News Jnr Rioli - He’s back.

[mick06]

 

[Godfather32]

Today's the day, I can feel it

Today was not the day I guess

 

[greatwhiteshark]

It’s disgusting how a so called professional organisation like the AFL are dragging this out, the hearing was weeks ago. Decision should of been made in 2 days.

 

[Cuzz09]

Just saw this on his insta story... I wonder if he knows something we don't
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Another Willie to Richmond link...

 

[Aperture]

Another Willie to Richmond link...

Gatorade sponsorship?

 

[Chris_6678]

Maybe he is getting a pet Lion?

 

[Coasters7]

Another Willie to Richmond link...

Isnt that a lion? Willie for Ellis Yolmen?

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Maybe he is getting a pet Lion?

I mean, I never would have thought he could get one. Good on him.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The tribunal hearing was held and concluded on 16 December, 59 days ago.

The Essendon 34-player tribunal hearing was held over several sessions over several months, the final one of which was sometime in February 2015. So 1 February at the earliest.

That decision was handed down by the tribunal on 31 March 2015, ie an absolute maximum of 58 days after the conclusion of the hearing.

Even allowing for Covid related delays, I fail to see how it is possible that the tribunal can take longer to deliberate on charges against one player that took a day to hear, than they took in relation to charges against 34 players that took multiple days over several months to hear.

 

[Broken_Chairs]

523 days from today will be Saturday 22 July 2022. I presume we'll be playing footy that weekend & hopefully Willie will be out there with us.

 

[Biggie]

523

 

[Cuzz09]

I said today about 5pm

 

[FKASC]

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has handballed 523 times over his career, at an average of 5.1 per game.

#StatsThatMatter

 

[WCErevival]

I said today about 5pm

5:23pm

 

[Obeanie1]

Stupidity has nothing to do with education levels or opportunity. There are.plenty of highly educated people with the stupid.

And the flip side to that is people from disadvantaged backgrounds and education make more 'stupid' decisions. Mainly because they can have greater difficulty understanding / interpreting complex situations, rules, laws and regulations.

Never forget a story my father told me when he was travelling in remote communities the NT 40 years ago. The government sent a health team out to communities to educate people about the health benefits of using condoms. In order to explain / show what to do they got a broom stick and rolled a condom over the top of the handle. A month later they revisited the community and found dozens of broom sticks with condoms rolled onto the handles. They thought this 'white man treatment' would keep them safe from STD's because that is how they interpreted what was being explained to them.

 

[Rowan18]

And the flip side to that is people from disadvantaged backgrounds and education make more 'stupid' decisions. Mainly because they can have greater difficulty understanding / interpreting complex situations, rules, laws and regulations.

Never forget a story my father told me when he was travelling in remote communities the NT 40 years ago. The government sent a health team out to communities to educate people about the health benefits of using condoms. In order to explain / show what to do they got a broom stick and rolled a condom over the top of the handle. A month later they revisited the community and found dozens of broom sticks with condoms rolled onto the handles. They thought this 'white man treatment' would keep them safe from STD's because that is how they interpreted what was being explained to them.

That is both funny and tragic.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

And the flip side to that is people from disadvantaged backgrounds and education make more 'stupid' decisions. Mainly because they can have greater difficulty understanding / interpreting complex situations, rules, laws and regulations.

Never forget a story my father told me when he was travelling in remote communities the NT 40 years ago. The government sent a health team out to communities to educate people about the health benefits of using condoms. In order to explain / show what to do they got a broom stick and rolled a condom over the top of the handle. A month later they revisited the community and found dozens of broom sticks with condoms rolled onto the handles. They thought this 'white man treatment' would keep them safe from STD's because that is how they interpreted what was being explained to them.

I also remember stories like this from a couple of years ago (language/translation issues, not stupidity though. But it does highlight difficulties faced):

DEBATE over same-sex marriage is really heating up in an Arnhem Land community where about 50 surveys have been burned.

Furious residents of Ramingining, 560 kilometres east of Darwin, believed the survey was asking whether or not a man should be “compelled” to marry another man, according to Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) deputy statistician Jonathan Palmer.

He said experienced ABS field officers are currently visiting around 200 remote locations to help Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities participate in the voluntary Australian Marriage Law Postal Survey — as most people in remote communities don’t speak English a their first language.

Arnhem Land community burns gay marriage surveys

DEBATE over same-sex marriage is really heating up in an Arnhem Land community where about 50 surveys have been burned.

www.news.com.au

 

[Doashuey]

And the flip side to that is people from disadvantaged backgrounds and education make more 'stupid' decisions. Mainly because they can have greater difficulty understanding / interpreting complex situations, rules, laws and regulations.

Never forget a story my father told me when he was travelling in remote communities the NT 40 years ago. The government sent a health team out to communities to educate people about the health benefits of using condoms. In order to explain / show what to do they got a broom stick and rolled a condom over the top of the handle. A month later they revisited the community and found dozens of broom sticks with condoms rolled onto the handles. They thought this 'white man treatment' would keep them safe from STD's because that is how they interpreted what was being explained to them.

I think there is a difference between stupidity and ignorance. A person can make a mistake out of ignorance but not be stupid. It is when you should know better and go ahead and make the mistake that it becomes stupid.
The example you gave was a result of both- ignorance on the behalf of the aboriginal people who had no idea what a condom was or what to do with it because they had never seen one before and stupidity on behalf of the government health team who failed to adequately explain the purpose and use of the condom. The stupid ones in this case were the better educated people.

I imagine in Willies case, without access to all of the detail, that the decision he made was stupid. And its not because of his level of education. I would imagine that all AFL footballers have it drummed into them, what the processes are for ASADA visits and what you can or cant do- there is fair opportunity there for any AFL footballer to understand what is acceptable and what isnt. Willie may have ****ed up out of frustration, but he made a stupid decision despite the education provided and that has nothing to do with his race or background which was the original point CC was making.

 

[Obeanie1]

I think there is a difference between stupidity and ignorance. A person can make a mistake out of ignorance but not be stupid. It is when you should know better and go ahead and make the mistake that it becomes stupid.
The example you gave was a result of both- ignorance on the behalf of the aboriginal people who had no idea what a condom was or what to do with it because they had never seen one before and stupidity on behalf of the government health team who failed to adequately explain the purpose and use of the condom. The stupid ones in this case were the better educated people.

I imagine in Willies case, without access to all of the detail, that the decision he made was stupid. And its not because of his level of education. I would imagine that all AFL footballers have it drummed into them, what the processes are for ASADA visits and what you can or cant do- there is fair opportunity there for any AFL footballer to understand what is acceptable and what isnt. Willie may have f’ed up out of frustration, but he made a stupid decision despite the education provided and that has nothing to do with his race or background which was the original point CC was making.

Don't take this the wrong way.

That last paragraph and your thought process is IMO what McGuire tripped over in not understanding the complexities of race relations and cultural inequality.

You imagine from what little we know that Willie was stupid?

From your perspective.

I've been with indigenous women hunting mud crab and they stick their leg into a crab hole to dig them out with a bare foot.

To me that is stupid.....crazy stupid. But for traditional people hunting it makes perfect sense.

The point I'm trying to make is not all people are born with equal prospects in any country. There are the rich, middle class, working class and the disadvantaged. All have various and differing access to education and opportunities. And that leads to some making more uneducated decisions than others.

 

[Keys]

I love the guy but there’s really only one word to sum up what Willie did and that’s “stupid”

 

[Doashuey]

Don't take this the wrong way.

That last paragraph and your thought process is IMO what McGuire tripped over in not understanding the complexities of race relations and cultural inequality.

You imagine from what little we know that Willie was stupid?

From your perspective.

I've been with indigenous women hunting mud crab and they stick their leg into a crab hole to dig them out with a bare foot.

To me that is stupid.....crazy stupid. But for traditional people hunting it makes perfect sense.

The point I'm trying to make is not all people are born with equal prospects in any country. There are the rich, middle class, working class and the disadvantaged. All have various and differing access to education and opportunities. And that leads to some making more uneducated decisions than others.

Not at all. I understand quite well that many indigenous kids are starting a long way back when it comes to education, job opportunities and general social interaction in an affluent predominantly white society. My dad cut his teeth teaching aboriginal kids on cattle stations in the Kimberleys in the 60s so I have a good appreciation of the inequities faced.

That said, it follows logic that if what we have been told is true, and given that Willie would have had it drilled into him like every other player, that substituting your piss with something other than piss when ASADA comes knocking is pretty ****ing stupid. Im going to make a pretty safe assumption here and say that it isn't only from my perspective- I reckon the club and Willie himself would agree with me.

Toe baiting muddies works, no doubt they are tough bastards but yeah, dont see it being offered up as a degree at Charles Sturt.

 

[Doashuey]

Don't take this the wrong way.

That last paragraph and your thought process is IMO what McGuire tripped over in not understanding the complexities of race relations and cultural inequality.
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Just to be clear here, and after re-reading that paragraph to understand where you came to that conclusion, are you inferring that despite plenty of education provided by the club, that Willie did not have the ability to grasp the concepts being taught because of his background or race?

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Just to be clear here, and after re-reading that paragraph to understand where you came to that conclusion, are you inferring that despite plenty of education provided by the club, that Willie did not have the ability to grasp the concepts being taught because of his background or race?

Tbh I dare say that an outcome of this will be exploring whether cultural factors have been adequately considered in the development & delivery anti-doping/ASADA training provided by the AFL.

 

[ziad]

Tbh I dare say that an outcome of this will be exploring whether cultural factors have been adequately considered in the development & delivery anti-doping/ASADA training provided by the AFL.

Sounds an appropriate response. On the face of it though, Willie has acted in the dumbest manner ever seen.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Can we just call him silly so that it rhymes?

Silly Willie.