John McCarthy passes away in Las Vegas. RIP

[Blacky]

what if he made it up to the roof and got locked in or couldnt find the door again to get back out. so he thought he would just climb down the tree to get down.

Not sensational enough for the media, or your average Bigfooty punter.

 

[kaysee]

Ok the LAV Coroner has already stated that CCTV footage shows him walking into the Flamingo only minutes before his fall. It looks like he didn't have time to do anything "seedy" there at all... so perhaps we can dial back on that line of thought?

 

[Doctor Feel]

You can rule out foul play, the police said there was "no interaction between 2 humans on the roof."

 

[Blacky]

Someone call the Coroner and tell them they can have the weekend off, from the sounds of things Bigfooty has it covered.

 

[The Karma Bus]

Disregarding if people should be throwing up theories:
We've already seen a simple thing be wrong, that he fell from a balcony.. When the Coroner has now said from the roof..

How many more will be wrong? A lot..
Yet some are throwing nets so far and wide as to what it could be.. Why bother?
Even if you want to know, you will be so far from the truth that it's not funny..
He could have simply tripped, have a fear of heights and went near the edge, had a heart attack while on the roof and fell, whatever..
Alcohol may be involved, it may not be..
People may be shocked, people may not be..

Seen this so many times and all of the theories are never even close to the events..
It's actually human nature to wonder what has happened, how did it happen etc, there's nothing wrong with that.. But don't attempt to put a slant on it that something dodgy has taken place..
Give it a rest..

 

[RedWhite4Ever]

Id say this is extremely unlikely

One reason is they just got to Vegas. Basically impossible to meet a girl and then arrange to meet them again later that night at a Casino far away from where you originally landed. Unless hes Casanova, and shes wonder woman, the logistics of it all just dont work.

Secondly, if hes after just some random girl (hookers esp) he doesnt go the flamingo for that. All of that kind of stuff would happen in his hotel room, so he'd be at the Hard Rock if doing any of that.

How do you know that??

Dude, you're just speculating and a small majority of posters are lapping your shit up. It makes me sick when I read posters in the thread say "Oh yeah, thats a really logical an insightful post.." no its not!!

It's just heresay and conjecture, you are worse than the mothers meetings at the local shopping center, they have to know everything right now, right there. It really is pathetic. Just take a step back and wait for an official announcement from the PAFC or Las Vegas authorities or coroner or anyone more qualified than the media or gossip!

 

[iameviljez]

I, like most people I suspect, are curious as to how John came to be dead on the driveway of the Flamingo hotel.

At the moment we are only getting snippets of information (which may or may not be correct) and there are some huge blanks in the series of events that lead to his death.

Of course we all are, it's only normal to be curious, but I think that the point that most are making here is that now is not the right time to indulge our curiosity. That will all come out in the wash with the County Office's report anyway.

 

[Doss]

So many aspersions being cast in here, when in reality we all know so little.

 

[Keys]

Of course we all are, it's only normal to be curious, but I think that the point that most are making here is that now is not the right time to indulge our curiosity. That will all come out in the wash with the County Office's report anyway.

Agree and thats why I said in the part of my post you deleted that speculation was unhelpful

 

[Frankston Rover]

If you actually had any comprehension skills you might realise that I wasn't insinuating that he had gone there to commit any illegal activities. I'm of the belief that he went there to meet up with someone, possibly of the female persuation.

Goodness me...

You are either really, really dumb or are trolling up a storm.

 

[KrakFiend]

Any comments been made recently I can take moral offence to?

Has anyone dared hypothesize what happened in this high profile death without having all the facts?! Burn them if so! Burn them!

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

The only one that is acting holier than thou is you. It is you that wishes to conjecture about something possibly immoral that he was doing. How can you accuse others of being hypersensitive to morality when your first instinct is to reach negative conclusions about his behaviour?

It is you that is salaciously speculating about everything he could have been doing that might be perceived as wrong. You are the moraliser. You are Helen Lovejoy.

I'm not suggesting him being at the Flamingo is related to his death. My first post in this thread suggested that his reason for being there may be kept quiet to protect his memory, nothing more, nothing less.

Personally I couldn't care less if he was doing drugs/hookers/killing kittens, it doesn't make a difference. It just seemed odd to me that someone would go to the worst joint in town so rightly or wrongly I drew my own conclusion.

I'll give you a hint, it's rightly.

 

[PoppedCorn]

very sad news
no matter the circumstances
22 years old ffs
his partner family parents and friends , well words prob cannot describe the emotions they have at this current time



this is an internet forum
about footy, and all things footy related
what do people expect when they come here to read?
that everyone will have the same opinion as them?
will grieve and say the same thing as them?
will post the same??

be real
yeah yeah a bit of tact etc etc....i agree
but you think you are going to get that here??????
people WILL want to know what happened, WILL speculate, and i dont see mods deleting these posts.

seriously if you dont like it then dont open the thread or dont read it or dont waste the time arguing trying to get your opinions and feelings across to someone else who has different ones

i suppose im guilty of that now as well
but after reading 40 pages the bickering between the thought police and self appointed moderators just gets laughable

RIP JMac

 

[Frankston Rover]

I'm not suggesting him being at the Flamingo is related to his death. My first post in this thread suggested that his reason for being there may be kept quiet to protect his memory, nothing more, nothing less.

Personally I couldn't care less if he was doing drugs/hookers/killing kittens, it doesn't make a difference. It just seemed odd to me that someone would go to the worst joint in town so rightly or wrongly I drew my own conclusion.

I'll give you a hint, it's rightly.

Yep, you're a w@nker.

 

[Rob]

what if he made it up to the roof and got locked in or couldnt find the door again to get back out. so he thought he would just climb down the tree to get down.

I have to say, given what we know at the moment this seems the most likely scenario.

Why he made it up there in the first place we may never know.

 

[KrakFiend]

I'm not suggesting him being at the Flamingo is related to his death.

Given it is where he died, I would say the relationship between the Flamingo and his death is a pretty strong one

 

[wart101]

Now isn't the time to run his name through the mud even if only hypothesizing, RIP John.

 

[iameviljez]

I'm not suggesting him being at the Flamingo is related to his death. My first post in this thread suggested that his reason for being there may be kept quiet to protect his memory, nothing more, nothing less.

Personally I couldn't care less if he was doing drugs/hookers/killing kittens, it doesn't make a difference.

Yes, but there are plenty of people who do care. Quite a lot.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

....... It just seemed odd to me that someone would go to the worst joint in town so rightly or wrongly I drew my own conclusion....

That's your opinion about the place so no wonder you drew that conclusion. How many times have you been to Vegas? What's the worst place in Melbourne according to you?? How many people would agree? How many people would list other places? How do you work out what is the worst place in Vegas?

 

[Woody15]

Are people really speculating as to whether he was at a different hotel for hookers or other reasons ?

Come on. Some people simply have absolutely no idea. There are things where you just keep your mouth shut until the reasons are released and made public. If proven wrong, all you've done is partake in gossip that portrays someone in a bad light. Ridiculous some of you.

 

[Noobz0r]

So many ridiculous aspersions in the last few pages of this thread. It is nothing more than guesswork, and will most likely be wrong, or will cast it in the wrong light.

Stop being petty and bignoting yourselves.

 

[The Goon]

Personally I couldn't care less if he was doing drugs/hookers/killing kittens, it doesn't make a difference. It just seemed odd to me that someone would go to the worst joint in town so rightly or wrongly I drew my own conclusion.

It's a pretty big assumption to think he knew it was "the worst joint in town" isn't it? Just arrived - jet lagged - probably drunk - likely never been to Vegas before?????

 

[JuddsABlue]

How do you know that??

Dude, you're just speculating and a small majority of posters are lapping your shit up. It makes me sick when I read posters in the thread say "Oh yeah, thats a really logical an insightful post.." no its not!!

It's just heresay and conjecture, you are worse than the mothers meetings at the local shopping center, they have to know everything right now, right there. It really is pathetic. Just take a step back and wait for an official announcement from the PAFC or Las Vegas authorities or coroner or anyone more qualified than the media or gossip!

I'm educated on the culture of Vegas because I've been there several times in the past 3 years, and in the same age bracket as McCarthy. I dont know anything for sure, all I can do is offer my opinion from my experience on the town and how it works.

The reason I originally wrote my thoughts on it was because I believed people were making some pretty outlandish statements trying to create a murder myster or some type of case with a twist, when all the evidence and common sense point to an accident with no foul play.

I'm not looking for juice or a front page story. My belief is it was an accident, and an accident perfectly capable or likely to happen given the information we have and what I know of the city

 

[Hollow Knight]

It's a pretty big assumption to think he knew it was "the worst joint in town" isn't it? Just arrived - jet lagged - probably drunk - likely never been to Vegas before?????

Yeah, not to mention that it is a completely subjective assessment anyway. Maybe he wanted to see the Flamingo BECAUSE it is the stereotypical tacky Vegas hotel. Maybe he wanted to see it for its interesting past related to organized crime. Hell maybe he is a Hunter S Thompson fan (the Flamingo is the setting of a pretty iconic scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas). Maybe he was just lost.

Speculation is natural... It's more the way that people immediately leap to drugs, hookers and other worst case scenario stuff that makes me question their intentions.

 

[Plugger35]

what if he made it up to the roof and got locked in or couldnt find the door again to get back out. so he thought he would just climb down the tree to get down.

That would seem a pretty likely scenario, much more likely then any sinister foul play being involved as it sounds like he was on his own, drunk and disorientated.