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Traded Jake Lever [traded to Melbourne]
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Hence why we would be dumb to trade Scharenberg NOW, in 12 months time his value will have significantly increased. I wonder why Crows fans are all clamouring around to get Schaz in the deal?
Could it be the fact he is already posting Lever numbers despite only really finding his feet at AFL and knowing that his talent will see him improve dramatically now he has been injury free for 12 months?
So we trade in Lever who is a 3rd defender and plays a role in a position we have covered with the better Howe the ever improving Scharenberg and Langdon, if it is to hold a KPD role well we will be leaking goals just like the crows did vs Bombers when they tried to make him accountable as a KPD.
Hopefully we don't as we will have to pay more then his worth to us, and I hope we hit the draft for once. GL to Melbourne and the Crows squabbling over double firsts.
Yes really in fact...There is not a part of the game Lever has Howe covered in. Howe has been AA form this year whether he is selected or not.
Lever has a hype train in full steam atm, we are talking about a player who only averages 16 disp, a tackle and 1 inside 50 p/game as a peeling HBF.
Yeah freak of a player clubs better start trading their best players to get the picks needed for this Buddy Franklin crusher!
We already have 3 players playing his role almost as good and in Howes case better...Lever is as unproven as a KPD as pick 6 will be this year...HE is a half back flanker who peels to get across and effect the contest. He is a glorified Nick Maxwell.
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Quite easily, because that player will be in a different position than Lever
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Maybe because he's not a peeling HBF, he certainly isnt the 'designated kicker' like Howe often is. Id like to see his stats on uncontested marks. Gets a lot of cheap touches across half back.
They're not playing the same role. If you think they are then you dont understand footy.
Lever takes 1.2 contested marks per game vs Howes 2...
Howe wins more ball, also takes screamers weekly (hes like the modra of defence), defends very well, kicks well, knows when to peel and when to defend his man, when to spoil and when to mark.
Statistically Lever is inferior in every way, to call Howe a loose ball chip scab shows you have no idea or haven't watched him play. It's also why Howe has 100m more per game then your star 16 possie lever with a mesely 250m...
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...d2=5&type=A&pid1=4027&pid2=3478&fid1=S&fid2=S
He 100% is a peeling defender, he is often given the weaker forward and times his leads to get across as 3rd in.
The few games you guys have given him defensive jobs he has trailed ass all game and had goals kicked on him... see the Essendon game vs Hooker then Daniher then Stewart had to keep moving him because everyone he was sent to started kicking goals....
I don't care what offers melb based clubs are paying overs for Lever, I hope pies don't bend over at the trade table like they did last year on nearly all our trades...
KPD can be found in all ranges of the draft no need to pay duo firsts and a 800k contract, when you can draft one for a single pick and 250k. I hope he picks melbourne.
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You really want to go down that road?
Howe averages 2.05 contested marks per game, 8th league wide.
Lever averages 1.24, sitting pretty at 49th league wide.
So Howe takes nearly double the amount of contested marks than Lever.
Total marks per game:
Howe: 8.62 (second league wide) 6.57 uncontested, 2.05 contested.
Lever: 6.29 (38th league wide) 5.05 uncontested, 1.24 contested.
So Howe gets more uncontested and more contested marks per game than Lever. Looking forward to you spinning these stats you asked for to make out like Lever is a superior player.
Also, a player taking kick ins doesn't get a disposal stat unless they kick to themselves first, which Howe doesn't do very often. Maybe once or twice in a game, if that. It's Dunn who tends to do the kick to himself and long bomb more often than not.
He was in and out of Collingwoods team this year. A team that doesnt have as good a defense as we do.
I think people are talking about Scharenberg because he might help replace the hole of Lever goes. No one sees him as a 1 for 1 replacement tho.
Plus he is an SA boy who might want to come home.
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But he's not the ball using half back. Howe is looked for deliberately to use the ball, it inflates his possession statistics.
They are not really the same type of player.
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Yes I know Howe does, thats not the point im making....you're clearly missing the point.
Either way, I dont think teams would be paying 800k a year for Howe, ever, in any world.
Do you know why? Because we have Howe playing the role Schaz is most suited for and playing it very well, incidentally it is the role Lever often plays for the Crows (not the last few games admittedly).
Schaz hasn't had the opportunity to play on the weaker forward as the peeling player or as the 7th defender yet at AFL level. When he does he will be a gun like he is at VFL where he is stupidly dominant as a CHB.
BTW our defenders largely hold up, it is our system that often allows easy goals as our last line presses up to our CHF area leaving 3/4 of the oval open for counter attack and teans always hold a player or 2 in the square for it like you guys did after half time..
Teams are paying that to pry him out of your club on the premise that he will become a KPD who plays like he has at crows in the first half of the year, which if they bothered watching you the last month is not how it will unfold.
I hope the pies if they go hard for him don't sell the farm like they did for treloar.
That would mean we have got 2 good young players at the expense of 4, overall weakening the strength of the list, it is dumb, crows will be laughing t heir asses off if they get 6 and Schaz or 6 and 2018 1st...
Schaz will slip straight into the role Lever plays at crows with out batting an eye lid.
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If you arguing who had a better season it's pretty even. Both were pipped by McGovern for the intercept defender role.
Every single list manager in the league would take Lever over Howe though. 21yp 195cm key defender. sure he plays the third tall role at times but he will only get stronger and in time couldn't be the number one key defender.
Every single list manager in the league would take Lever over Howe though. 21yp 195cm key defender. sure he plays the third tall role at times but he will only get stronger and in time couldn't be the number one key defender.
Seems either Pies or Dees. TBH I'd love to get Lever across however think we'd be better of with a mid like Kelly. Not that we're linked to him.
Howes had a great year, but his worth is nowhere near levers, when Howe was 21 he was playing local footy. For the next 5 years he was a journeyman who could take a good grab. Lever was in the aa top 40 as a 21 year old. It's scary how good he could be and there's every chance that none of this years draft group will be as good. And if there's a couple as good or better, then u have to be lucky enough to be one of the teams that picked it
This is the issue all teams will face, they have a squad of 40 how many would they actually swap and how many are even worth considering for the team he has to go to, that dwindles you down to less than 10 players, how many of those would consider being moved on when contracted and especially being told you are moving to an interstate teams. Shaz is just the most logical choice, close family in Adelaide and you would think no problems in moving back here
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Simple solution..all the collingwood and melbourne supporters who are against giving up anything decent for Level..go speak to your club and beg them to not to go after lever. That way he can stay in Adelaide where he is playing good footy and it is a win win
