Jake Carlisle Updates

[Joffaboy]

When I first came to play rugby in Australia I had to endure some filthy sledges. From the uninformed 'black c@&t' to the uninspiring 'fuzzy f@**@t' and through to the carefully crafted 'the problem with your team is there are too many Fijians' (there was only one). But the one which probably made me feel diminished the most was directed at my partner. It made me feel like I wasn't a man if I didn't stand up for her. And I couldn't stand up for her in any meaningful way because there are consequences for hitting your opponent.

So, I don't like the gist of the sledge. I think it is designed to diminish an opponent who should be respected, for no other reason than it is the right way to behave. Being able to respect your opponent is how I have taught my children to conduct themselves in the heat of a sporting contest.

Having, said that I don't like the way that Marc Murphy acted. I think it diminishes his persona in the eyes of the world. And his many friends are out there now trying to justify the unjustifiable. If, in the midst of everything he was copping he chose to show Jake some compassion as an injured opponent, it would have been the biggest slap in the face to every St Kilda player that had engaged in the sledging, and probably would have resulted in no more sledges ever against him.

Having said all of that I like the way the club has responded. We have gotten on the front foot, and with no narrative about baiting from the Blues, we have indicated we crossed the line and we have apologised.

I think Carlisle will love his captain just a little bit more.




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Not dismissing it at all as it is unnecessary, but did you call the bloke who abused your missus a ' ****ing coke head campaigner' like Murphy called Carlisle?

 

[plugger66]

Social Media is a great thing, we can hit back in numbers, we don't have to be silent whilst the media pariahs go to town on us.

Yes that will help the club no end. Maybe Carlisle will like them all. I reckon the best thing that can happen is just letting it die a death.

 

[Gangnam Saint]

If Murphys partner was a man, would it be labelled sexist?

Oh thats right in that case the correct labelling would be homophobic.

It was a sledge about the twats partner not her sex, but her status.

But that concept would need some thinking and analysis, something the tawdry old talking heads in the media seriously lack. Much easier to beat up the sensational.

And the MSM wonder it is dying and failing.

The Thought Police will be after you for re-education training if you keep it up.
Don't stray from the reservation and check your privilege.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Yes that will help the club no end. Maybe Carlisle will like them all. I reckon the best thing that can happen is just letting it die a death.

Yep, the quicker the better.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yes that will help the club no end. Maybe Carlisle will like them all. I reckon the best thing that can happen is just letting it die a death.

Well thats is a fair enough opinion, unfortunately the likes of SEN are not letting it die.
Social Media gives some power back from the MSMand this is why the MSM hates it.

You can exercise your right to stay quiet. Others have the means not to.

All good

 

[Wright 1]

They still talking about my tweet on the radio.....?

Even I'm ******* over the tweet now. Wish I'd never replied to the comment, as didnt even realise the previous peeps I was replying to had tagged JC & MM into the convo at the start

You got the Blue tick on your account yet Campaigner? How many follow requests today? You will always be remembered for this by the AFL public. You are the Kim Duthie of 2017

 

[CursingFijian]

No. I didn't. But two wrongs don't make a right. I just told myself he was ignorant and engaging in that very Australian way of trying to get under the skin of a talented player (now I'm going to earn the flog tag). But, that is how big Jake should have taken it and he should have been able to go home at the end of the day with the win and at the very least knowing he was a bigger man.


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[crasha301]

If MM was a man he would have sledged Carlisle whilst on his feet. What a germ!

 

[Feerits Elf]

Who's to say Murphy didn't?

Hard to imagine a player piously ignoring a sledge and then only choosing to return fire when the other bloke was on the deck injured. Far more likely that there was back-and-forth all day and the sledge when Carlisle was down wasn't the first by Murphy.

 

[plugger66]

Well thats is a fair enough opinion, unfortunately the likes of SEN are not letting it die.
Social Media gives some power back from the MSMand this is why the MSM hates it.

You can exercise your right to stay quiet. Others have the means not to.

All good

Whats MSM? I just reckon the club would want us to be quiet so Id rather do as I believe they want rather than getting all excited about abusing others.

 

[Feerits Elf]

Whats MSM?

Mainstream (traditional) media

 

[Joffaboy]

Who's to say Murphy didn't?

Hard to imagine a player piously ignoring a sledge and then only choosing to return fire when the other bloke was on the deck injured. Far more likely that there was back-and-forth all day and the sledge when Carlisle was down wasn't the first by Murphy.

Richo said that was categorically NOT the case.

 

[Joffaboy]

Whats MSM? I just reckon the club would want us to be quiet so Id rather do as I believe they want rather than getting all excited about abusing others.

Main Stream Media.

Who is abusing who? Some fools use SM to abuse, others to debate and challenge the narrative.

But to each their own. I dont think SM will continue it. On the contrary, apparently SEN were told to pull their heads in by many on SM.

Anyway, we play Sydney on Saturday and Ill cheer on Jakey more than ever.

 

[crasha301]

Who's to say Murphy didn't?

Hard to imagine a player piously ignoring a sledge and then only choosing to return fire when the other bloke was on the deck injured. Far more likely that there was back-and-forth all day and the sledge when Carlisle was down wasn't the first by Murphy.

He is well known for being a bit of a mouse.

 

[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

I answered your hypothetical. Maybe try reading next time.

Strong answer. Even though the hypothetical was a close comparison, you dodged it by giving a complete non answer followed by a deflection.. ↓

No idea. Don't know why you would attack the husband of a hockey player.

 

[plugger66]

Strong answer. Even though it was the hypothetical was a close comparison, you dodged it by giving a complete non answer followed by a deflection.. ↓

No idea is an answer. How would I know the answer to the question. And I agree it was a strong answer. Thank you.

 

[Feerits Elf]

Richo said that was categorically NOT the case.

So Carlisle sledged Murphy in a manner that was so heinous, so egregious, so utterly reprehensible according to all standards of decency observed by right-thinking persons in a modern, egalitarian society that Murphy was cut to the quick and became enraged to the point that he lost all power of self-control and … quietly went about his business as an AFL footballer, running around and collecting kicks and with some careful circumspection taking care not to physically remonstrate with Carlisle lest he fall foul of the match review panel, until half an hour later he saw Carlisle lying prone on the ground and identified it as an opportune time to let him know that he was extremely disappointed in his conduct and that he thought it would be the proper thing for him to retract his comments?

That about right?

 

[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

No idea is an answer. How would I know the answer to the question. And I agree it was a strong answer. Thank you.

You dodged it because the apparent answer blew a hole in the logic of the claims you were making.

 

[plugger66]

You dodged it because the apparent answer blew a hole in the logic of the claims you were making.

ok. How about getting back to your own board. Or are you the only one on it.

 

[ABSOLUTE MADMAN]

ok. How about getting back to your own board. Or are you the only one on it.

I'm not the one trashing a St Kilda player as having made an attack on a woman, then petulantly dodging questions and giving lame deflecting replies when the logic for your original assertions is shown to be faulty.

 

[plugger66]

I'm not the one trashing a St Kilda player as having made an attack on a woman, then petulantly dodging questions and giving lame deflecting replies when the logic for your original assertions is shown to be faulty.

Ok. I actually follow Carlton.

 

[Joffaboy]

So Carlisle sledged Murphy in a manner that was so heinous, so egregious, so utterly reprehensible according to all standards of decency observed by right-thinking persons in a modern, egalitarian society that Murphy was cut to the quick and became enraged to the point that he lost all power of self-control and … quietly went about his business as an AFL footballer, running around and collecting kicks and with some careful circumspection taking care not to physically remonstrate with Carlisle lest he fall foul of the match review panel, until half an hour later he saw Carlisle lying prone on the ground and identified it as an opportune time to let him know that he was extremely disappointed in his conduct and that he thought it would be the proper thing for him to retract his comments?

That about right?

Ask Richo not me. But sounds like you have made up your mind.

 

[Keg on legs]

When I first came to play rugby in Australia I had to endure some filthy sledges. From the uninformed 'black c@&t' to the uninspiring 'fuzzy f@**@t' and through to the carefully crafted 'the problem with your team is there are too many Fijians' (there was only one). But the one which probably made me feel diminished the most was directed at my partner. It made me feel like I wasn't a man if I didn't stand up for her. And I couldn't stand up for her in any meaningful way because there are consequences for hitting your opponent.

So, I don't like the gist of the sledge. I think it is designed to diminish an opponent who should be respected, for no other reason than it is the right way to behave. Being able to respect your opponent is how I have taught my children to conduct themselves in the heat of a sporting contest.

Having, said that I don't like the way that Marc Murphy acted. I think it diminishes his persona in the eyes of the world. And his many friends are out there now trying to justify the unjustifiable. If, in the midst of everything he was copping he chose to show Jake some compassion as an injured opponent, it would have been the biggest slap in the face to every St Kilda player that had engaged in the sledging, and probably would have resulted in no more sledges ever against him.

Having said all of that I like the way the club has responded. We have gotten on the front foot, and with no narrative about baiting from the Blues, we have indicated we crossed the line and we have apologised.

I think Carlisle will love his captain just a little bit more.




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Thanks for the share C.F.

 

[Feerits Elf]

Ask Richo not me. But sounds like you have made up your mind.

No, I'm asking.

 

[Saint Watto]

I see it a bit differently..
Richo is normally a very straight down the line bloke, who is not afraid to admit when he/the club/players have got it wrong

Good comments there Puppy.