News Jobe Watson hands back 2012 Brownlow Medal

[THE THIN MAN]

 

[Bojangles17]

troll this idiot

 

[Bojangles17]

Stats are almost the same over their careers. Take away the drug enhancements and Cotch would easily have him covered, and with still a few years left in his prime.

that's right , and I always have one Q for bummers fans that leaves them shaking their heads ,,,why couldn't Watson win the Brownlow in a year he wasn't banned for using performance enhancing supplements , they have nothing....its gold ,,,every time

 

[RememberRoyce]

With respect, this has been argued for about the last four years on the HTB.

It doesn't matter whether the players were led astray by Hird or Dank or the doctors or whoever. That may well affect the degree of punishment but it does not effect the guilt under the laws that the players all agreed to. All this stuff about them being tricked does not gel with the facts. It's just that so many people find it hard to think a player could be that stupid. Well Lance Armstrong was stupid too. As was Justin Charles.

What galls me and probably a lot of others is firstly the bullshit narrative being pushed by Essendon, the AFL and the yobbo segment of the spors media that 'they are good blokes' and 'unfairly punished'. That's completely unprofessional. And even if Jobe is 'a good bloke' the campaigner knew the day of reckoning was coming. And if he had an ounce of integrity he would have made the statement the day the appeal failed. It's not like he didn't have much time to think about it beforehand.

This is the biggest scandal to ever hit the game (the previous one was probably 100 years ago with the Carlton players throwing a game). I will get pleasure out of booing all the campaigners involved until they are all retired. And if that upsets some Essendon supporters they can lick my scrote.

Well said.....agree with all of that (except the scrote licking part.....way overboard imo!)

I've already started preseason.

Booooooooo. Booooooooooooo!

 

[RememberRoyce]

That doesn't prove they administered substances banned by ASADA/WADA though. This is even moreso the case when it comes to the players.

Is that negligence? Yes. Baffling how you don't know what you have administered and my understanding is that those who were involved in that were moved on from Essendon.

Is that enough proof to say they have doped? No, and that is my point. Among what people criticise the players of doing was doping, so based on the circumstantial evidence that has been used in this case, I don't think this is the conclusion we can reach. You'd need evidence beyond reasonable doubt to say someone did something if we're talking about fairness, and that wasn't found.

You have read the texts between Dank and Carter right?

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

The little campaigner should not have walked off the ground. It was an opportunity to stand up and make a statement and it was missed.

 

[exceptional design]

"Beyond reasonable doubt" isn't the level of proof required here. The court only had to be "comfortably satisfied" that the players took banned substances, which they were. As were the appeals courts. As should anyone who paid attention and didn't just rely on the AFL, Essendon and their mouthpieces in the media for information. They've been treating us like idiots.

Nice Profile Pic

 

[fleabitten]

Nice Profile Pic

Thanks to yourself. My photoshop skills are much worse and we'll probably have to wait until the week before the 2017 GF to get a legit version.

 

[sante]

The medal shouldn't be awarded to anyone for 2012.

 

[Rance2Mewtwo]

The medal shouldn't be awarded to anyone for 2012.

...said no Richmond supporter ever.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

The medal shouldn't be awarded to anyone for 2012.

Why should the other clubs and its players be penalised because Essendon and its players cheated?

By withholding the medal you are penalising innocent players from other clubs.

 

[SouthernStripes]

campaigner should have been stripped of the brownlow just for wearing that ridiculous hat

 

[Foley#41]

The medal shouldn't be awarded to anyone for 2012.

I disagree. The fact that the AFL and EFC have made such a prolonged pigs ear of the whole business does not mean the rightful winners should be denied.

And I'll tell you what shits me most:
Point 24 of the full CAS hearing says the Essendon leadership (including Watson)received player concerns about the supplement program in January 2012
And point 32 states Essendon self-reported to the AfL and ASADA in September 2012
Which means the AfL and Essendon had concerns that Jobe was not clean by the time he was accepting the award (Sept 24th 2012).

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Ahhhh yes good old AFL...ever vigilant about the game's standards and standing in the community...

 

[johnno77]

Why should you decry other peoples opinions; you are entitled to yours and they are entitled to theirs.

Did you actually read what I was responding to? I was accused of being drunk for stating the opinion I held. Did you call him out on bagging me for having a different opinion? Of course you didn't. His opinion probably matches yours. I'll leave you all to it. I'm out.

 

[caroma]

The medal shouldn't be awarded to anyone for 2012.

He was suspended for something which occurred during the 2012 season. Doesn't matter if it was found after the fact. Like someone who is ineligible for striking he too is ineligible. In that case the medal must be awarded to the player/s that came second. It is up to Trent and Sam to decide if they will accept it, but even then their names should still be recorded as the winners.

If the AFL go the * route, then they are making a mockery of what the medal stands for, football, Australian sport in general and themselves.

 

[Maybenextyear]

Why should the other clubs and its players be penalised because Essendon and its players cheated?

By withholding the medal you are penalising innocent players from other clubs.

Spot on. Not Mitchell or Cotchins doing he was on the gear. If a player is suspened for striking and misses the medal it is not any other players fault.I don't hear Corey McKernan or Chris Grant complaining about the medal going to second place because they were suspended and missed out.

Bad luck , give it to the correct winners and move on.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Expect Cotch's win to be announced on Tuesday. A deserving winner of the Brownlow.

 

[Tigersfan35]

God this has is taking to long, just give the bloody medal to Cotch!!!!!

 

[Tigersfan35]

Whats the bet that when he gets the medal there will be some random Dons fan on the main board having a cry about how it is unfair and that he and Sam Mitchell don't deserve it.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Stats are almost the same over their careers. Take away the drug enhancements and Cotch would easily have him covered, and with still a few years left in his prime.

Watch Jab's stats go into free fall now he's off the peps.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Whats the bet that when he gets the medal there will be some random Dons fan on the main board having a cry about how it is unfair and that he and Sam Mitchell don't deserve it.

Too late its already started.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Why should you decry other peoples opinions; you are entitled to yours and they are entitled to theirs.

So he gets jumped on for stating his opinion and defends himself, doesn't actually decry other people's opinion at all. Other way round actually.
Maybe actually read the whole conversation first before jumping down people's throat?

 

[Groupie_]

Cotchin Brownlow

 

[Oxxy]

The medal shouldn't be awarded to anyone for 2012.

Let it forever remain the year that the games highest award went to nobody.

Kind of like why we keep Auschwitz standing, as a reminder of the evil in man.