News James Hird hired by the AFL-owned Giants.

[Strapping Young Lad]

There's nothing in that text correspondence that proves any knowledge of anything illegal or against the rules.

Hird hates Hawthorn, thats not a surprise given the rivalry between the clubs. Hird believes that Hawthorn are doing everything with supplements and recovery modes to win the Premiership with Hird texting that Essendon are doing it better.

Having or being unable to produce records of what was administered to their players was the negligence for which Essendon was rightfully punished for.

We will just have to forget the AOD project and revenue streams that Dank was preparing for James and David.

 

[Chief]

There's nothing in that text correspondence that proves any knowledge of anything illegal or against the rules.

The implication is heavy in the texts about sidelining the club doctor.

It wasn't just passive, he was an active participant in dodging the rules.

 

[HairyO]

The implication is heavy in the texts about sidelining the club doctor.

It wasn't just passive, he was an active participant in dodging the rules.

Yep. Hird and Robinson (I think) had a number of discussions about Doc Reid getting in the way.

Hard to claim its above board when the club doctor is trying to stop you and you are trying to get around Reid's complaints to management and the board.

They all knewbroadly what was going on. Only one tried to stop it. And he didnt even know just how far Hird Dank and Robinson had gone.

 

[Igavemyloveachicken]

The implication is heavy in the texts about sidelining the club doctor.

It wasn't just passive, he was an active participant in dodging the rules.

Cheers, are those text transcripts online, since this threads been bumped a few weeks back I listened to the leaked audio tape with Hird, Little, Thompson and one other guy, was an interesting listen.

 

[Chief]

Cheers, are those text transcripts online, since this threads been bumped a few weeks back I listened to the leaked audio tape with Hird, Little, Thompson and one other guy, was an interesting listen.

Hmmm... man this is going back a ways. I really could not tell you where that is, sorry.

 

[Back One Out]

people will be interested in all aspects of this appointment.

WADA

Let's hope Hirdy reminds the Giants players to fill out their medical forms properly after they pee in the bottle for the ASADA testers

Every medication must be reported. Every "supplement" injection. No exceptions. Lying by omission is still a lie...

Even if they try to hide their use/abuse of any performance-enhancing peptides from ASADA and they're later caught red-handed by the Feds like Essendon were, it will treated by WADA as a sure sign of their guilt if they leave the forms blank. They won't convince people they weren't cheating and that they were simply duped by rogue scientists. Sure, their own deluded fans will desperately believe any bullshit their players concoct. But they won't fool anyone else.

 

[Beerfish]

The implication is heavy in the texts about sidelining the club doctor.

It wasn't just passive, he was an active participant in dodging the rules.

Strands in a cable!!

 

[BruceTempany14]

I feel embarrassed for you.
There are people you can call to help


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please provide me the contact details… you know i am prepared to do WHATEVER IT TAKES …
but as long as i can blame someone else for my shit decisions.

zero responsibility, zero credibility.


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[Beerfish]

zero responsibility, zero credibility

Zero positive tests.

 

[BruceTempany14]

Oh so Dimma is a Port traitor.

Yes he is . but he aint a Richmond traitor and thats all that counts . You finally seem to have understood the concept. cheers. !!

Did Dimma use Port Power ( est 1996) as leverage in contractual talks? Hmm i don’t think so . Funny when the traitor Sheedy finally got the bullet ( even tbe herald sun media mafia couldn’t save the twat ) after he’d destroyed the club , thought he’d just waltz into the Richmond job . Boy, did he crack it when told not even an interview but a job in marketing instead . What a dummy spit he had . Payback so sweet !! and bullet dodfed by tigers ! Thanks ! Even sweeter that the spuds at Essendon rejected Dimma previously! only to get better and treat houli abysmally ! Thanks again !!

zero respect for Sheedy and that club from 1993 onwards. Unbearable after fluking a flag in 1993. Even worse is denial during and post drug cheating incidents . Thats what i want in my club , accountability. FFS.






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[Beerfish]

Yes he is . but he aint a Richmond traitor and thats all that counts . You finally seem to have understood the concept. cheers. !!

Did Dimma use Port Power ( est 1996) as leverage in contractual talks? Hmm i don’t think so . Funny when the traitor Sheedy finally got the bullet ( even tbe herald sun media mafia couldn’t save the twat ) after he’d destroyed the club , thought he’d just waltz into the Richmond job . Boy, did he crack it when told not even an interview but a job in marketing instead . What a dummy spit he had . Payback so sweet !! and bullet dodfed by tigers ! Thanks ! Even sweeter that the spuds at Essendon rejected Dimma previously! only to get better and treat houli abysmally ! Thanks again !!

zero respect for Sheedy and that club from 1993 onwards. Unbearable after fluking a flag in 1993. Even worse is denial during and post drug cheating incidents . Thats what i want in my club , accountability. FFS.






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You sound like a very angry person.

 

[BruceTempany14]

People like HairyO talking like James is moving his whole life to a different state to take up a senior assistant coaching role.

fu** me boy, get a grip. It’s clearly stated he’s doing an advisory role, a casual if not even on going role with a club clearly struggling.

You really need to get a grip. Cousins was a drug cheat when Richmond took him on. Common knowledge Buddy is a drug cheat but gets brushed aside. Hodge f’ed up but has been given redemption. The list could go on and on but hey, the colours are red and black so let’s give them to the vultures.

Seriously


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common knowledge? Shocking thing to say and as soon as the new trolling laws are introduced you should get your come uppance.
you are way out if your depth.

stick to denying climate change.

Mods , get control of this tyoe if comment, you’re in the chain of responsibility.


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[Chief]

Cousins was a drug cheat when Richmond took him on. Common knowledge Buddy is a drug cheat but gets brushed aside. Hodge f’ed up but has been given redemption. The list could go on and on but hey, the colours are red and black so let’s give them to the vultures.

Lul wut?

How is personal drug use anything like an institutional PED regime?

 

[BruceTempany14]

You sound like a very angry person.

You sound like Essendon . obviously ive struck a nerve .

Poor Hirdy, so pristine, give him another chance. Is this better? surely youve got better than “i sound angry”? i wouldo thought you , as an essendon supporter, would be angrier than me as an overall fouty lover . it wasnt my club that disgraced tbe entire code , unjustly sullied thegood name of great people like Dr Reid and destroyed potentially great careers and endsngerex the healtn( fore.g. Hird , Ryder) . Why are you not angry ?

whatever it takes huh .

Hird can never be permitted to come back in any capacity. Ever.

get angry.



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[Beerfish]

you sound like Essendon . obviously ive struck a nerve .

but whatever it takes.



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Maybe just put the phone away if you want to keep drinking?

 

[JackOutback]

Zero positive tests.

34 suspensions.

 

[Beerfish]

Why are you not angry ?

What would being angry 10 years later achieve?

I'd just look like you ranting incoherently about Kevin Sheedy.

 

[Back One Out]

Zero positive tests.

There was no drug testing developed to detect growth hormones & peptides, hence no "positive tests". The IOC & WADA developed the "blood passport" as an ongoing test of an athletes hormone levels to ensure their testosterone stayed under a certain threshold, but this indirect method wasn't used by the AFL at the time. Even then, measuring an athlete's testosterone levels is not a yes/no test to detect the use of growth hormones.

"Zero positive tests" was always just a straw for Essendon fans to clutch onto and delude themselves about what actually occurred at their club.

However, there was overwhelming evidence of their guilt, hence the lengthy bans for the 34 players, the coaches & assistants; plus lifetime bans for the sports scientists and Essendon's expulsion from 2015 finals series and national draft.

1. admissions by some of the people involved of a systemic doping regime that everyone in high places at the club knew about and green-lighted.
2. the electronic paper trail of Thymosin Beta 4 ingredients imported from China, mixed by Alavi the South Yarra chemist and forwarded to Essendon with revealing emails between Dank and Hird at every step of the journey
3. players deliberately misleading ASADA by failing to notify them of any of the injections they received and leaving the required forms blank after being drug-tested. Not one player who was tested made any admission in 2012 about the injections which they all later admitted to receiving (but only after they'd been caught out and "self reported")... Why was that?

^^^ All of this overlaid with numerous interviews with Essendon players in 2012 bragging about the incredible power, weight and strength gains they'd made during the pre-season under the watchful eyes of Dean Robinson, Stephen Dank, Mark Thompson and James Hird, the chief architects of Essendon's systemic doping regime.

"We've been smashing it in the weight room and setting PB's!!! All hail The Weapon!!"

 

[Beerfish]

There was no swab testing developed to detect growth hormones & peptides, hence no "positive tests". The IOC & WADA developed the "blood passport" as an ongoing test of an athletes hormone levels to ensure their testosterone stayed under a certain threshold, but this indirect method wasn't used by the AFL at the time. Even then, measuring an athlete's testosterone levels is not a yes/no test to detect the use of growth hormones.

"Zero positive tests" was always just a straw for Essendon fans to clutch onto and delude themselves about what actually occurred at their club.

However, there was overwhelming evidence of their guilt, hence the lengthy bans for the 34 players, the coaches & assistants; plus lifetime bans for the sports scientists and Essendon's expulsion from 2015 finals series and national draft.

1. admissions by some of the people involved of a systemic doping regime that everyone in high places at the club knew about and green-lighted.
2. the electronic paper trail of Thymosin Beta 4 ingredients imported from China, mixed by Alavi the South Yarra chemist and forwarded to Essendon with revealing emails between Dank and Hird at every step of the journey
3. players deliberately misleading ASADA by failing to notify them of any of the injections they received and leaving the required forms blank after being drug-tested. Not one player who was tested made any admission in 2012 about the injections which they all later admitted to receiving (but only after they'd been caught out and "self reported")... Why was that?

^^^ All of this overlaid with numerous interviews with Essendon players in 2012 bragging about the incredible power, weight and strength gains they'd made during the pre-season under the watchful eyes of Dean Robinson, Stephen Dank, Mark Thompson and James Hird, the chief architects of Essendon's systemic doping regime.

"We've been smashing it in the weight room and setting PB's!!! All hail The Weapon!!"

Don't get me wrong, I'm comfortably satisfied we were guilty and we were punished as such. I was just adding to Bruce's list of zeroes.

Nice rant though.

 

[Taylor Moss]

Don't get me wrong, I'm comfortably satisfied we were guilty and we were punished as such. I was just adding to Bruce's list of zeroes.

Nice rant though.

Well said.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Zero positive tests.

So why did they destroy all evidence of what was injected into the players?

 

[Beerfish]

So why did they destroy all evidence of what was injected into the players?

I presume you have some proof of this 'evidence' being destroyed?

Here's a newsflash for you. There was no evidence because they didn't keep proper records because they were ****ing dumb.

And here's a follow up for you. If they were intentionally doping why the **** would they keep records of it in the first place? To prove they were doping when the time came?

 

[Aussie in exile]

I presume you have some proof of this 'evidence' being destroyed?

Here's a newsflash for you. There was no evidence because they didn't keep proper records because they were ******* dumb.

And here's a follow up for you. If they were intentionally doping why the fu** would they keep records of it in the first place? To prove they were doping when the time came?

99% of the Australian sporting public knew full well they was doping and so did the AFL and that's why Fat Andy or one of his peons rung to tell them the testers were in town.

 

[Yoda_]

I’ve often thought how immature the AFL world is (the inner sanctum, footy clubs, HQ etc.) but seems they’re much more mature than the general footy public going by this thread.

Yep, Hird stuffed up, paid his penance and looks to have been approached to guide some of the youngest fine men in the land in a game he excelled at as a player himself.

No worries guys, keep holding grudges that mean absolutely zero to the real world. Will only put you in a grave earlier the way some of you carry on


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[Aussie in exile]

I presume you have some proof of this 'evidence' being destroyed?

Here's a newsflash for you. There was no evidence because they didn't keep proper records because they were ******* dumb.

And here's a follow up for you. If they were intentionally doping why the fu** would they keep records of it in the first place? To prove they were doping when the time came?

You bombers fans will just have to accept the fact that your club got caught with it's fingers in the cookie jar.