Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)

[CatToTheFuture]

Will either turn out to be better than Cerra or a total bust.

What if Cerra turns into a bust?

 

[Taylor]

No we didn't.

Drafted in 2018 as defender. Since then not 1 defender has lobbed on the list from another club, the players keeping him out were the same group that were here we he joined.

Fair enough.

He isn't good enough to get a spot ahead of other draftees from the same year. Isn't good enough for another spot on the ground later after other talent joins the squad.

Worth a second round pick? Nah. That contract is worth a fortune to Geelong because a continuation of form next year means he is delist material.

Huge risk to offer him four years from Freo.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Why is every remark from you short of understanding of the topic? Quoting Atkins disposals thinking that's somehow relevant. Maybe if you valued defensive capability over touches your defence might be better than 12th for conceding scores. As for Smith, had a better year than most on your list.

Don't attempt to patronise me. Luke Ryan averaged over 18 disposals in his Doig Medal winning year, so sometimes disposal quantities can have a relationship to ability and defensive effectiveness. You need to get over yourself, it's kind of sad.

 

[big freo]

I would say probablility is like more 70 %no trade and your last sentence comes into play 29 % freo come up with a teens pick and trade is done 1 % geelong trade clark for 27 alone.

But broadly i agree with you no trade is good odds at this point.

I reckon 75% chance he goes to freo for 25 and a future 3rd simple as that

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

If Freo decide he’s ‘exactly’ what they need, then we’ll likely pay the overs.

If they just deem him ‘handy to have’, they’ll stick with their offer or walk away.

How ‘needed’ do we deem him? Is the real question (for us) IMO. Is he ‘exactly’ the type of player we need?

 

[The 747]

Fair enough.

He isn't good enough to get a spot ahead of other draftees from the same year. Isn't good enough for another spot on the ground later after other talent joins the squad.

Worth a second round pick? Nah. That contract is worth a fortune to Geelong because a continuation of form next year means he is delist material.

Huge risk to offer him four years from Freo.

No chance he would be delisted next year.

 

[The 747]

I reckon 75% chance he goes to freo for 25 and a future 3rd simple as that

If he goes it will be for 27 and change IMO. Something for us to save face added in, probably something Freo don't really need.

 

[DragoDelph]

If he goes it will be for 27 and change IMO. Something for us to save face added in, probably something Freo don't really need.

So acres?

 

[MisterMarcus]

Freo supporters can't have it both ways.

You can't go actively chasing him with (allegedly) a significant deal....and in the same breath, brand him a useless fringe nobody that's only worth a token pick.

 

[The 747]

So acres?

Well I would say no, but who knows with our list management.

 

[Taylor]

Freo supporters can't have it both ways.

You can't go actively chasing him with (allegedly) a significant deal....and in the same breath, brand him a useless fringe nobody that's only worth a token pick.

If we take the rumour of him requesting a trade last season being held off because Geelong said he would get more game time, then it goes both ways both ways - because he can't be worth that much if he isn't able to get a game after three years on a list. 29 games in three seasons isn't so bad but over 60% were in season #1.

The issue seems to be that other rumour where he came back to the club after the covid delay/break in poor shape and has only featured in 17% of games since.

I don't want to be confused with someone who is super keen to get him either.

 

[Glek]

Freo supporters can't have it both ways.

You can't go actively chasing him with (allegedly) a significant deal....and in the same breath, brand him a useless fringe nobody that's only worth a token pick.

Freo need to land him, losing Cerra they cant afford to go backwards. Clark is the best obvious replacement. Freo need him more than Cats do.

Think Freo will get overs for Cerra & pay overs for Clark - its just what you have to do to get players when you are around middle of the league.

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

Freo need to land him, losing Cerra they cant afford to go backwards. Clark is the best obvious replacement. Freo need him more than Cats do.

Think Freo will get overs for Cerra & pay overs for Clark - its just what you have to do to get players when you are around middle of the league.

Inclined to agree here. If he can provide outside run, we'll pay the overs for a very inconsistent player.

However as someone who watches Cerra every week, Carlton are getting a consistently good player and an absolute bargain who's about to come into his best career period. Will be significantly missed at Freo and will likely finish top 4 in our club champ awards this year. IMO, even if Carlton paid a high 1st and an early 2nd (which I don't think will happen), he'd still be a bargain for them.

 

[Tristan34]

If we take the rumour of him requesting a trade last season being held off because Geelong said he would get more game time, then it goes both ways both ways - because he can't be worth that much if he isn't able to get a game after three years on a list. 29 games in three seasons isn't so bad but over 60% were in season #1.

The issue seems to be that other rumour where he came back to the club after the covid delay/break in poor shape and has only featured in 17% of games since.

I don't want to be confused with someone who is super keen to get him either.

He had a shoulder injury which put him on the shelf for a while, so it kinda skews the numbers a bit..

 

[raffrox]

Freo supporters can't have it both ways.

You can't go actively chasing him with (allegedly) a significant deal....and in the same breath, brand him a useless fringe nobody that's only worth a token pick.

Haven't most Freo people said that they'd be happy to trade pick 27?

Is that a token pick?

This thread is now about a 4-5 pick upgrade or not.

 

[Glek]

Inclined to agree here. If he can provide outside run, we'll pay the overs for a very inconsistent player.

However as someone who watches Cerra every week, Carlton are getting a consistently good player and an absolute bargain who's about to come into his best career period. Will be significantly missed at Freo and will likely finish top 4 in our club champ awards this year. IMO, even if Carlton paid a high 1st and an early 2nd (which I don't think will happen), he'd still be a bargain for them.

You could get a suede 3 way deal -

Carlton get Cerra & 34
Geelong Get 25 & 27
Freo get Clark & 6

 

[s_wd6]

You could get a suede 3 way deal -

Carlton get Cerra & 34
Geelong Get 25 & 27
Freo get Clark & 6

And you could gagf

 

[Freoboy in Melbs]

You could get a suede 3 way deal -

Carlton get Cerra & 34
Geelong Get 25 & 27
Freo get Clark & 6

Yeah, regardess of my opinion about the deal, I'm inclined ot think it will be something like that also.

 

[Taylor]

He had a shoulder injury which put him on the shelf for a while, so it kinda skews the numbers a bit..

And his elbow too.

 

[Glek]

Yeah, regardess of my opinion about the deal, I'm inclined ot think it will be something like that also.

Now Cerra has nominated Carlton see how their supporters have changed? ( as predicted)

Carlton are going to be tough to get more than 6 out of them .... Clark fits Freo's needs. At least Blues retain a slightly down graded 2nd rounder.

 

[BigCat1]

Again this ridiculous and bizzare narrative that “value” is attributed to games played is mind numbing.

Maybe we should put Selwood up for trade and ask for 3 1st rounders. It’s the very same logic.

We are taliking about a kid whose still 20 years old! Apart from the obviously flawed logic on “value” that somebody with an IQ for 80 should be able to grasp there are a myriad of other factors that can see a 20 year old still developing which have already been discussed. Bottom line is Geel want to keep him (and can) and Freo would love to sign him up for 4 years. Pick 30 within a 55 pick draft ain’t going to cut it.

 

[BigCat1]

If we take the rumour of him requesting a trade last season being held off because Geelong said he would get more game time, then it goes both ways both ways - because he can't be worth that much if he isn't able to get a game after three years on a list. 29 games in three seasons isn't so bad but over 60% were in season #1.

The issue seems to be that other rumour where he came back to the club after the covid delay/break in poor shape and has only featured in 17% of games since.

I don't want to be confused with someone who is super keen to get him either.

I’m sure you realise that’s he’s had 3 big injuries. Elbow surgery as well as dislocating his shoulder/ AC joint twice missing huge slabs of time. That puts you out of a team and with no VFL it’s kinda hard to push your case when a team wins pretty much every week.

undoubtedly and well documented there was an issue with his conditioning when we went home to WA during that first Covid break and was dropped on the restart. A rookie 19 year old mistake some might say. At the back end of this year after playing as a wingman and overcoming his latest shoulder dislocation he was behind Menegola, Issac Smith and Mitch Duncan. Geez must mean a 20 year old is not going to cut it for the next 10 years.

 

[WaywardSonSon]

Again this ridiculous and bizzare narrative that “value” is attributed to games played is mind numbing.

Maybe we should put Selwood up for trade and ask for 3 1st rounders. It’s the very same logic.

We are taliking about a kid whose still 20 years old! Apart from the obviously flawed logic on “value” that somebody with an IQ for 80 should be able to grasp there are a myriad of other factors that can see a 20 year old still developing which have already been discussed. Bottom line is Geel want to keep him (and can) and Freo would love to sign him up for 4 years. Pick 30 within a 55 pick draft ain’t going to cut it.

Have you ever met anyone possessing an Intelligence quotient of 80? I'd wager that they would not be able to comprehend such a concept.

 

[Cobbler]

So much yelling! Hilarious.

Cats supporters - wah wah, we’ll just hold him. Wah.

Freo supporters - pick 27… or you can just keep him.

What’s the issue? Everyone seems to agree.

Plus I’d be staggered if 4 years is on offer. They always exaggerate. It will be 3 year deal. Take that part to the bank.

Pick 27 and some future meaningless swap like a 3rd for a 4th in Geelong’s favour.

Or package up with Cerra and Carlton deal.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I’m sure you realise that’s he’s had 3 big injuries. Elbow surgery as well as dislocating his shoulder/ AC joint twice missing huge slabs of time. That puts you out of a team and with no VFL it’s kinda hard to push your case when a team wins pretty much every week.

undoubtedly and well documented there was an issue with his conditioning when we went home to WA during that first Covid break and was dropped on the restart. A rookie 19 year old mistake some might say. At the back end of this year after playing as a wingman and overcoming his latest shoulder dislocation he was behind Menegola, Issac Smith and Mitch Duncan. Geez must mean a 20 year old is not going to cut it for the next 10 years.

Value is 100% affected by games played, you dont think he'd be worth more if he'd played every game this year? Regardless of who he's behind, most good footballers are getting consistent games at his age, the fact he's not definitely adds weight to the risk of him not making it AFL (though it's obviously not definitive).

No Freo supporter in this thread is saying he's worth nothing or a 3rd. Most think 27 is pretty fair, that's not a nothing pick.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Yeah, regardess of my opinion about the deal, I'm inclined ot think it will be something like that also.

I dont like the idea of walking away without another pick in the top 30 and I reckon Bell will be on the same page.

Freo will want to come away with Clark, two top 10 picks and a pick inside 30 once Cerra is traded and I think that's reasonable. If that costs a future 2nd to make it happen then that's fine