Game Day JLT Community Series - Carlton v Fremantle Gameday Discussion

[ferrisb]

Why are we resting Weitering.

Is he tired.

Weitering doesn't get tired, but after a busy pre-season it can help to reboot and run defrag...

 

[rog1995]

I didn't count Plowman or Cripps. I meant KPP.

Would have liked to see Fisher given a another game. Especially on his home ground in front of family/
friends??

 

[StandByyourMan]

I didn't count Plowman or Cripps. I meant KPP.

Would have liked to see Fisher given a another game. Especially on his home ground in front of family/
friends??

Play him round 1 instead perhaps.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Jaksch is 197, he's not short. He's about 5-8 kgs lighter than what you'd like to see him playing at.


Look at it this way: we've got Pickett, Cuningham and Polson as our young smalls, and Weitering, McKay, Macreadie, Plowman, J. Silvagni and Marchbank as our young talls. The talls need an option other than Levi on the bench to help with rotations, so one of White or A. Silvagni plays.

As for the rest of the group, they get to operate with one spare in the final pre-season game, which leaves the senior guys in a full dress rehearsal. It checks out, so long as Lamb and one of White and A. Silvagni miss.

Might have to take it all back then... Was reading that he was 194...

 

[passmark]

I saw KJ's firts game for us , playing in defence in a 2015 Nab challenge game v WCE , in a game we got thrashed. Was under the pump all day and won quite a few battles.

I thought he showed plenty. I think he also played reasonably well early in the season proper before busting ribs or some such.

Since then he's been crook or injured or out of form and played in different positions. I think he has a good case for making a comeback.

His game in the NB's on Saturday was encouraging .

Of course none of this will matter if

a) he doesn't have good form in the magoos.
b) the guys who get the chances early perform.

I don't think it's unreasonable for the club to insist on him making a strong statement in the magoos before selection in the firsts and I'd hope they will assist in that by playing him consistently as either a KPF OR KPD in the NB's.

Don't mind if he has to switch occasionally for short periods but the guy is cooked if he has to be a switch player.

 

[slashin_velvet]

I don't see how anyone can say macreadie has shown more than jaksch.

Don't see why we would bring in A Silvagni when we have so many defenders already with their hands up. I wasnt too pleased we picked him up instead of a rookie ruck in the first place. Just struggling to make sense of the selections

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I don't think it's unreasonable for the club to insist on him making a strong statement in the magoos before selection in the firsts and I'd hope they will assist in that by playing him consistently as either a KPF OR KPD in the NB's.

Sure, in the season proper, but in JLT? Should have got at least two games.

 

[passmark]

Sure, in the season proper, but in JLT? Should have got at least two games.

Personally, I'm glad it turned out he got to play full minutes as the #1 target in a side that was working on playing well (i don't know for sure the NB's objective was or wasn't, but it looked that way), than one that was just blowing the cobwebs out in round one and never meant to be competitive in round two of the JLT.

I don't know if that's the MC's thinking as well, they may just see him as the 4th or 5th best marking option.

 

[Azul]

Don't see why we would bring in A Silvagni when we have so many defenders already with their hands up. I wasnt too pleased we picked him up instead of a rookie ruck in the first place. Just struggling to make sense of the selections

Agreed but he's here now.

I have a suspicion White and Rowe will be on the outer pretty quick - Weitering will be given more of the 'gorilla' roles Rowe took on but with less lumbering and more rebound. Silvagni playing the lock down roles releases Mr Plow to battle the more athletic Gunston types.

 

[Jimmae]

Are the highlighted really talls? Although quite tall I see them as more mobile players. Cripps is tall, do we class him in the same bracket?

195, 191, 192, 194; three of them are contested types, none of them are high possession earners. I'm going with yes.

Might have to take it all back then... Was reading that he was 194...

It's more that he's previously lacked enough muscle and fitness to play any AFL role, rather than his height magically makes him into a KPF.

 

[jezzzza]

I think it's a little harsh for Jones to be dropped for this game. His leads and defensive pressure in the forward line were pretty decent. The lack of clean delivery into the forward line makes it a little hard for him to do his job.

I have to admit that I am starting to get a little sick of Casboult being given game after game over Jones and KJ. While I admit that he is working hard at his kicking and that he is a better mark than the others in the forward line, his set shot kicking is horrendous.

In an older team this wouldn't be quite as bad, but with how young our team is, the constant misses can really sap the energy from our young players when they work hard to get the ball into the 50 only to have Sir Shanksalot kick a point or kicks it out on the full.

Given that he was only given a 1 year contract, I would assume that he is only there for depth and will be gone at the end of the season. Even if Jones & KJ are also on their last chance, wouldn't it be better to give them a chance?

 

[Soapy V]

195, 191, 192, 194; three of them are contested types, none of them are high possession earners. I'm going with yes.

I disagree. Macreadie & Marchbank are very mobile and can be attacking players. Saying they are talls insinuates they are almost lock down players. What excites me about our young defensive options is that they can match up on anyone and create. Look at Hawks Cats & Swans over lay few years. All quite tall and mobile and if playing well as a group could stop anyone's

 

[majesticseacapt]

i honestly think KJ doesnt have the desire to make it.

have heard some of his BOG performances on a saturday night in town. add that his body hasnt matured as expected and its obviously he lacks dedication to be an AFL footballer.

seems to be getting by on talent alone, its a shame. if he had the desire to improve such as SOJ or a judd in his youth, the kid could be a AFL KPP.

menzel appears in the same boat. bucket loads of talent, just lacks desire.

 

[majesticseacapt]

I think it's a little harsh for Jones to be dropped for this game. His leads and defensive pressure in the forward line were pretty decent. The lack of clean delivery into the forward line makes it a little hard for him to do his job.

agreed. i think jones is a hack, but his defensive pressure has improved 100% since malthouse has departed. He knows the writting is on the wall and seems to be working on his weaknesses.

I think he will get his chances throughout the year, but i think he just wont make it.

 

[rog1995]

In my opinion our list is severely unbalanced. We have far too many tall defenders on our list now. We currently have Jaksch, Rowe, Macreadie, Silvagni, Weitering, Marchbank. Thats 6 key defenders or KPP. Include players like Gorringe, Phillips, Mackay, Casboult, Jones, Korcheck and Kreuzer.

Thats 13 players on our list that are KPP. Compare that with the Dogs or Swans? Our midfield is severely depleted. We only have Murphy, Gibbs, Petrevski Seton, Curnow, Cripps, Fisher, Graham, Cunningham, Palmer perhaps Kerridge thats only 9/10 players on our entire list. We will most likely delist Graham, Kerridge, Palmer at years end and Murphy will be pushing 30.

We recruited Marchbank, macreadie and Silvagni in the last draft.
Have we gone overboard in recruiting defenders? Our midfield severely lacks depth and quality.
Midfielders should be an urgent priority.

 

[Jimmae]

I disagree. Macreadie & Marchbank are very mobile and can be attacking players. Saying they are talls insinuates they are almost lock down players. What excites me about our young defensive options is that they can match up on anyone and create. Look at Hawks Cats & Swans over lay few years. All quite tall and mobile and if playing well as a group could stop anyone's

To be clear, I am suggesting they are players who are not really going to be driving midfield possession, rather providing a release through marking the footy. Of the four, Plowman is probably the player with the least flair.

 

[inyourcool]

rog i agree but the risk with KP's is that most won't make it especially @ Carlton so a larger group is needed.

Would be nice to have another forward and a couple of mids otherwise

 

[Coona Blues]

i honestly think KJ doesnt have the desire to make it.

have heard some of his BOG performances on a saturday night in town. add that his body hasnt matured as expected and its obviously he lacks dedication to be an AFL footballer.

seems to be getting by on talent alone, its a shame. if he had the desire to improve such as SOJ or a judd in his youth, the kid could be a AFL KPP.

menzel appears in the same boat. bucket loads of talent, just lacks desire.

I have nothing to quote, but remember reading that he was doing a degree. Thought at the time that his AFL career may just be "working
his way through college". Great gig if you can get it.

Would love him to step up. Feeling that if our brains trust felt he was committed, would have been given plenty of opportunity given our list,
and his "talent".

 

[Nori]

I get that Bolts wants Weitering to settle in down back before regularly playing him forward, but what happens if he kicks 1-2 goals a quarter every time they throw him forward.

I'd imagine pretty quickly he would be playing forward full time.

The other thing that might fast track Weitering playing forward is the development of Macreadie. If he comes on in leaps and bounds then something will have to give. Even Soapy wouldn't play 5 talls in the the backline, surely.

 

[BluStreak]

In my opinion our list is severely unbalanced. We have far too many tall defenders on our list now. We currently have Jaksch, Rowe, Macreadie, Silvagni, Weitering, Marchbank. Thats 6 key defenders or KPP. Include players like Gorringe, Phillips, Mackay, Casboult, Jones, Korcheck and Kreuzer.

We recruited Marchbank, macreadie and Silvagni in the last draft.
Have we gone overboard in recruiting defenders? Our midfield severely lacks depth and quality.
Midfielders should be an urgent priority.

rog1995 not a knock but it would appear that Jaksch is being played more as a forward than as a defender.
It has been noted by track watchers that his kicking for goal is accurate. Something we definitely need.
If he shows that he can prove to be mobile in the forward line then I believe he will play seniors this year.

 

[F_therest]

I don't see how anyone can say macreadie has shown more than jaksch.

Don't see why we would bring in A Silvagni when we have so many defenders already with their hands up. I wasnt too pleased we picked him up instead of a rookie ruck in the first place. Just struggling to make sense of the selections

I don't think any club has more than 4 ruckmen on their list. We have enough in number, unfortunately most have injury issues.

 

[HBF]

I get that Bolts wants Weitering to settle in down back before regularly playing him forward, but what happens if he kicks 1-2 goals a quarter every time they throw him forward.

I'd imagine pretty quickly he would be playing forward full time.

The other thing that might fast track Weitering playing forward is the development of Macreadie. If he comes on in leaps and bounds then something will have to give. Even Soapy wouldn't play 5 talls in the the backline, surely.

I'l love to see Rowe, Marchbank and Plowman be our starting tall defenders for round 1, which means Weitering Cas and Jack can play forward. Even off 1 performance Macreadie has put his hand up, but is probably too much of an ask for him to play round 1.

 

[Jimmae]

I don't think any club has more than 4 ruckmen on their list. We have enough in number, unfortunately most have injury issues.

Bigger problem is they are all in the same age bracket, though I don't really count Gorringe as a starting ruck, and neither does the club. They want him to make it as a KPF first and foremost.

 

[Metalcrusher]

The clock is ticking on G'Orange

 

[Soapy V]

To be clear, I am suggesting they are players who are not really going to be driving midfield possession, rather providing a release through marking the footy. Of the four, Plowman is probably the least player with flair.

I believe our defence is set for the next 5-8 years minimum. So many options and can match up on anybody. Least of issues.

Target now should be more mids and a key forward or two