Oppo Camp Jaidyn Stephenson (Traded to Nth Melb. 2020)

[sr36]

Part of the problem would actually be just sitting there and letting everything go and expect change to happen alone. Part of the problem would also be accepting the fact that what Jaidyn Stephenson did isn't a problem at all, that he's been given a harsh suspension, and start blaming advertisements for another person's decision.

Part of the problem would also be labelling someone as part of the problem because they don't share your political view or behave the way you believe they should.

 

[100volt1]

For the very last time, I accept he broke the rules.
But, I don’t accept he made those bets to fix elements of the game.
He made bets, they did not influence his performance.

He has been punished. My opinion is that it’s too harsh.

Think about it like this, all we're looking at is a 10 match suspension. 12 weeks suspended used as a deterrent for a future breach, which is well more than fair. Players in the past have done less and received 6 matches, or however many it's been. Jaidyn Stephenson has done a lot more than that over the course of 3 matches with multiple outcomes on player performances, match events and results. He all in all received a 10 match suspension, is allowed to play finals, and fined $20k fine. You could argue it's not enough when in context with other cases we've seen in the past. But for the sake of what we've been given it's fair. For Stepho it's fair.

 

[NeverWobble]

Player has infringed, umpire has blown whistle, penalty given. I'm only concerned for Stevo's welfare now.
That's not to disparage the debate about gambling and match fixing and appropriate penalties at all as I think it's an important discussion.
I can't add much to the debate at the moment.

 

[jmac70]

Think about it like this, all we're looking at is a 10 match suspension. 12 weeks suspended used as a deterrent for a future breach, which is well more than fair. Players in the past have done less and received 6 matches, or however many it's been. Jaidyn Stephenson has done a lot more than that over the course of 3 matches with multiple outcomes on player performances, match events and results. He all in all received a 10 match suspension, is allowed to play finals, and fined $20k fine. You could argue it's not enough when in context with other cases we've seen in the past. But for the sake of what we've been given it's fair. For Stepho it's fair.

I disagree.

 

[100volt1]

I disagree.

That's fine.

 

[anshell]

Player has infringed, umpire has blown whistle, penalty given. I'm only concerned for Stevo's welfare now.
That's not to disparage the debate about gambling and match fixing and appropriate penalties at all as I think it's an important discussion.
I can't add much to the debate at the moment.

Too sensible a post.Needs more wailing,hand wringing and self flagellation.That’s the Big Footy way.

 

[jmac70]

Well what a crap day. Our wonderful boy gets suspended for the rest of the regular season for placing a $36 bet.
It’s enough to make you wonder why it’s all worth it.
**** you AFL.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

For the very last time, I accept he broke the rules.
But, I don’t accept he made those bets to fix elements of the game.
He made bets, they did not influence his performance.

He has been punished. My opinion is that it’s too harsh.

I’m more with you on this Jmac.

It’s a bit too harsh (and apparently was to be harsher still).

Three bets is an issue.
Betting on Collingwood games is an issue.

Total bets $36 is on the small scale to me.
They’re toy bets in my view.

Still wrong but way on the small scale.
It’s not $10,000.
Size of bets, to me, does count, as goes to intent. Small bets like his smacks of a throw away. Still high end dumb.

He self reported. Had he kept shtum it would have been lost in the sands of time. But he did, whether because a fellow player alerted him to the seriousness or whatever, he went to Geoff Walsh.

I’d say the same thing for any player of any team in similar circumstances. Small fun bets, very very very dumb but in the great scheme of things small potatoes.

The AFL must, and rightly so, protect their game. The harsh punishment is to stave off opportunity of bad elements creeping into the game. To prevent players not playing properly or outside influences infiltrating.
On this, absolutely, the AFL must act.

What doesn’t sit well with me:

As much as I try, I can’t equate how Gaff can break a guys jaw and get 8 weeks and $36 is given 10 weeks.
Different parts of the game, sure, but just the penalty outcomes seem very odd to me.
I think Gaff should have got 1 year. He didn’t mean to, but he broke Bradshaw’s jaw. Wow only 8 weeks.
Again they’re different things, gambling, being a thug. The disparity doesn’t sit well, that’s all.

Also I’m just not buying this view that Jaidyn was some mastermind fiend betting on himself and a Collingwood in some bizarre financial ruse. Absolutely dumb, yes.
All that education and training they do.... but you can’t teach between the ears when the brain is on vacation.

He’ll cop his whack, it’s a big penalty, it’s big money he’ll lose. He cops the flak from the media, social media, the public etc. that’s a whole lot to be going on with for some stupid toy bets.

Great shame.
Hopefully he’ll learn and be a better person for it.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Lol AFL. The biggest hypocrites going around. Well maybe Rugby Australia or Cricket Australia or the FFA. Actually they are all as bad as each other.

But seriously, what a ducking convenience to give him PRECISELY 10 weeks so that it ends at the end of the home and away season.

The other 12 weeks make it look like the AFL is big bad and tough but really they should have either given him 15 weeks or 7 weeks. Not a convenient 10 weeks to add to the prospect or more media buildup come finals time.

The AFL and all it stands for now drips of hypocrisy and media driven bullshit.


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[Collingwoodity]

Wonder what Dangerfield and his AFLPA are going to say about this one...

I’m guessing typical union shit: Give me more money but not assist an employee in actual trouble.


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[Greening Magic]

If he had a bet on himself to kick 3 goals, and he took a mark 55 out and instead of passing to a free teammate for a certain goal he kicked a torp to try and win his bet, what would you say that is? Is that corruption?

Was he found guilty of that?
No he wasn't.
So he was actually found guilty of placing a bet on footy. That's it.
But it's no surprise the AFL used him to send a message (as they would have with any player) about possible future corruption.
My amazement is that he offerred himself up to be whacked, for what?
Crap advice and crap decision.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Well what a crap day. Our wonderful boy gets suspended for the rest of the regular season for placing a $36 bet.
It’s enough to make you wonder why it’s all worth it.
**** you AFL.

Yes a gloomy day.

The only part I’d suggest isn’t quite fair is attributing scorn to the AFL if it implies they are at fault.

Unfortunately poor decision making by our player opened up the opportunity for the AFL to act.
They had to.

Is it to harsh, I’d say yes. I’d go a lesser penalty.
Is it acceptable, I’d say yes as well.

The three bets and betting on club games hurts the most here.

The least of it is the amounts of the bets.
Whilst some would say, the size doesn’t matter (and that’s an understandable position) I think it does.
He’s not playing worrying about losing $12 or whatever. That’s small change.

Not the AFLs fault.
Though a bit to harsh for me.

 

[Collingwoodity]

So 10 games from AFL and whatever we give him?

We have a history of handing out hefty penalties while Hodge gets 1 game for drink driving and Frankin launches into 4 parked cars for a water off a ducks back punishment.

We better not penalize him.. I want him out there.. if we're gonna go down the politically correct path.. for the sake of our sponsors.. I'm seriously turfing my membership in the Yarra.

I have no problem with the Hodge penalty. Seems a knockabout bloke and nothing before and after. A great player and leader.

Franklin: a whole different ballgame.


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[Saintly Viewed]

I’m guessing typical union ****: Give me more money but not assist an employee in actual trouble.


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They’ll probably ask for more time off for association meetings.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Was he found guilty of that?
No he wasn't.
So he was actually found guilty of placing a bet on footy. That's it.
But it's no surprise the AFL used him to send a message (as they would have with any player) about possible future corruption.
My amazement is that he offerred himself up to be whacked, for what?
Crap advice and crap decision.

The age old, do I fess up or not....

The only part I’d suggest to add to your post is, once he went to Geoff Walsh any advice given would have to be (and only be) to do the confession. There can’t be any cover ups. That’s far worse.

 

[sr36]

Lol AFL. The biggest hypocrites going around. Well maybe Rugby Australia or Cricket Australia or the FFA. Actually they are all as bad as each other.

But seriously, what a ducking convenience to give him PRECISELY 10 weeks so that it ends at the end of the home and away season.

The other 12 weeks make it look like the AFL is big bad and tough but really they should have either given him 15 weeks or 7 weeks. Not a convenient 10 weeks to add to the prospect or more media buildup come finals time.

The AFL and all it stands for now drips of hypocrisy and media driven ********.


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They expedite these cases by negotiating the outcome. Him being available for finals will have been our sticking point. Otherwise this one was going to go to court and it would have dragged out for ages, which is not in anyone's best interests.

 

[Collingwoodity]

In Italy since the betting scandals in the 2000s this type of behaviour is viewed as criminal and a special prosecutor is appointed to investigate.

However, the betting money that the AFL receives is so intertwined with the AFL’s “integrity” I find myself difficult to reconcile the harshness of this penalty with the betting money the AFL gorges itself with.


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[doppleganger]

"However it is unclear whether the torpedo punt goal Stephenson kicked in the dying minutes of the round nine match against St Kilda, which meant he kicked three goals for the match, was one of the multi-bet legs laid during that round. The AFL refused to confirm the games in which the bet types were laid."

Spot fixing summed up, kicks that and the result is over 39+ as opposed to 39- that's match fixing and spot fixing right there. Outcome and direct match play. Don't tell me otherwise.

Ain’t match fixing, and what you are referring to is point shaving to beat a line.

For starters we were already 40 points up when he took the shot, the goal out is 46 points up...

The ‘spot fixing’ angle is the betting on himself to kick 3 or more goals. people now questioning his motives - did he only kick the barrel to get the 3rd goal that settled a multi?

But even that is a hardermarket to actually fix as an individual as you rely on team mates.

It is why the individual style sports are more prone to ‘spot fixing’.

In cricket World Cup - opening ball will be a ‘dot’ one person can manipulate that. D.Warner to score less than 40....he can control that himself and play a loose stroke or two etc

A double fault in a game of tennis etc, they are where an individual can create a pre determined event and profit from it without impacting the match result.

Stepho wasn’t ‘spot fixing’, wasn’t ‘point shaving’ and wasn’t ‘match fixing’.

However, the mere fact it raises questions is why he deserves whatever punishment the AFL decided to give him.

Ultimately he is a 20yr old kid who was stupid and fell into the trap of doing what his mates were doing thinking it wasn’t a big deal...bad mistake Stepho.

Hopefully will be like Jordy, and learn from his mistake, embrace the club support and comes back stronger than ever.

 

[sr36]

So 10 games from AFL and whatever we give him?

We have a history of handing out hefty penalties while Hodge gets 1 game for drink driving and Frankin launches into 4 parked cars for a water off a ducks back punishment.

We better not penalize him.. I want him out there.. if we're gonna go down the politically correct path.. for the sake of our sponsors.. I'm seriously turfing my membership in the Yarra.

We've negotiated the penalty down in order for him to play in the finals. He'll be playing in the finals, if he doesn't injure himself by overtraining, which I'd be watchful of if I was in charge of his conditioning.

 

[Collingwoodity]

Shattered.
Won't be following the AFL for a while
Gillan can get ******.
Hope the ********** dies.

Can a puppet be killed? If so, what another puppet simply replace the dead puppet?


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[Mortimore 39ers]

Just to ease my mind and put things into perspective, can anyone on here point to as big or bigger AFL imposed (not ASADA imposed) penalty/suspension/sanction in modern AFL history than that which was handed to Jaidyn today for his 3 x $12 multi-bets?
I just can't reconcile the severity of the punishment. Ostensibly it paints him as one of the most nefarious players in the last 30 years!
Doesn't seem right to me and the timing from the AFL is as dodgy as...

 

[Collingwoodity]

Can't wait to see him light up the finals. He stuffed up, but is handling it with class and dignity (at least publicly). This kid will be the best player in the league in a few year's time. We are indeed lucky to have him.

I think he can be the best or one of the best for sure. This is a setback and shows that he lacks maturity. I hope he can turn it around


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[Collingwoodity]

They expedite these cases by negotiating the outcome. Him being available for finals will have been our sticking point. Otherwise this one was going to go to court and it would have dragged out for ages, which is not in anyone's best interests.

Sure. But the integrity of the AFL is in question here: the fact that the AFL is willing to negotiate a penalty for an allegedly “disreputable” offence shows that the offence is not disreputable to the AFL.

A court does not negotiate with a murderer over a sentence.


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[sr36]

I think he can be the best or one of the best for sure. This is a setback and shows that he lacks maturity. I hope he can turn it around


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Not sure it's just age and maturity. He's a fearless risk-taker on the field, chances are he'll also be a fearless risk-taker off the field. Seems a really nice kid who wants to do the right thing, but I suspect the odd stupid risk is just a part of his make up and comes from the same fearless source as his future greatness.

 

[sr36]

Sure. But the integrity of the AFL is in question here: the fact that the AFL is willing to negotiate a penalty for an allegedly “disreputable” offence shows that the offence is not disreputable to the AFL.

A court does not negotiate with a murderer over a sentence.


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If they pretended that they didn't do this, I'd agree, but I just view it as the sensible thing to do.

In order to ensure a guilty plea and thus a conviction, prosecutors have been known to negotiate with criminals over what they are charged with and thus what their maximum penalty can be.