Jack Gunston - Hawthorn bound

[longdonkey]

That's it?

He didn't sign the contract Adelaide offered? They expected him to and he didn't and now the whole club is acting like he's done the ultimate misdeed?

That's just juvenile. If he broke a contract or something like that I could understand, but this is just a player who has come to a contract review and decided to look elsewhere.

The issue is they believe the press that is written about them which they write and send to their lapdog media like Cornesy and CRowey and Casper. So when they write we're expecting Norman to re-sign next week they believe it and that when they write Port are going to Tasmania they believe that as well.

When things don't go their way which is not very often they drop the bottom lip and go off and have sulk for a couple weeks.

 

[King Elvis]

The entire time, he told the Crows he was staying - then, at the last minute, changed his mind, and jumped on a plane.

That said, I dont care how or why he left, what I care about is us getting a fair trade.

Longdonkey, I like your work, dont start being a knob

 

[adelcrows]

How bout this thread closed till a deal is sorted... Hawthorn fans are morons thinking you are able to trade with nothing but get something worthy, doesn't work that way...

Melbourne, Carlron, Kangaroos, Bulldogs etc are all from him "Home" so tough where he ends up, yes most crows supporters would actullay be happy if he went into PSD and was picked up by someone other than his 1st choice if it wasn't worth the trade... Keep thinking you have us in a corner...

You don't rate the player, don't do the trade, seems according to news Hawthorn are pretty keen on him and they will be the ones who do the trade.. end of story...

 

[Carrara Koala]

Any thought you can take a guy who can't get a game at a top club put them into a low ranked club and he becomes a key player are fairy tales.

What absolute nonsense. And you're the one saying key player. I simply said slot into their best 18. Anyway, I'll entertain your rant without even thinking for one minute; David Hale to Hawthorn, Leigh Brown to Collingwood, Brent Moloney to Melbourne and Shane Mumford to Sydney. And in two of those cases, they were going from middle of the road to better placed team.

 

[Stiffy_18]

That's it?

He didn't sign the contract Adelaide offered? They expected him to and he didn't and now the whole club is acting like he's done the ultimate misdeed?

That's just juvenile. If he broke a contract or something like that I could understand, but this is just a player who has come to a contract review and decided to look elsewhere.

Well I am sorry that integrity for you is not something to be respected. At no time during the contract negotiations has he indicated that he wants out. Remember he is the one that gave the counter offer to the club which club accepted. The meeting was organised to make it official by signing on the dotted line. He had essentially agreed to the deal and all that was needed was the signature to seal it.

I am pretty sure that if one of the Hawthorn players pulled the same stunt at your club you would not this its juvenile you would be pretty pissed off and rightly so.

No one really has a problem that he is leaving. They might be disappointed by thats as far as it goes but everyone has a problem with the way he went about it including his team mates but hey I am sure that everyone is being juvenile except you lot that want a good player for **** all but I am 100% certain that if the shoe was on the other foot and one your players pulled the same stunt you yourself would be the first one to be "juvenile" so spare us the lesson in integrity which is something you obviously don't have!

 

[Bardo State]

Gotta say I'm with LP on this one...

He was expected to sign a contract, didn't and then requested to be traded home.

Could have advised the club sooner but changing clubs isn't something that you decide to do overnight. He would have given it a lot of consideration and then when he made his mind up he told the club.

If what you said is alll he has done then I don't quite think he deserves the hate he is getting.

 

[Carrara Koala]

No one really has a problem that he is leaving.

No one really has a problem that he is leaving.

No one really has a problem that he is leaving.

No one really has a problem that he is leaving.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

How bout this thread closed till a deal is sorted... Hawthorn fans are morons thinking you are able to trade with nothing but get something worthy, doesn't work that way...

Melbourne, Carlron, Kangaroos, Bulldogs etc are all from him "Home" so tough where he ends up, yes most crows supporters would actullay be happy if he went into PSD and was picked up by someone other than his 1st choice if it wasn't worth the trade... Keep thinking you have us in a corner...

You don't rate the player, don't do the trade, seems according to news Hawthorn are pretty keen on him and they will be the ones who do the trade.. end of story...

Most crow fans would be happy for him to go to the PSD?

Really?

Most would prefer to get nothing than something? For some childish payback against a kid who didn't want to sign a contract?

Glad my club didn't act like this when Josh Kennedy refused to sign the contract we offered. Got less than he was worth, but at least we got something.

I think the real problem here is that Adelaide want Gunston more than Gunston wants Adelaide and the supporters are starting to get utterly ridiculous.


Then there is no poi

 

[longdonkey]

The entire time, he told the Crows he was staying - then, at the last minute, changed his mind, and jumped on a plane.

That said, I dont care how or why he left, what I care about is us getting a fair trade.

Longdonkey, I like your work, dont start being a knob

I'm just trying to wind things up a bit Kingy. I like your work too ... Cornesy and Crowey I'm a bit less happy with.

If we (Port) were in the same situation I wouldn't be particularly happy with the way it went down (and it did happen to us... Nathan Krakeour) at least his manager told you guys.

 

[longdonkey]

What absolute nonsense. And you're the one saying key player. I simply said slot into their best 18. Anyway, I'll entertain your rant without even thinking for one minute; David Hale to Hawthorn, Leigh Brown to Collingwood, Brent Moloney to Melbourne and Shane Mumford to Sydney. And in two of those cases, they were going from middle of the road to better placed team.

Not sure we're talking about the same thing I'm speaking in a more generalised terms not speaking about these 3 guys in particular.

 

[Furn]

The bottom line is Gunna will get his wish and return home to his family and his GF that has him by the balls and you can be assured of the following:

1. he will end up at the Melb based club that has the strongest trade hand
2. He will not risk the draft

Anything outside of this is just pure crap

But thats never ever happened. Didnt Judd and Warnock both just want to go home ?

You guys are the ones living in fantasy land.

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

The issue is they believe the press that is written about them which they write and send to their lapdog media like Cornesy and CRowey and Casper. So when they write we're expecting Norman to re-sign next week they believe it and that when they write Port are going to Tasmania they believe that as well.

When things don't go their way which is not very often they drop the bottom lip and go off and have sulk for a couple weeks.

Gunna's Manager came out 48 hrs before the Crows B&F and said that both parties were very close and that there was only a few minor contract cinditions to finalise and he he expected the deal to be done very soon....

Two days later Gunna is on a plane doing a runner and not even attending the clubs B&F

As I said I don't have an issue with the "What" that is his decision it is the "How" hevhas gone about it that has upset club and supporters

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

But thats never ever happened. Didnt Judd and Warnock both just want to go home ?

You guys are the ones living in fantasy land.

Let me speak slowly for the SLOW people

1. Judd had earned the right to nominate a club, he was the Captain of the club, Premiership player, Brownlow medalist and B&F winner at the club he was leaving, he had given great service to his previous club

2. Judd was open, honest and respectful towards WC throughout the process

3. Carlton were able to strike the right deal to get Judd

You need to pull your head out the sand if you think your going to get Gunna for a mid 20's pick and a fringe player

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Rubbish. You're saying Adelaide would rather send him to the draft than accept the 2nd best offer, regardless of how good that is.

What if Melbourne and Richmond enter negotiations? Adelaide are not going to accept pick 14 if Gunston wants to go to Richmond, because Melbourne offered pick 12?

It all depends on what is the 2 ND best offer

If it is only marginally less than the best offer then you would strongly consider the 2nd offer however if the 2nd offer was well below our asking price than absolutely hevgoes into the draft

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Thanks, The Sloane Ranger. We never got the news in Brisbane that Gunston's desire of simply returning to Victoria outweighed a desire to head to Hawthorn.

Adelaide are insane if it takes North's alleged pick 18 over the 24 and Fringe rumoured to be offered from Hawthorn. A Hawthorn fringe, like an Ellis or Young et tal, would slot straight into Adelaide's best 18. Couple that with pick 24! Why don't we get these offer at Brisbane!

The issue with Ellis is that he is never on the park, so there is some risk with that offer

There are romors that Nth have offered pick 18 and L Thomas, if true this is what other clubs need to get close too

 

[Bugz]

Pick 18 or Lindsay Thomas, more likely. Would take either.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Gunston has dicked Adelaide around quite a bit here, pissing off to Victoria without warning a day before their B&F because he was 'homesick' and then nominating a specific club who don't have much to offer in a trade.

If Hawthorn is just a preference but he'd go anywhere in Victoria then fair enough, but if he's planning on refusing a trade to anywhere but Hawthorn then the Crows have every right to be pissed off at him, because if he does that the reason for him leaving clearly isn't 'homesickness', it's just wanting to ride on Franklin's coat-tails. Would love to see him get sent into the draft if that happens, because a) if that's the case then Gunston deserves to get dicked around just as he dicked around the Crows, and b) I would find it funny for the Crows to lose a promising player for nothing after spending years questioning Port's Nick Stevens decision

And LOL at the guy who said he'd take Lindsay Thomas for Gunston. Clearly he's never seen Lindsay Thomas play.

 

[naturally north]

The issue with Ellis is that he is never on the park, so there is some risk with that offer

There are romors that Nth have offered pick 18 and L Thomas, if true this is what other clubs need to get close too

If North have offered that I'll eat a shit sandwhich, actually stick the bread I'll just munch on the brown.

 

[Furn]

Let me speak slowly for the SLOW people

1. Judd had earned the right to nominate a club, he was the Captain of the club, Premiership player, Brownlow medalist and B&F winner at the club he was leaving, he had given great service to his previous club

2. Judd was open, honest and respectful towards WC throughout the process

3. Carlton were able to strike the right deal to get Judd

You need to pull your head out the sand if you think your going to get Gunna for a mid 20's pick and a fringe player

Can you show me the rule that states a player has to earn the right nominate a club?

Every player in the league has the right to not agree to be traded to a club they dont want to go to.

Wc still got major unders for Judd it wasn't the best offer.

So again whats different about this trade ? compared to the last 50 where a player has picked a club and got there for unders ?

 

[AndrewJo]

99.9% sure he doesn't have a girlfriend...

wrong!!!!!

 

[AndrewJo]

Pick 18 or Lindsay Thomas, more likely. Would take either.

Thank heavens you are not in the Crows trading centre...that would be way unders for the Crows....A low pick plus Thomas..
They will get a first round pick and a player for Gunston....Remember the name Lycett...could be in a 3 way deal.....

 

[Schulzenfest]

Thank heavens you are not in the Crows trading centre...that would be way unders for the Crows....A low pick plus Thomas..
They will get a first round pick and a player for Gunston

Soooooooooooo ... you berate someone for suggesting a first round pick plus a player for Gunston as a reasonable trade, then say that in your opinion the Crows will get a first round pick and a player for Gunston. What are you on about?

And no, they won't get a first rounder and a player, unless the first rounder is something like pick 24 which is only a first rounder because of GWS. The Kangaroos have apparently offered pick 18, if Gunston agreed to go there then that'd be fair market value.

 

[Elite Crow]

Not often I agree with GP, but pick 18 should get the deal done if that's offered and the prick will go to them.

 

[WAG]

Soooooooooooo ... you berate someone for suggesting a first round pick plus a player for Gunston as a reasonable trade, then say that in your opinion the Crows will get a first round pick and a player for Gunston. WTF are you on?

And no, they won't get a first rounder and a player, unless the first rounder is something like pick 24 which is only a first rounder because of GWS. The Kangaroos have apparently offered pick 18, if Gunston agreed to go there then that'd be fair market value.

I'd take pick #18 for Gunston. Could get us a Grigg, Crozier or Smith!

My eyes are starting to bleed from reading all the absolute shite coming from all clubs posters!

 

[dipper86]

If North have offered that I'll eat a shit sandwhich, actually stick the bread I'll just munch on the brown.