Traded Jake Lever [traded to Melbourne]

[McOrist]

-would be disappointed if Lever ends up at Collingwood.
Why would we use a #6 draft pick and a big slab of salary cap space on a player that doesn't cover any of our major deficiencies.
We don't need another 3rd defender/intercept mark -it's not an area of weakness.
We need a key forward, a key back, a speedy rebounding defender and a quick clever small forward.

 

[Apex36]

Considering what he is being offered from a salary point of view from opposition clubs, that's about right.

The salary argument is garbage. Prestia was offered more than we gave Treloar and Richmond paid pick 6. Salary has an impact, but it's not the only factor in trade value.

 

[citizen-erased]

That seems pretty high and I'm a Lever fan. Pick 6 alone would be a good return for us given that the's uncontracted.

Carlisle netted us 5 plus change.
Both are quality intercept defenders.

6, CFC 2nd for Lever AFC 2nd probably works out.

 

[Apex36]

Carlisle netted us 5 plus change.
Both are quality intercept defenders.

6, CFC 2nd for Lever AFC 2nd probably works out.

You gave back like pick 15 or something in that trade though too didn't you? Can't remember the details exactly, it was a 3 way with Sydney wasn't it?

 

[Pea Nut]

-would be disappointed if Lever ends up at Collingwood.
Why would we use a #6 draft pick and a big slab of salary cap space on a player that doesn't cover any of our major deficiencies.
We don't need another 3rd defender/intercept mark -it's not an area of weakness.
We need a key forward, a key back, a speedy rebounding defender and a quick clever small forward.

I would have thought Collingwood fans would realise that trying to trade now for the exact type of players you are looking for usually fails. You need to develop players and a list. Which is why, as previously mentioned, that there is huge interest in Lever. Plays the intercept defender role very well now, but is destined to be one of the best Key Position Defenders in the league. Which is why he was compared to Rance so often this year. And Rance has just been announced as the All Australian captain. Lever is 21 and would be just be hitting his straps in a few years which would likely co-incide with Collingwood's next push for a flag. As for the other players you need, elite key forwards dont grow on trees. It would be a huge mistake for you guys to overpay Casboult or someone like that. If Buckley is feeling pressure to play finals next year, regardless of the fact he has a 2 year deal, they may do something like that. I think it would be a mistake. You will likely have the quick, clever small forward type covered in spades with Brown and Daicos. As for rebounding defender, they aren't real hard to find.

 

[Pea Nut]

The salary argument is garbage. Prestia was offered more than we gave Treloar and Richmond paid pick 6. Salary has an impact, but it's not the only factor in trade value.

If it were me doing the deal, I would be more interested in either Sidebottom or as unlikely as it would be, Pendlebury.

 

[Pea Nut]

You gave back like pick 15 or something in that trade though too didn't you? Can't remember the details exactly, it was a 3 way with Sydney wasn't it?

Pick 44.

 

[Magpie Ink]

You gave back like pick 15 or something in that trade though too didn't you? Can't remember the details exactly, it was a 3 way with Sydney wasn't it?

St Kilda gave up pick 5 & 24 for Carlisle & pick 14

 

[Apex36]

Pick 44.

Check post above.

 

[Pea Nut]

St Kilda gave up pick 5 & 24 for Carlisle & pick 14

No they didn't. Try again.

 

[Pea Nut]

Check post above.

Yeah, its wrong !!

 

[citizen-erased]

You gave back like pick 15 or something in that trade though too didn't you? Can't remember the details exactly, it was a 3 way with Sydney wasn't it?

So;
Bombers lost Carlisle, 2nd & 3rd
Got 5, Bird and St Kilda 2nd

Saints lost 1st & 2nd
Gained Carlisle and Sydney 1st

Swans lost Bird & 1st
Gained EFC 2nd & 3rd.

 

[Pea Nut]

For the un-informed :

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-21/jake-carlisle-to-saints-craig-bird-to-bombers/6872186

 

[Magpie Ink]

No they didn't. Try again.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/tradin...da-with-craig-birds-help-20151020-gkec5n.html

 

[Pea Nut]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/tradin...da-with-craig-birds-help-20151020-gkec5n.html

You're still wrong !!

 

[Magpie Ink]

You're still wrong !!

St Kilda in = Carlisle + pick 14
St Kilda out = pick 5 + 24

Are you saying that this is incorrect?

 

[Apex36]

Yeah, its wrong !!

I did mention it was a 3 way. Either way, St Kilda gave up 5 and 24 and walked away with Carlisle and 14. That's a hell of a lot more desirable than giving away 6 and a player who is incredibly likely to be worth a first round pick himself in the space of the next 12 months.

 

[Pea Nut]

St Kilda in = Carlisle + pick 14
St Kilda out = pick 5 + 24

Are you saying that this is incorrect?

Do you bother reading other posts in this thread ??
In case you missed it. It was a 3 way trade.

Bombers lost Carlisle, 2nd & 3rd
Got 5, Bird and St Kilda 2nd

Saints lost 1st & 2nd
Gained Carlisle and Sydney 1st

Swans lost Bird & 1st
Gained EFC 2nd & 3rd.

I also posted a link that described it in full. Try reading other posts, you might learn something.

 

[Vindicater]

North to swoop with 1.6 million a year contract.

 

[Apex36]

Do you bother reading other posts in this thread ??
In case you missed it. It was a 3 way trade.

Bombers lost Carlisle, 2nd & 3rd
Got 5, Bird and St Kilda 2nd

Saints lost 1st & 2nd
Gained Carlisle and Sydney 1st

Swans lost Bird & 1st
Gained EFC 2nd & 3rd.

I also posted a link that described it in full. Try reading other posts, you might learn something.

He knows that peanut. What St Kilda gave away and gained is the topic here, and he's absolutely correct that the saints gave 5 + 24 and received Carlisle and 14. The rest is incidental.

 

[Pea Nut]

He knows that peanut. What St Kilda gave away and gained is the topic here, and he's absolutely correct that the saints gave 5 + 24 and received Carlisle and 14. The rest is incidental.

My point was that Sydney were instrumental in the deal actually being done. It wouldn't have been done otherwise. It was a stalemate, and Sydney came to save the day on that one. So it makes the deal look better for St Kilda. Sydney wanted their academy players.

 

[Magpie Ink]

Do you bother reading other posts in this thread ??
In case you missed it. It was a 3 way trade.

Bombers lost Carlisle, 2nd & 3rd
Got 5, Bird and St Kilda 2nd

Saints lost 1st (pick 5) & 2nd (pick 24)
Gained Carlisle and Sydney 1st (pick 14)

Swans lost Bird & 1st
Gained EFC 2nd & 3rd.

I also posted a link that described it in full. Try reading other posts, you might learn something.

Certainly living up to your name

 

[Pea Nut]

North to swoop with 1.6 million a year contract.

Haha, likely. If they miss out on Kelly, who will they go for next ?? They've obviously freed up salary cap space that they will need to spend.

 

[McOrist]

I would have thought Collingwood fans would realise that trying to trade now for the exact type of players you are looking for usually fails. You need to develop players and a list. Which is why, as previously mentioned, that there is huge interest in Lever. Plays the intercept defender role very well now, but is destined to be one of the best Key Position Defenders in the league.

...hard to argue with destiny

As for the other players you need, elite key forwards dont grow on trees. It would be a huge mistake for you guys to overpay Casboult or someone like that. If Buckley is feeling pressure to play finals next year, regardless of the fact he has a 2 year deal, they may do something like that.

I agree. It looks like Casboult is staying at Carlton anyway.
Collingwood need to raise their eyes higher. Landing Lynch from Gold Coast or Schache from Brisbane should be a much higher priority than Lever. We don't need Lever at the price Adelaide will be asking. Best we look elsewhere.

I think it would be a mistake. You will likely have the quick, clever small forward type covered in spades with Brown and Daicos. As for rebounding defender, they aren't real hard to find.

Brown is definitely small, but not quick or clever. Not sure if he will make it. Daicos is more likely.
Please suggest a good rebounding defender -they are harder to find than you suggest.

 

[Pea Nut]

Certainly living up to your name

Wow that's original. You can't look at that deal in isolation. It was a 3 club trade, and had to be.