19 in december lol

But given he kicked 6 goals in 4? games last year. If he plays most weeks, 25 would be doable. especially with how we are more attacking.

 

[Gaspard]

The only negative I see is his habit of playing for frees. The umpires don't like it and will soon become very reluctant to pay them. Everything else about his game reeks of potential.

 

[Kappa]

The only negative I see is his habit of playing for frees. The umpires don't like it and will soon become very reluctant to pay them. Everything else about his game reeks of potential.

They never stopped giving Selwood frees.

 

[jonbe54]

The only negative I see is his habit of playing for frees. The umpires don't like it and will soon become very reluctant to pay them. Everything else about his game reeks of potential.

Kevin Bartlett says hi as does duckwood.

If the frees are blatantly there - regardless of what the umpires feel personally about the player - they will pay it.

Unless you happen to be a 7 foot tall Texan - and then good luck.

 

[TradeDraft]

Will fast become a fan favourite this kid. One that opposition fans will hate too, I am tipping

Him teaming up with Elliott in the forward line this year is going to be fun to watch

Typical Small Forward

 

[TradeDraft]

The only negative I see is his habit of playing for frees. The umpires don't like it and will soon become very reluctant to pay them. Everything else about his game reeks of potential.

Some of Superstars get away with that

 

[jmac70]

The only negative I see is his habit of playing for frees. The umpires don't like it and will soon become very reluctant to pay them. Everything else about his game reeks of potential.

I really doubt that.

 

[jonbe54]

Some of Superstars get away with that

Very true TD but duckwood has been a stager since his first game.

He is very sly in getting himself into positions that give the impression he wants.

And to those who think that is just clever play - not saying you TD - it's not clever - it's sly and underhanded.

 

[pablo disco bar]

If he didn't play for Collingwood I would HATE him

But he does

I like the kid

 

[Obese Arachnid]

The only negative I see is his habit of playing for frees. The umpires don't like it and will soon become very reluctant to pay them. Everything else about his game reeks of potential.

It's an admirable trait in players today.

 

[sr36]

The only negative I see is his habit of playing for frees. The umpires don't like it and will soon become very reluctant to pay them. Everything else about his game reeks of potential.

The'll still pay high contact when it occurs and he'll drop the shoulder and lean in to make sure it occurs. I was worried at first and thought that he'd play for it when better options were on, but am now satisfied that he's smart enough to only go that route when there's nothing else on, or as a method to break a tackle and get his arms free as part of going for something else, which is what I think Selwood has generally done. Selwood method is still trying to make the play, burt in a way that also makes him likely to get frees - I'm happy with that - it's when a bloke puts himself out of a contest in an effort to get a free that it really does my head in..

 

[manicpie]

We need to go right back to when we first took him and you will see that I said he kicked 119 goals in the under 14's. i said he would be star right back then. his dad is a legend of the country league Ginni played in, kicking over 100 goals almost every year. he was born to kick goals and will easily kick over 30. Once builds up his core strength and gets really confident in himself he wiil kick 50 plus

 

[jonbe54]

The'll still pay high contact when it occurs and he'll drop the shoulder and lean in to make sure it occurs. I was worried at first and thought that he'd play for it when better options were on, but am now satisfied that he's smart enough to only go that route when there's nothing else on, or as a method to break a tackle and get his arms free as part of going for something else, which is what I think Selwood has generally done. Selwood method is still trying to make the play, burt in a way that also makes him likely to get frees - I'm happy with that - it's when a bloke puts himself out of a contest in an effort to get a free that it really does my head in..

Disagree on Selwood - a number of times on replays, and that is instant replays on closeup vision - I have seen him actually deliberately positioning his head and running into an opposition hand.

There was no room for doubt - it was premeditated and deliberate and caught on replay.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I am reading Papley comparisons and I think that’s an admirable and achievable target.

We have desperately missed a goal kicking small forward since Dids…… last one was Krakouer and that was only two years as he was picked up late in his career.

As much as I like mccreery, it’s an offensive forward like Ginnivan who can improve the team.

 

[sr36]

Disagree on Selwood - a number of times on replays, and that is instant replays on closeup vision - I have seen him actually deliberately positioning his head and running into an opposition hand.

There was no room for doubt - it was premeditated and deliberate and caught on replay.

Agree, but I also think it's premeditated when Ginnivan drops his shoulder at a tackler to try to get high contact.

What I meant was that when Selwood does what he does, he's generally not only playing for a free - he also tries to keep going when the whistle doesn't come. I don't have any general objection to players drawing frees, but I hate it when a Collingwood player puts themselves out of a contest by trying to draw a free. If you're playing for a high contact free, you've still got to be trying to get the ball moving if there is something else on, or at the very least, if there is nothing on - ensuring a stoppage.

 

[jonbe54]

Agree, but I also think it's premeditated when Ginnivan drops his shoulder at a tackler to try to get high contact.

What I meant was that when Selwood does what he does, he's generally not only playing for a free - he also tries to keep going when the whistle doesn't come. I don't have any general objection to players drawing frees, but I hate it when a Collingwood player puts themselves out of a contest by trying to draw a free. If you're playing for a high contact free, you've still got to be trying to get the ball moving if there is something else on, or at the very least, if there is nothing on - ensuring a stoppage.

Look I have no problem with acknowledging Selwood's courage or skill - but - when you deliberately aim your head and run at an opposition players hand that's beyond the pale for me.

I don't dislike Selwood but I am disgusted at such courage and skill being polluted by crass opportunism.

What infuriates me is there is no way the umpiring panel can not be aware that he does it, by turning a blind eye they encourage it and so our game becomes a little bit more like soccer where staging is endemic and youngsters seeing him getting away with it are encouraged to copy.

 

[sr36]

I am reading Papley comparisons and I think that’s an admirable and achievable target.

We have desperately missed a goal kicking small forward since Dids…… last one was Krakouer and that was only two years as he was picked up late in his career.

As much as I like mccreery, it’s an offensive forward like Ginnivan who can improve the team.

I don't see his style as being similar to Papley yet. Papley just gets front and centre and then moving through the contest at the fall of the ball every single time. That hasn't been the way Ginnivan has played so far. Probably more like Dids

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I don't see his style as being similar to Papley yet. Papley just gets front and centre and then moving through the contest at the fall of the ball every single time. That hasn't been the way Ginnivan has played so far. Probably more like Dids

Dids will do

 

[VinnieB]

The only negative I see is his habit of playing for frees. The umpires don't like it and will soon become very reluctant to pay them. Everything else about his game reeks of potential.

The only frees he gets are for above the shoulder and most times the free is there.
Similar to the Bulldogs’ Weightman. I think it’s just bad tackling technique against smaller (annoying) opponents.

I haven't seen a real pattern emerge of him playing for frees.

 

[VinnieB]

Look I have no problem with acknowledging Selwood's courage or skill - but - when you deliberately aim your head and run at an opposition players hand that's beyond the pale for me.

I don't dislike Selwood but I am disgusted at such courage and skill being polluted by crass opportunism.

What infuriates me is there is no way the umpiring panel can not be aware that he does it, by turning a blind eye they encourage it and so our game becomes a little bit more like soccer where staging is endemic and youngsters seeing him getting away with it are encouraged to copy.

I think you are over-reacting to be honest.

 

[Hong Kong Pie]

Loved what have seen so far - seems to have a natural football brain and exceptional goal sense. Very excited to see how he can take advantage of our (hopefully) more attacking ball movement this year.

 

[Scodog10]

I called it last year. The next Milne!