Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

OK so here is how it works as far as I can work out from outside the club:

As a starting point we don't pay our AFL players as much as other clubs do - this is offset by the fact that it is cheaper to live in the area than in Melbourne.

We pay based on length of service, with some adjustments for outstanding performance at AFL level.

If a player gets a contract after the initial draftee contract (and we are ruthless in cutting them and/or often move them to the rookie list) they get paid quite well, you would be shocked how much we pay essentially VFL level players.

A player's earning potential maxes out around 28-31 and then decreases, so Guthrie for example is due for the biggest contract he will get from us.

Therefore whenever we delist, we gain significant salary cap space from cutting VFL level players. Which enables us to acquire free agents or experienced players via trade.

Because the pay structure is flat and transparent, the players buy into it. I can't remember the last player we lost for financial reasons (aside from GAJ who got an offer he couldn't refuse).

If that's the case getting players to accept that would also be predicated upon likely success. With the coming retirements and aging stars that will become harder to do.

If you are well overpaying VFL players that is moronic from the point of view of limiting acquisitions (or needing to pay draft capital to have other clubs pay part of their salary) and putting you in a poor negotiating position when talented youngsters are coming out of contract. They will say "this VFL spud is getting paid X, I'm playing AFL and should be getting double that". It's fine in a vacuum but when you consider their agents are dealing with every other club they are going to let their client know they are getting screwed. Does your head of footy ops or list manager slip benzos in the water come contract negotiation time?

 

[The 747]

If that's the case getting players to accept that would also be predicated upon likely success. With the coming retirements and aging stars that will become harder to do.

If you are well overpaying VFL players that is moronic from the point of view of limiting acquisitions (or needing to pay draft capital to have other clubs pay part of their salary) and putting you in a poor negotiating position when talented youngsters are coming out of contract. They will say "this VFL spud is getting paid X, I'm playing AFL and should be getting double that". It's fine in a vacuum but when you consider their agents are dealing with every other club they are going to let their client know they are getting screwed. Does your head of footy ops or list manager slip benzos in the water come contract negotiation time?

Well you may think it is moronic but it seems to work pretty well no?

 

[WilloTree]

I hope Freo stays away from this one.

I was semi-interested until his latest injury. A C grade, not best 22, injured outside mid just isn't a great trade.

Go to the draft and get one in the 4th/5th Round.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Well you may think it is moronic but it seems to work pretty well no?

I remember reading a while ago the crows had a similar salary philosophy. I think it works at Geelong currently because of past success and still being in the late finals conversation. Once the drop off starts I doubt players will be interested in the same sacrifice.

 

[The 747]

I remember reading a while ago the crows had a similar salary philosophy. I think it works at Geelong currently because of past success and still being in the late finals conversation. Once the drop off starts I doubt players will be interested in the same sacrifice.

Perhaps but the 'drop off' has been coming since 2011 apparently.......one year everyone may be right for once

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I remember reading a while ago the crows had a similar salary philosophy. I think it works at Geelong currently because of past success and still being in the late finals conversation. Once the drop off starts I doubt players will be interested in the same sacrifice.

Were any players pushed out at the crows for cap? Or did the drop off coincide with players seeking other opportunities anyway and the cap sorted itself out?

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Perhaps but the 'drop off' has been coming since 2011 apparently.......one year everyone may be right for once

I mean they will be but it's a matter of when. Probably sooner rather than later. Maybe.

Were any players pushed out at the crows for cap? Or did the drop off coincide with players seeking other opportunities anyway and the cap sorted itself out?

It's really hard to say considering what a shit show they have been culturally. They exceeded the salary cap to keep Tippett. Vince was told regardless of how he played he wasn't getting another contract. Jarryd Lyons left as the didn't offer him enough. Lever and McGovern were reported to have left because of big offers elsewhere that Adelaide wouldn't match but it was likely a combination of money and seeing greener pastures.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I mean they will be but it's a matter of when. Probably sooner rather than later. Maybe.


It's really hard to say considering what a sh*t show they have been culturally. They exceeded the salary cap to keep Tippett. Vince was told regardless of how he played he wasn't getting another contract. Jarryd Lyons left as the didn't offer him enough. Lever and McGovern were reported to have left because of big offers elsewhere that Adelaide wouldn't match but it was likely a combination of money and seeing greener pastures.

I think though a lot of those guys moved on while the crows were still relevant. Lyons send a bit like they actually just didn't rate him as a player and moved him on. I think you're on the money about their cultural s***show being a major factor

 

[CatToTheFuture]

That's the I think the third time close has elected not to take a shot from best pos. It's still rare enough but he does need to start taking those

 

[Turbocat]

That's the I think the third time close has elected not to take a shot from best pos. It's still rare enough but he does need to start taking those

check the thread

 

[CatToTheFuture]

check the thread

Whoopsy cheers

 

[H00t]

Exactly.

And have a look at the obvious preference for hard big bodies... perhaps Holmes as he is a light player.

Probably an ideal trade is Clark to Collingwood and Henry back. similar draft picks. They are playing kids and want to get games into them. Different window.

Would pies do that though? Feel they’d prefer Henry as a forward. Plus more potential for upside as opposed to Clark.

 

[Turbocat]

Would pies do that though? Feel they’d prefer Henry as a forward. Plus more potential for upside as opposed to Clark.

probably not now. Bth are contracted and Henry is playing AFL. Potential is a different argument.

 

[Rusty Beam]

Exactly.

And have a look at the obvious preference for hard big bodies... perhaps Holmes as he is a light player.

Probably an ideal trade is Clark to Collingwood and Henry back. similar draft picks. They are playing kids and want to get games into them. Different window.

Why on Earth would Collingwood trade Henry for Clark?

 

[perplexed]

Why on Earth would Collingwood trade Henry for Clark?

Maybe as a tribute to Ned Guy?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I've seen all I need to see, runs up and down the wing, decent pace, good enough skills and to top it off, cant kick on goal to save himself. Name your price Geelong, he'll fit in perfectly at Freo

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I've seen all I need to see, runs up and down the wing, decent pace, good enough skills and to top it off, cant kick on goal to save himself. Name your price Geelong, he'll fit in perfectly at Freo

To be fair he was in a side that kicked 8.17 might just be a Geelong thing

 

[Nunez]

Looks like a kid who hasn't been given the chance to develop at AFL level.

 

[cats_09]

I've seen all I need to see, runs up and down the wing, decent pace, good enough skills and to top it off, cant kick on goal to save himself. Name your price Geelong, he'll fit in perfectly at Freo

What's your current first round pick

If you like, we can include Narkle, but tonight showed that he doesn't run up & down the wing, he really isn't known for his pace and nor is he known for chasing & tackling

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

What's your current first round pick

If you like, we can include Narkle, but tonight showed that he doesn't run up & down the wing, he really isn't known for his pace and nor is he known for chasing & tackling

Yeah, not gonna lie, what I saw from Narkle tonight was.... not good. There were several times it was his time to go where he just stood and watched.

 

[La Dispute]

Looks like a kid who hasn't been given the chance to develop at AFL level.

I think he just isn’t very good.

All the athleticism in the world, booming kick, looks strong, but no real game sense. Lacks composure, can’t find the ball. That ridiculous snap from 15m out, 15 degree angle says a bit.

Heading into bust territory.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Honestly, before that kick I thought he was handy on the wing, far from the worst on for Geelong

 

[cats_09]

Yeah, not gonna lie, what I saw from Narkle tonight was.... not good. There were several times it was his time to go where he just stood and watched.

At the start of the season and following on from his early VFL matches I had Narkle as an easy delisting/trade option - then he had a break out game against GC, backed it up with another solid effort against Collingwood but then not really much else to hang his hat on

No doubt his effort after coming on as the sub against Richmond was really good, then it comes to last week where he was poor and deserving of being omitted even if some don't want to admit. Tonight I actually forgot he was playing

He's last 2 weeks he looks like a guy who's checked out - guess now we wait to see where he ends up next year. Think you guys were mentioned at one stage, but I'm leaning towards Richmond to play alongside his mate, Bolton

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

I think he just isn’t very good.

All the athleticism in the world, booming kick, looks strong, but no real game sense. Lacks composure, can’t find the ball. That ridiculous snap from 15m out, 15 degree angle says a bit.

Heading into bust territory.

Go back a few pages, several Geelong fans were adamant Clark was worth a first round pick in a trade

Look at the end of the day, since the 2011 flag, Stephen Wells and Geelong's drafting has been patchy at best (its their constant topping up that has kept them mostly contenders, but their type of money-ball recruiting is not sustainable long term)

 

[perplexed]

His value seems to go down when he plays and up when he doesn't. Coz non Geelong supporters need to understand how hard it is to break into the Geelong team.

He always looks confused on the field and should try a different sport. Bust.