Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[RonnieRaven]

Why would you offer a long-term contract to a player not best 22? He'll play every game next year at Kardinia of not at optus

Gws gave cogs 7 years and the captains hat he couldn’t make gws best 22 late in the year.
More long term contracts offered to spread the money with cap reductions.
It’s why cats give retirees 2 and 3 year contracts.

 

[FreoFan85]

The cats have drawn a line in the sand with literally one other player and given everyone else up for peanuts. Shouldn't tarnish the reputation too much

How can it not tarnish a reputation. Let's say a year down the track you say to Port Adelaide, thats fine you do the trade with St Kilda for x , y and z and once that is done we will trade you for "Whatever it is that is being chased"

If i'm Port Adelaide i'm thinking are they good with their word or not? Maybe we should use Sydney to facilitate that trade etc

It is also one thing to draw a line in the sand "We won't take pick 22." but it is another thing to say "We will take pick 22. oh wait hangon now i know you have done other trades we won't accept it."

Again, this is all speculative if this has occurred. But if it has it is a dog act and won't go unnoticed by the other trading community. So yes you might win this round, but who knows what will happen from here. The thing is we won't ever really know, it will all be behind closed doors.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

The assumption that he's somehow automatically best 22 for us is absurd to me. Injured, dropped and on the outer at Cats but somehow would automatically be in our best 22? Simply absurd. Even more absurd if we end up over-taking Cats on the ladder next year or the year after.

IMO Clark has been mismanaged by the Cats. Is clearly AFL standard as he showed as an 18 year old. He’ll slot into your best 22 and I reckon you’re getting a 10 year player.

 

[eastfreo75]

Why would you offer a long-term contract to a player not best 22? He'll play every game next year at Kardinia of not at optus

Then he will do a Luke Ball.

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

IMO Clark has been mismanaged by the Cats. Is clearly AFL standard as he showed as an 18 year old. He’ll slot into your best 22 and I reckon you’re getting a 10 year player.

My crytsal ball isn't as clear on this player. I suppose peeps are just going to insist "he's your best 22' without any evidence anyway so I guess I'll just have to waive the white flag and stop arguing the point. But, IMO, he won't be walking into anyones best 22 in round 1, unless he proves himself first, for any club.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

First thing I would say is there's more than 22 contracted players at every club, yeah? So not all of them are going to be best 22. Second thing is, fair to point out the 4-yr off as evidence to suggest there's serious and signifcant interest, but every player still has to earn his spot. They still have to impress the coaches on the track, as a general rule of thumb. Simple as that. It's massively presumptious to assume any player are 'walk ins' for best 22 (unless they're a star A-grader) just because they've been offered a contract. 'Walk ins' are reserved for high level A graders. Not unproven fringe players.

He may need time out to get his elbow right. He may need time in the twos to get his fitness up to scratch, or even just to find the ball again. Automatic best 22? No chance. Only if he earns it. But Freo obviously think he'll get there, hopefully sooner than later. I hope that too. But he won't be an 'automatic' start.

I didn't ask about offering a contract, I asked about a long term contract. His elbow is fine there's no reason to offer more than two years if he's a fringe player. You know, unless he's say, not a fringe player going forward.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Then he will do a Luke Ball.

How? He's contracted

 

[CatToTheFuture]

How can it not tarnish a reputation. Let's say a year down the track you say to Port Adelaide, thats fine you do the trade with St Kilda for x , y and z and once that is done we will trade you for "Whatever it is that is being chased"

If i'm Port Adelaide i'm thinking are they good with their word or not? Maybe we should use Sydney to facilitate that trade etc

It is also one thing to draw a line in the sand "We won't take pick 22." but it is another thing to say "We will take pick 22. oh wait hangon now i know you have done other trades we won't accept it."

Again, this is all speculative if this has occurred. But if it has it is a dog act and won't go unnoticed by the other trading community. So yes you might win this round, but who knows what will happen from here. The thing is we won't ever really know, it will all be behind closed doors.

Yeah so you agree it's speculation whether or not this has actually happened.

We have let plenty of talent go for nothing over the years. Two honest conversations asking to be fairly compensated are not going to change a reputation

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Not quite. The story was half-true. Wells did ask for pick 8, but said he understood something would have to come back with it.

As an aside, no one should be calling anyone pricks, IMO. They're all doing their best for their own clubs.

Agree on the second sentence and the first.

Like how the pick 8 wasnt completely untrue it just included picks going back it may well be geelong has said they want 19 but will give a later pick back and they would prefer not to take 22 alone (looking at our limited list spots this makes sense) so theres a middle ground where geelong in fact wont do the deal for 22 but wells is being honest. Edmund is just making stuff up and being sensationalist.

 

[Young Gun #6]

Lol at 22 not being enough for this bloke but Port are crazy wanting a late first round for a 23 year old ruck entering his prime which should have far more currency.

 

[mr.11]

imminent....

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Agree on the second sentence and the first.

Like how the pick 8 wasnt completely untrue it just included picks going back it may well be geelong has said they want 19 but will give a later pick back and they would prefer not to take 22 alone (looking at our limited list spots this makes sense) so theres a middle ground where geelong in fact wont do the deal for 22 but wells is being honest. Edmund is just making stuff up and being sensationalist.

Stop being reasonable! That's not how you get clicks!

 

[CatToTheFuture]

imminent....

F***!

 

[eastfreo75]

How? He's contracted

Next year.

 

[catman2006]

Next year.

Actually not sure Freo need him anymore and more than happy to keep Clark and put more games into him

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Former top-10 pick wants AFL lifeline, Giant bombshell

The latest trades news after day four of the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

It's poll time

FREMANTLE has told Geelong it is not prepared to trade pick No.19 for Jordan Clark after putting No.22 on the table on Thursday afternoon.

The Dockers secured pick No.19 from Gold Coast on a dramatic fourth day of trading, also bringing in midfielder Will Brodie and picks No.61 and 69, while sending future second- and fourth-round selections to the Suns.

Pick No.19 carries added value as the first selection of the second day of the NAB AFL Draft, giving the Dockers time to either negotiate a favourable trade or consider drafting a player they rate who has slid from the first round.

Given it will likely move to No.21 after father-son bids, it will also be the first 'clean' pick that can be used on a player tied to a Next Generation Academy that can't be matched by a rival.

 

[Wally Walpamur]

Actually not sure Freo need him anymore and more than happy to keep Clark and put more games into him

That's what he was told this time last year as well.

Out of curiosity, whose place in B22 does he take? I Close, Holmes and Guthrie were all played ahead of him this season, Isaac Smith will play all games he's fit. I just don't see how he gets more games next season. Geelong will think they have one more crack at it. It's 2023 when he'll get his chance but by then it could be too late.

 

[PeasFC]

If a deal has been dealt in verbal form, "yes we will do 22 etc and then they won't come to the party." and who knows if this has happened or not...

But, if that is the case they will end up losing a lot, not with this trade, but once you have a reputation for that sort of stuff other clubs take notice and the karma bus will hit them on the way back around.

that wasn’t a wells quote.
If wells said to bell, get us 22.
Then the trade would be done.
Would have been a three way deal with all parties happy.

it has been well reported that the cats believe a pick between 15 - 20 was where they valued Clark.

neither clubs have suggested that either has been hard to work with. This will get done. Commentary that says “we should walk away” or that either party are being unreasonable is quality Bigfooty chat but it is baseless.

 

[gaz love x]

Given it will likely move to No.21 after father-son bids, it will also be the first 'clean' pick that can be used on a player tied to a Next Generation Academy that can't be matched by a rival.

What does this mean?

 

[catman2006]

That's what he was told this time last year as well.

Out of curiosity, whose place in B22 does he take? I Close, Holmes and Guthrie were all played ahead of him this season, Isaac Smith will play all games he's fit. I just don't see how he gets more games next season. Geelong will think they have one more crack at it. It's 2023 when he'll get his chance but by then it could be too late.

Kolo/tuohy for his run but does need to stop with the stupid kicks that lead to turnovers and almost always a goal, if he gets that right he will be a very good player

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Former top-10 pick wants AFL lifeline, Giant bombshell

The latest trades news after day four of the Continental Tyres AFL Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

It's poll time

FREMANTLE has told Geelong it is not prepared to trade pick No.19 for Jordan Clark after putting No.22 on the table on Thursday afternoon.

The Dockers secured pick No.19 from Gold Coast on a dramatic fourth day of trading, also bringing in midfielder Will Brodie and picks No.61 and 69, while sending future second- and fourth-round selections to the Suns.

Pick No.19 carries added value as the first selection of the second day of the NAB AFL Draft, giving the Dockers time to either negotiate a favourable trade or consider drafting a player they rate who has slid from the first round.

Given it will likely move to No.21 after father-son bids, it will also be the first 'clean' pick that can be used on a player tied to a Next Generation Academy that can't be matched by a rival.

I might just get my wish yet!

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Next year.

Are you finishing below west coast?

 

[Alfonz]

What does this mean?

For starters, I don't think the sentence makes sense.

But we have Benning as a promising NGA prospect in a position of need (ruck/forward). Bid in the top 20 and we can't match. Picks 21-40 and we would need to use our next pick(s) to match. Pick 41 onwards and he is essentially free. I think that's how it works (not sure about the pick 40 changeover).

It seems extremely unlikely anyone will bid on Benning early enough to cause a problem, so it is probably a moot point. But you never know. Carlton bid on Henry out of spite and screwed us over. If we gave up 19 (which will be 21), it would be a shambles if someone bids on Benning at 21/22/23.

 

[eastfreo75]

Are you finishing below west coast?

Luke Ball.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Luke Ball.

Ok mate