Coach James Hird - is it time to give him a second chance at coaching an AFL club? Gil says yes!

[Ricketz]

Why wouldn’t I? He wasn’t the doctor administering the drugs. He trusted that the doc knew what he was doing.

The whole thing is a farce, Essendon *ed up but it is far from Hird’s fault. Just so childish to play the man.

Their doctor was kept in the dark.

 

[deck]

Who in their right mind would re-hire an AFL coach they themselves sacked for underperformance, even if it was several years ago? And that is before you consider Hird's role in the doping scandal. This is a patently ridiculous idea.

Forget about the supplement scandal. It is mind boggling anyone would consider a person who has been out of the game 7 years, and only just came back this year in a part time mentoring role to be senior coach.

Clarkson under that scenario I would call desperate.

 

[Osho]

No one really cares about the performance enhancing properties. This is the cocktail of substances they gave the kids. There is no way they informed them of the potential risks to the short or long term health because most of them are not known. The kids couldn't have provided informed consent.

Tribulus is possibly safe for most people when taken at doses of 750-1500 mg daily for up to 90 days. Side effects are usually mild and uncommon, but might include stomach pain, cramping, and diarrhea. There isn't enough reliable information available to know if tribulus is safe to use for longer than 90 days or what the side effects might be.

Thymosin beta 4 (Tβ4) has been shown to be associated with tumor metastasis and angiogenesis; however, its role in pancreatic cancer has not been understood.

β-Lipotropin and γ-Lipotropin
Researchers have not studied the side effects of lipotropic injections. Information on side effects comes from anecdotal evidence from people who have used the injections for weight loss. Side effects may also vary from person to person.

Colostrum: While most people don't experience any side effects from bovine colostrum, there have been rare reports of problems in HIV-positive people such as nausea, vomiting, abnormal liver function tests, and decreased red blood cells. There is also some concern about the possibility of catching "mad cow disease" (bovine spongiform encephalitis, BSE) or other diseases from products that come from animals. "Mad cow disease" does not appear to be transmitted through milk products. But it is probably wise to avoid animal products from countries where "mad cow disease" has been found.

I admit to voluntarily trying tribilulus. Nothing. What did help, though, were regular, all the way down, squats, which I still practice daily.

 

[Ricketz]

I admit to voluntarily trying tribilulus. Nothing. What did help, though, were regular, all the way down, squats, which I still practice daily.

Yep - nothing beats hard work and healthy living, imo.

 

[10571z]

Surely there is no truth to this.

Essendon need a complete refresh not a rebirth of the long gone “golden era”

If they appoint him I’d be absolutely lost for words

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Yeah, why not. Who isn’t enjoying this!!!!!!

 

[BringFevBack2021]

No one really cares about the performance enhancing properties. This is the cocktail of substances they gave the kids. There is no way they informed them of the potential risks to the short or long term health because most of them are not known. The kids couldn't have provided informed consent.

Tribulus is possibly safe for most people when taken at doses of 750-1500 mg daily for up to 90 days. Side effects are usually mild and uncommon, but might include stomach pain, cramping, and diarrhea. There isn't enough reliable information available to know if tribulus is safe to use for longer than 90 days or what the side effects might be.

Thymosin beta 4 (Tβ4) has been shown to be associated with tumor metastasis and angiogenesis; however, its role in pancreatic cancer has not been understood.

β-Lipotropin and γ-Lipotropin
Researchers have not studied the side effects of lipotropic injections. Information on side effects comes from anecdotal evidence from people who have used the injections for weight loss. Side effects may also vary from person to person.

Colostrum: While most people don't experience any side effects from bovine colostrum, there have been rare reports of problems in HIV-positive people such as nausea, vomiting, abnormal liver function tests, and decreased red blood cells. There is also some concern about the possibility of catching "mad cow disease" (bovine spongiform encephalitis, BSE) or other diseases from products that come from animals. "Mad cow disease" does not appear to be transmitted through milk products. But it is probably wise to avoid animal products from countries where "mad cow disease" has been found.

Yeah, which I do think is ridiculous. It’s the organisation though, not the coach.

Your point is valid in that it’s disgusting, there are some peptides (adipotide for example) that have known to cause kidney failure in moderately large doses.

I do disagree that people don’t care about the performance enhancing benefits. Most in here are harping on about it.

 

[Ricketz]

Yeah, which I do think is ridiculous. It’s the organisation though, not the coach.

Your point is valid in that it’s disgusting, there are some peptides (adipotide for example) that have known to cause kidney failure in moderately large doses.

I do disagree that people don’t care about the performance enhancing benefits. Most in here are harping on about it.

Definitely the organisation.

I agree, they are totally missing the point. You're right, none of it is performance enhancing.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Sheeds coup complete. Like I kept saying on our board's Clarko thread, it was all about their internals.

Sheeds says to Barham "What, are you gunna let povvo Norf get Clarko are ya, are you weak, are you a real Essendon man or not?" and the doddery old linament sniffer fell for it hook line and sinker and blew the joint up.

Sheeds then immediatley iced any Clarko play (which he knew was impossible anyway) and set to work picking off the anti Hird types one by one.

Now its going to Sheeds and Adrian with Sir James, Spike and Solomon again, just like the good old days in 2000.

Hilarious, but also well played Sheeds you cunning old sot.

For a former journo you are a terrific fan fiction writer. Keep it coming

 

[Chief]

James Hird living rent free in peoples heads since 2013

What do you mean?

Like, define "living rent free"?

He nearly killed your club to troll oppo supporters??

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

What do you mean?

Like, define "living rent free"?

He nearly killed your club to troll oppo supporters??

That peple are still upset at Hird for something that's happend 10 years ago

 

[Chief]

That peple are still talking about what happend 10 years ago

Of course they are. That's how badly he screwed up.

I mean, Adolf Hitler is "living rent free" in peoples heads if that's your definition.

 

[endure]

I very much believe in learning from errors, no matter how seriously they are punished, and even more do I believe in redemption. We should be much more about education and reforming as opposed to guilty for life as all it would do is not give hope and drive those people further away in a negative way for society. Of course there are exceptions though.

Having said that, I'm not sure it would be the club's (or Hird's) wisest decision to make him head coach at the moment, at all. They would need so many bulletproof personal and structures in place around him to make it happen I reckon.

 

[Dan26]

I think if Hird came back, we'd probably lose about 10,000 intelligent supporters.

We'd gain, however, about 20,000 bandwagoning morons, so financially it would probably be a win.

 

[matthew_s]

He also watched dozens of VFL games in last 2 years with his son Tom playing.

You have to admit that’s impressive

This is the dumbest shit I've heard since the last time Hirdy coached.

I've watched every AFL game every weekend for about 10 years. Surely I'm a shoe-in to coach a side to a premiership.

**** me. Watching footy is impressive.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

I think if Hird came back, we'd probably lose about 10,000 intelligent supporters.

We'd gain, however, about 20,000 bandwagoning morons, so financially it would probably be a win.

Correct. And the 10,000 would come back instantly if you start winning. Hird would definitely be a net positive for memberships - at least initially. But external reactions are just as important as internal support.

Mussolini or Tojo (may as well get the Godwin trifecta after someone snagged Hitler a few posts up) could be Collingwood coach if they delivered flags for all I care. But the problem is, they would be hanged before they'd get on the podium.

It's not your internal camp that you should be worried about, it will be the bloodthirsty hounds suddenly barking at your door that you unleashed for absolutely no good reason. No other coach you appoint is going to get the media to dredge up 10-year-old drug stories.

Member when Paul Little tried the whole 'us vs them' shtick that Sheedy et al. are trying to push now? I member. And that worked out amazingly. Yet here people at your club are, pushing for it again.

People historically hate/d Collingwood because we were successful arrogant pricks as well as being the stereotypically the "working class" (Irish catholic) club. This was an identity supporters can rally around. If they hated us because we had a side gig running a human trafficking operation, it would be a different story.

This artificial "it's good if they hate us" agenda that an old drunk is trying to push needs to be recognised by Essendon fans for the repeat of nonsense that you already tried and which failed spectacularly.

 

[Shane Heard]

This is the dumbest s**t I've heard since the last time Hirdy coached.

I've watched every AFL game every weekend for about 10 years. Surely I'm a shoe-in to coach a side to a premiership.

* me. Watching footy is impressive.

Yeah but you’re not a walking talking living legend of the game ..are you

 

[SuperMal]

Yeah but you’re not a walking talking living legend of the game ..are you

Neither’s Hird - He’s a walking, talking, CHEATING, legend of the game.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Come on everyone!

Hirdy is the only one who can truly pull all EFC people together.

I mean look at outstanding CV regarding uniting footy clubs, and the AFL generally.

Hirdy! EFC's only chance at consolidation.



What a tragic club.

 

[Spearman]

This is the dumbest s**t I've heard since the last time Hirdy coached.

I've watched every AFL game every weekend for about 10 years. Surely I'm a shoe-in to coach a side to a premiership.

* me. Watching footy is impressive.

Send them your power point presentation. You might get the job. Any Auskick medals?

 

[QuietB]

That peple are still upset at Hird for something that's happend 10 years ago

Who is upset? People just think it is dumb.

Which is par for the course with Essendon I guess.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Forget about the supplement scandal. It is mind boggling anyone would consider a person who has been out of the game 7 years, and only just came back this year in a part time mentoring role to be senior coach.

Clarkson under that scenario I would call desperate.

This!

And all those media commentators saying "it's ok if they go through a process and find he's the best man for the job" really need to ask themselves what sort of process would recommend a guy with no recent relevant experience.

If he wants to coach again he needs to do what Voss did and be an assistant for a good few years. Then you can at least start to think he might be appropriate from a football standpoint.

 

[Shane Heard]

Neither’s Hird - He’s a walking, talking, CHEATING, legend of the game.

That’s not very nice of you.

 

[SuperMal]

That’s not very nice of you.

That all you got?

 

[adelaidecrows]

I think Hird could come in as an Assistant. Was one of the best all time players. Made a mistake. Essendon could do worse than invite him back in an Assistant coaching capacity.