Jade Rawlings - 20/20 hindsight?

[NakedDeadGuy]

Looking back to last years trade time, geez I'm happy that Rawlings ended up not choosing to come to Geelong. With what was touted as what the Hawks wanted, we would have Rawlings minus Tenace, and another bloke who was at that stage around the same level as Moloney this year - I'm thinking Kelly or Bartel. We probably wouldn't have chased Ottens this year, so I'd like to thank Jade for choosing to play with his brother. (Oops).

+Ottens - Moloney & Pattison(1st rd draft) > +Rawlings - Tenace & Bartel/Kelly

Worked out very well for us I reckon.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Yep, we've done very well.

I was all for getting Jade, i really do rate him highly (both as a player and as a person). I didn't know his knees were as bad as they apparently are though.

 

[catempire]

What a wonderful thing - hindsight! I bet if you looked back at this forum to trade time in 2003 the majority of us would have been salivating at the prospect of having Rawlings.

My thoughts on this are twofold:

1. Obviously, I think as has been pointed out, we are better off with what we have now. Tenace will be a star and Ottens will more than likely be worth the trade we made.

2. Rawlings may have been alright in our side in 2004. Let's remember he was playing for a rubbish team and didn't have the delivery that he would have had in Geelong. An extra marking target in our forward line in the Preliminary and who knows what may have happened...

But in summary, I'm glad we've got what we've got!

 

[JUBJUB]

Looking back to last years trade time, geez I'm happy that Rawlings ended up not choosing to come to Geelong.

Like Shane Harvey,we should thank Jade for saying "no".

 

[Seb]

As many of you know, I was skeptical in the first place about getting Jade to the club. I don't mean it as a 'i told you so' thing either.

I guess i'm just cynical when it comes to trading for so called 'quality' players in general. When you look at our own history as a club, who have we traded (honestly) who was touted as a star at our club, and continued on his merry way to become an elite player of the competition after being traded?

Leigh Colbert is the only player who comes to my mind. And, although he has been a solid, gallant defender for the Roos and made a name for himself, I wouldn't put him in the league's top echelon of players. Matthew Primus was by no means a star at Geelong, and it took him several years to prosper into the player he was before being struck down with injuries.

I guess what i'm trying to say is, that clubs don't just give up quality players. Hence my skepticism and reluctance to trade for Ottens. It just seems like a similiar situation with Jade. Questions over his back (Jade's knees) and with the general consensus being he has only ever played one good season (Jade maybe had a couple of seasons, mostly at FB though).

I hope it works out for us, because we gave up one of my favourite players to get the deal done. And sure, he wasn't in our top 5 midfielders, but I think he could have got there, and he has something the others do not.

 

[nananana catman]

There's a lot of Hindsight to this Hindsight thread really... you are assuming Ottens will be good, Moloney wont be a star, Tenace will be a star and Bartel (most likely wouldve been traded) Will remain a good player. Maybe wait a little while before we say its a lucky thing to have happened, at the moment it seems like the right decision/choice and I hope it was!!

 

[tayls]

I am happy with what happened. The diff between Rawlings and Ottens is that Ottens wants to play here, Rawlings didn't. Due to that it is a no brainer we dont want players who dont really want to play for us ie Shane Harvey, arent we shattered he didnt come.

 

[nananana catman]

I am happy with what happened. The diff between Rawlings and Ottens is that Ottens wants to play here, Rawlings didn't. Due to that it is a no brainer we dont want players who dont really want to play for us ie Shane Harvey, arent we shattered he didnt come.

Rawlings didnt say he didnt want to come, he just preferred to go to the Kangaroos as his first choice.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Rawlings didnt say he didnt want to come, he just preferred to go to the Kangaroos as his first choice.

Either way he wasn't committed to the club.

 

[nananana catman]

Either way he wasn't committed to the club.

Wonder what wouldve happened had he played last season?

 

[WestCat]

One of Rawlings' biggest problems last year was inaccuracy, which was our major problem last year. I don't think he would have improved us by much, if anything, last year. If we had given up Tenace and Bartel for Rawlings, we would have been ripped off shockingly.

 

[answerman]

One of Rawlings' biggest problems last year was inaccuracy, which was our major problem last year. I don't think he would have improved us by much, if anything, last year. If we had given up Tenace and Bartel for Rawlings, we would have been ripped off shockingly.

Amen to that. I was disappointed at the time but it would have been devastating to us to see Bartel and Tenace belting us out on the field in 5 years time after Rawlings had retired. But now.... Ottens for Moloney and pick 14... we've gotten a lot more for slightly less.... very good economics.

 

[nananana catman]

Amen to that. I was disappointed at the time but it would have been devastating to us to see Bartel and Tenace belting us out on the field in 5 years time after Rawlings had retired. But now.... Ottens for Moloney and pick 14... we've gotten a lot more for slightly less.... very good economics.

Subject to performances....

 

[holdencaulfield]

At the time i was very keen for Jade.Tenace wasn't expected to get through to 7. We do seem to have had a bit of luck in trade and drafting in that case .Otto is also 3 years younger than Jade and will be a quallity ruck option.

 

[jim boy]

Whose to say how Rawlings would have gone. He hasn't exactly set the world alight at the Bulldogs, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't have been a top performer with us. Properly managed, in a different setup and playing for a team that he actually wanted to play for, it could have resulted in higher level of performance, one that might have been the difference between success and failure for the cats last season.

Tenace showed last season that he may become a star, but he didn't actually deliver anything. Sometimes fate has other plans and anything could happen to stop Tenace from delivering his promise, in which case we could still be worse off. And Bartel was never in the mix for the Rawlings trade.

 

[answerman]

Whose to say how Rawlings would have gone. He hasn't exactly set the world alight at the Bulldogs, but that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't have been a top performer with us. Properly managed, in a different setup and playing for a team that he actually wanted to play for, it could have resulted in higher level of performance, one that might have been the difference between success and failure for the cats last season.

Tenace showed last season that he may become a star, but he didn't actually deliver anything. Sometimes fate has other plans and anything could happen to stop Tenace from delivering his promise, in which case we could still be worse off. And Bartel was never in the mix for the Rawlings trade.

Really? I was sure the deal that Hawthorn wanted was our first draft pick and a player like Bartel. He wasn't established yet but we all knew he could play. Other players from his age group were already established (Kelly & SJ). I suppose Gardiner may have been a consideration, given his flexibility as either a tall midfielder or a medium sized forward with very good hands.