John McCarthy passes away in Las Vegas. RIP

[Doss]

Yeah, not to mention that it is a completely subjective assessment anyway. Maybe he wanted to see the Flamingo BECAUSE it is the stereotypical tacky Vegas hotel. Maybe he wanted to see it for its interesting past related to organized crime. Hell maybe he is a Hunter S Thompson fan (the Flamingo is the setting of a pretty iconic scene in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas). Maybe he was just lost.

Speculation is natural... It's more the way that people immediately leap to drugs, hookers and other worst case scenario stuff that makes me question their intentions.

That is exactly the issue for me.

Of course speculation is natural. It's the manner in which people are using exactly that- speculation, not cold hard facts- to fill in gaps and effectively say "1+1=5", that is annoying me.

 

[Werewolf]

I'm not suggesting him being at the Flamingo is related to his death. My first post in this thread suggested that his reason for being there may be kept quiet to protect his memory, nothing more, nothing less.

Personally I couldn't care less if he was doing drugs/hookers/killing kittens, it doesn't make a difference. It just seemed odd to me that someone would go to the worst joint in town so rightly or wrongly I drew my own conclusion.

I'll give you a hint, it's rightly.

IIRC you seemed to know what Libba jnr was up to on his night out. You're not Hutchy are you?

Edit: Sorry, got you confused with another North poster. But still, let's wait for the facts before speculating, OK?

 

[PoppedCorn]

just saw a flash at the bottom of the screen on fox sports news that the coroner has confirmed he fell from a height of 9 meters

 

[Keys]

From Caro's article in the age

Port Adelaide Football Club chief executive Keith Thomas told Fairfax Media McCarthy was on the roof of the three-storey Flamingo Casino, which is separate to the 30-storey hotel, and his fall had been captured on CCTV camera

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tragic-fall-casts-a-pall-over-the-game-20120910-25oha.html#ixzz267xZWpvp​

Won't explain why he was there but the authorities will know how he fell at least

 

[NT.Thunder]

I'm not suggesting him being at the Flamingo is related to his death. My first post in this thread suggested that his reason for being there may be kept quiet to protect his memory, nothing more, nothing less.

Personally I couldn't care less if he was doing drugs/hookers/killing kittens, it doesn't make a difference. It just seemed odd to me that someone would go to the worst joint in town so rightly or wrongly I drew my own conclusion.

I'll give you a hint, it's rightly.

Unfortunately with posts like this, you have already tarred the memory of JMAc for many posters and supporters on here.

Leave the speculation and inuendo for chit chat with your mates and not in a RIP thread.

Until something comes out in a statement from police, family, the club or a like just leave it alone or head to the bay!

 

[dmc333]

That would seem a pretty likely scenario, much more likely then any sinister foul play being involved as it sounds like he was on his own, drunk and disorientated.

I pulled a move like that once when I'd been drinking. Took a wrong turn and ended up on an overpass when I should have been under it, looked down and thought, "that's not so far", climbed over the railing and lowered myself down, then realised I've still got 4 metres to jump and I couldn't climb back. Feet were sore the next day.

 

[Conan Troutman]

just saw a flash at the bottom of the screen on fox sports news that the coroner has confirmed he fell from a height of 9 meters

Yeah he has, and also that "it's the Coroner's belief that he fell from the rooftop of a service building".

Check out this video...
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/top...tel-in-las-vegas/story-e6frg12l-1226470914423

 

[JuddsABlue]

I'm not suggesting him being at the Flamingo is related to his death. My first post in this thread suggested that his reason for being there may be kept quiet to protect his memory, nothing more, nothing less.

Personally I couldn't care less if he was doing drugs/hookers/killing kittens, it doesn't make a difference. It just seemed odd to me that someone would go to the worst joint in town so rightly or wrongly I drew my own conclusion.

I'll give you a hint, it's rightly.

The worst joint in town? Are you serious?

Flamingo would be in the top 5% of 'joints' in Las Vegas

It would be in the top 30% of 'joints' on the strip

You do not go the Flamingo to partake in shady activities, you go there if you're a tourist.

AND he is a tourist, he doesnt know the good joints from the bad joints, where to score or where to get laid. He knows what he saw on TV, and Flamingo is one of the most prominent casinos shown on TV

 

[Scotland]

Incredibly sad story, best wishes go to the McCarthy family, his partner, PAFC, Collingwood FC and all that knew him.

A poor reflection on society that even such a tragic event still attracts those that feel the need to speculate via the media - social or otherwise, but the less time spent validating these elements the better.

As a player who with absolutely no disrespect intended had a short career to date and would not be well known (at least personally) to many within the club I support, I hope the club honours his passing this weekend against Collingwood. There is no need to go OTT but I think a small acknowledgement on the banner and black armbands would be appropriate.

 

[satan1]

I'm not suggesting him being at the Flamingo is related to his death. My first post in this thread suggested that his reason for being there may be kept quiet to protect his memory, nothing more, nothing less.

Personally I couldn't care less if he was doing drugs/hookers/killing kittens, it doesn't make a difference. It just seemed odd to me that someone would go to the worst joint in town so rightly or wrongly I drew my own conclusion.

I'll give you a hint, it's rightly.

You also seem to think Bugsy Malone is a real person, so I think the conclusion you've drawn is most likely 'wrongly'.

 

[Macca19]

Speculation is natural... It's more the way that people immediately leap to drugs, hookers and other worst case scenario stuff that makes me question their intentions.

According to the reports, there was only a matter of minutes between the footage of him walking in and footage of him on the roof concourse. I'd say its pretty clear that it wasnt hooker/drug related.

Given he was probably intoxicated, lost & disoriented and probably feeling pretty anxious that he couldnt find his way home, maybe hes seen this concourse whilst walking past, decided to go in and get up there to have a better look around and made a silly decision on how to get down.

 

[PoppedCorn]

Yeah he has, and also that "it's the Coroner's belief that he fell from the rooftop of a service building".

Check out this video...
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/top...tel-in-las-vegas/story-e6frg12l-1226470914423

thanks for the link

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

You also seem to think Bugsy Malone is a real person, so I think the conclusion you've drawn is most likely 'wrongly'.

Haha.

Bugsy Siegel!

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Any comments been made recently I can take moral offence to?

Has anyone dared hypothesize what happened in this high profile death without having all the facts?! Burn them if so! Burn them!

underrated post

 

[Plugger35]

I pulled a move like that once when I'd been drinking. Took a wrong turn and ended up on an overpass when I should have been under it, looked down and thought, "that's not so far", climbed over the railing and lowered myself down, then realised I've still got 4 metres to jump and I couldn't climb back. Feet were sore the next day.

Yeah I've done similar stupid stuff myself when I've been really drunk. Got refused entry to the Redback pub in London late one night for being too drunk and thought it would be a good idea to climb over the back wall of the beer garden and try to sneak in the back way. It was quite a high wall and I can't remember how I managed to climb up there but once I was up on top of the wall I had the problem of getting back down again which was a lot further than I realised. Luckily some people saw me, realised I was a drunken idiot and got me a ladder to climb back down before I fell off or did something stupid trying to get back down and injured myself.

That's the problem when you're drunk and not thinking straight, you take stupid risks without thinking about the consequences and your judgement is impaired too which is why McCarthy in his drunken state might have tried to get down off the roof by climbing down a palm tree without realising the risks involved and exactly how high up he was.

 

[SpeciousArgument]

Yeah I've done similar stupid stuff myself when I've been really drunk. Got refused entry to the Redback pub in London late one night for being too drunk and thought it would be a good idea to climb over the back wall of the beer garden and try to sneak in the back way. It was quite a high wall and I can't remember how I managed to climb up there but once I was up on top of the wall I had the problem of getting back down again which was a lot further than I realised. Luckily some people saw me, realised I was a drunken idiot and got me a ladder to climb back down before I fell off or did something stupid trying to get back down and injured myself.

That's the problem when you're drunk and not thinking straight, you take stupid risks without thinking about the consequences and your judgement is impaired too which is why McCarthy in his drunken state might have tried to get down off the roof by climbing down a palm tree without realising the risks involved and exactly how high up he was.

I once realised that the shortest, flattest and most direct route home was walking on the train tracks... *shakes head*

 

[Ando727]

I totally get why people are so curious about this, and by this stage people aren't visiting this thread anymore just to pay their respects. I just hope they do find a conclusive explanation because it would be a real shame if all this speculation were to become John's lasting legacy. It's hard for somebody to rest in peace with nonsense stories following them forever.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Sadly a proper conclusion will probably never eventuate.Most here would be familiar with that ordinary feeling of being drunk or tired or perhaps drink spiked etc and ending up somewhere,somehow and having no idea how or why.Its terrifying in hindsight and you realize how lucky you were.
John on the other hand could have been really unlucky in a completely innocent and tragic accident where nobody really knows what happened

 

[SaintsSeptember]

If you actually had any comprehension skills you might realise that I wasn't insinuating that he had gone there to commit any illegal activities. I'm of the belief that he went there to meet up with someone, possibly of the female persuation.

If that was found to be true, a lot of the public view of the case goes from "poor bloke" to ".....karma". Not that I agree with that, it's a sad story regardless of what he was doing at the Flamingo.

In actual fact its the false sympathisers and holier than thou people that will be more likely to do a complete backflip and feign outrage if this was the case.

I comprehend the use of your word Possibly. Therefore he may also have gone in to possibly meet his stock broker, or possibly meet a Chimpanzee named Bobo.
It is good that you share your belief , which like many belief's seems to be based more on speculation and faith than any concrete evidence.

 

[Handsome.B.Wonderful]

I comprehend the use of your word Possibly. Therefore he may also have gone in to possibly meet his stock broker, or possibly meet a Chimpanzee named Bobo.
It is good that you share your belief , which like many belief's seems to be based more on speculation and faith than any concrete evidence.

Um......wut?

 

[MarkCatsFan]

Pretty wary of the people guessing and creating 'rumours' about what may have happened in here.

Journalists have no class after-all. Would not put it past some journo seeing something on a discussion board like this one and publishing it, then suddenly it circulates everywhere and people start believing it as fact. It has happened via BigFooty before with footy rumours.

I don't have a huge problem with speculation if it is kept in here. But all it takes these days is for one scumbag journalist to cite a facebook post, tweet or Forum post as a 'source' and suddenly it is published everywhere and people believe it.

So just be careful with what you write.

 

[Balony_pony16]

How very detailed.
Case closed.

Seems pretty close to the mark...just missed his walk to get a yiros or hot dog

 

[Coaster2012]

Well apparently he has called his gf hours before very distressed, so it seems he was under the influence of some type of intoxicant, weather it was harder drugs (hallucinogenic or just you typical booze) or not is yet to be determined.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Well apparently he has called his gf hours before very distressed, so it seems he was under the influence of some type of intoxicant, weather it was harder drugs (hallucinogenic or just you typical booze) or not is yet to be determined.

So what did he say in the conversation??? Journo's will say whatever they want for dramatic effect.

Can you use an iPhone if you are on hallucogenics? Steve Jobs has always said dropping acid was an important part of developing his creative thinking. He never said he dropped acid and used his iPhone at the same time.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Um......wut?

You said he may have gone in to "possibly " meet a woman.
Based on a similar amount of evidence ( and the fact that the flamingo is not a brothel ) I can just as easily surmise that he went in to meet a chimpanzee.
If you think I'm being stupid, then you should realise that you have been equally as stupid.

Have you actually ever been to Vegas. You walk along the strip and you go into any joint that takes your fancy. The Flamingo is in the middle of it all. Unemployed mexican's in the street hand you "brochures" about where you can obtain female companionship ( while your wife is walking next to you ehhhh ).

Yeah he might have been doing something sus because its pretty easy in Vegas. That doesn't mean he was though, and its moronic to suggest that his location meant that he was.