LukeParkerno1
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Well then I'd take my chances with the bidding system. Next year is a rebuilding year anyway so we will LIKELY come in the bottom 6 anyway, so therefore we would likely only have to give up a 2nd rounder for a top player.
Joe Daniher
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what bombersno1 said. If a team above us wants him, we just give up a second round.
Acceptable risk, and either way, we get the player we want paying unders regardless, by nature of the system
Acceptable risk, and either way, we get the player we want paying unders regardless, by nature of the system
The hype around Daniher on this board is ridiculous. There is still two years before he even gets drafted. A lot can happen eg Darling, Swift.
This hype reminds me a lot of Hawkins and Geelong. At present he hasn't been as dominant as lot suggested. But at least Hawkins was still rated highly at Draft time. Daniher may not be ...
DaSawx
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Not to mention Steinberg may very well be a 3rd tall, Le Cras type forward.
that may be correct but that would still be draft pick 22 for him hypothetically in 2012. with a compromised draft again in 2011 the first round will be at least 26 picks long. i think essendon could trade their 2nd round pick in 2011 for daniher which could be a pick in the mid-late 30s.
its definitely worth considering as it gets him to the club 12 months earlier and quickens his development. going back more than a decade matthew lloyd was secured as a 16yo key forward. its seems a shame to have to wait a year longer if joe daniher is so good. get him ASAP i say.
LukeParkerno1
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We will not get him for a 2nd rounder under a deal with GWS. They will want a first rounder, bare minimum. Seems a ridiculously stupid risk as well as GWS are under NO obligation to let him go to Essendon and Sheedy will want Daniher playing for GWS. It is not worth considering at all.
We won't win more than 7 games next year. AT BEST that is pick 5/6. Cannot see teams 1-4 bidding their pick 1,2, 3, or 4 on Daniher. This means we are forced to use pick 22 on a player rated in the top 5. That is a BARGAIN.
We won't win more than 7 games next year. AT BEST that is pick 5/6. Cannot see teams 1-4 bidding their pick 1,2, 3, or 4 on Daniher. This means we are forced to use pick 22 on a player rated in the top 5. That is a BARGAIN.
Unless the bidding system is compromised by our ability to take him as a father son. Would need clarification of the rules (which if GC is anything to go by are made up along the way), but if we have the option to F/S him if a trade with GWS can not be agreed upon, then GWS might be better off getting a second rounder off us and providing us with Daniher than getting a second rounder from another club for a different 17yo player.
If Daniher has the ability to decline a trade to other teams or to see what is offered before committing to the 17yo pre-trade, then the ball is firmly in our court.
Whatever happens, GWS are going to take the earliest picks they can get, they are not going to care about what is fair or not.
We could even do a Brisbane/GC if they take 2 of our players, and trade them back the compo pick. They'd surely be all over that.
yaco55
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The AFL holds sacred the F/S rule - so whatever the machinations are
1) J.Daniher decides to choose Syd or Ess - The bidding system comes into play
or he enters the draft.
Conspiricacy theory
Assuming that ( unofficially ) J.Daniher agrees to join EFC - Could he play dead for the next year to ensure less clubs bid for his service.
1) J.Daniher decides to choose Syd or Ess - The bidding system comes into play
or he enters the draft.
Conspiricacy theory
Assuming that ( unofficially ) J.Daniher agrees to join EFC - Could he play dead for the next year to ensure less clubs bid for his service.
I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. GWS are there to get the best deal possible for themselves. If this ridiculous situation you suggest arrises in that a player is telling GWS which club he's going to, thereby reducing/eliminating GWS's ability to receive the best possible trade, that player will surely not be 1 of the 4 kids picked up by GWS and ontraded.
And my point stands, why trade for a player we're going to get under market value the following year anyway?
The bidding will actually be done based on 2012 finishing position... I'd be pretty disappointed if we weren't pushing for top 8 by then.
But I don't see our finishing position to be that relevant anyway, by way of F/S bidding system at worst we will pay 1 pick below market value, and at best we pay 17 picks below market value for him. Whether that turns out to be a 1st round pick or 4th round pick, doesn't matter, it'll be a good deal either way.
We'd be stoopid to base our current drafting on the possible availability of a guy who hasn't even nominated ffs.
Just to clarify, no one is trading picks to GWS for these 4 kids. GWS must receive experienced AFL players through this trade.
That said, GWS will not accept a player worth a mid-late 30s pick in exchange for any of the 4 potential top 10 draft picks.
i've been advised GWS does not pick the players but merely trades 4 picks in a mini-draft of 17yos. A similar thing happened when Fremantle entered comp when Essendon traded to get the no.1 pick in a 16yo draft in which they selected Matthew Lloyd.
With this in mind it does make more sense to wait to secure Joe Daniher under father/son rule the following season. I wonder whether he can be permitted to train with Essendon and play with Bendigo Bombers in 2012 prior to draft?
Sheedy has already expressed interest in Laycock so i'd imagine he may have interest in several other Bombers.
With any luck the Bombers might be able to do a deal that will get another highly rated 17yo in this mini-draft.
With this in mind it does make more sense to wait to secure Joe Daniher under father/son rule the following season. I wonder whether he can be permitted to train with Essendon and play with Bendigo Bombers in 2012 prior to draft?
Sheedy has already expressed interest in Laycock so i'd imagine he may have interest in several other Bombers.
With any luck the Bombers might be able to do a deal that will get another highly rated 17yo in this mini-draft.
LukeParkerno1
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I fully expect us to rebuild heavily for two years, that is my feeling. This is a good side, BUT it is so young and as a result needs time. If we come bottom 6 in 2012, we get Daniher cheaply, that won't be a bad result.
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jack-viney-commits-to-demons/story-e6frf9jf-1225959360745
Pardon my ignorance, but why can't we do the same?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jack-viney-commits-to-demons/story-e6frf9jf-1225959360745
Pardon my ignorance, but why can't we do the same?
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Maybe Daniher hasn't decided on joining us?
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Why the heck not?
We can, and probably will- I guess it just depends on what our options are. If we lock him in now, the we could be committing a 1st round pick to him- If there are other options to get him in cheaper, then we'd be silly not to look at them.
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I don't know. I read a while ago he was yet to be a "lock" but then I saw that picture of him with the other father/son prospects for the football academy.
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Yeah the one with Hirdy, that's what I thought.
LukeParkerno1
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We would be stupid not to pursue every other option. Plus we are probably sizing up the PUNT of trying to go into the bidding system.
Would much rather he goes to the Bombers than Sydney or their cross-town counterparts.
You guys could very well have one of the tallest forward lines going around in a few years, and could be quite difficult for the shorter defence's of the comp to match up on.
You guys could very well have one of the tallest forward lines going around in a few years, and could be quite difficult for the shorter defence's of the comp to match up on.
