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What if Cerra turns into a bust?
Traded Jordan Clark and F4 traded to Fremantle for #22 and F3 (Carl)
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I think they would push for 25/27 and the FR2 for clark and 41 as it values him at about 17 on points (the R1 geelong wanted) but i think we would rather upgrade picks (ie send clark and one of our R2s) and get a R1 but that would need a third club to take 2 R2s (from geelong and freo) in exchange for a late R1 going to geelong.
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Dogs could certainly be the club that could do it..geelong would be happy to give up clark and some pick downgrades for 17 and freo and geelong could give the dogs enough points to get them..the issue is if the dogs trade that pick with richmond im not sure any other club in the R1 range would do a similar deal and i reckon thats what geelong want.
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Yes, it might go to the wire - with at least two teams chasing Pick 17 there's a sellers market and the Doggies can hold out to get the best deal - they might need to turn Pick 17 into 2000 points to avoid a 2022 Round 1 deficit
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I would assume Joel would drop a fork, hit his head on the table and spend the rest of the meal with a bandage wrapped around his head... Every. Single. Dinner.
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I agree i think the dogs will have offers for 17 and while they wont get 2000 pts..more like say 15-1600 i doubt we get it. Gc at 19 might be another option if the NM deal doesnt go through. I think regardless geelong want to upgrade (even if we have to send a later pick with clark) and get something in the late R1 range and thats what will make the deal tricky as freo doesnt have a pick in that range.
Getting more and more likely that this deal doesn't go through, and we revisit this next year IMO. Best for all parties.
If he has a strong pre-season, plays 15-20 games and gets back to his debut year form, then we'll end up with a similar pick to where we drafted him, or even better.
If he has a so-so season and we don't play him, then we run the risk of ending up with a third rounder or worse. Also run the risk that it all goes to sh*t, and Freo doesn't want him anymore, due to their own internal growth.
I think it's worth the risk to retain him, as he's got some serious natural talent and just needs a good run. Doesn't make sense for either party to overpay/accept unders, if both parties are too far apart.
I suspect now that that's why we asked for a ludicrous pick like Pick 8, as we actually want to keep him. If we asked for Pick 15-20 straight up, or even 20-27, the Dockers might have agreed to that and we would lose him - similar to setting your price at 9999 on ebay, so that someone doesn't 'buy it now' when you're really just seeing what the market values your commodity at (and don't want to lose said item unless the offer is too good to refuse).
Expect we've shown our hand and our position on this, and now Wells has basically stated the same as well. Not to mention the fact that Clark hasn't even requested an official trade, and there's no movement from any party that has me thinking that it's a live possibility at the moment.
We'll see how it all pans out, but all the posturing and lack of noise - similar to the Kelly trade - says to me that this one is 20% likely and 80% unlikely as it stands. Would have said the reverse a week ago, but the Pick 8 request and Wells' latest commentary really has me doing a backflip on that now.
Fun times!
If he has a strong pre-season, plays 15-20 games and gets back to his debut year form, then we'll end up with a similar pick to where we drafted him, or even better.
If he has a so-so season and we don't play him, then we run the risk of ending up with a third rounder or worse. Also run the risk that it all goes to sh*t, and Freo doesn't want him anymore, due to their own internal growth.
I think it's worth the risk to retain him, as he's got some serious natural talent and just needs a good run. Doesn't make sense for either party to overpay/accept unders, if both parties are too far apart.
I suspect now that that's why we asked for a ludicrous pick like Pick 8, as we actually want to keep him. If we asked for Pick 15-20 straight up, or even 20-27, the Dockers might have agreed to that and we would lose him - similar to setting your price at 9999 on ebay, so that someone doesn't 'buy it now' when you're really just seeing what the market values your commodity at (and don't want to lose said item unless the offer is too good to refuse).
Expect we've shown our hand and our position on this, and now Wells has basically stated the same as well. Not to mention the fact that Clark hasn't even requested an official trade, and there's no movement from any party that has me thinking that it's a live possibility at the moment.
We'll see how it all pans out, but all the posturing and lack of noise - similar to the Kelly trade - says to me that this one is 20% likely and 80% unlikely as it stands. Would have said the reverse a week ago, but the Pick 8 request and Wells' latest commentary really has me doing a backflip on that now.
Fun times!
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Here’s a question.
hypothetically if Clark doesn’t leave this year and cements his spot in our best 22 next year and plays every game.
What would his worth be if he asked for a trade?
night question, has Mr Clark requested a trade yet?
hypothetically if Clark doesn’t leave this year and cements his spot in our best 22 next year and plays every game.
What would his worth be if he asked for a trade?
night question, has Mr Clark requested a trade yet?
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15-20?
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It's not designed to be a reasonable ask, it's designed to push negotiations into next year
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If that's the only reason then sit back and enjoy him playing 22 games next year under a new line coach at the cats.
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Checks notes.... no he has not
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Jordy walks in late - "sorry i see you guys already started. Bolognese?"
Joel "carbonara it just looks a bit red"
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I think that's the objective. Pick 27 or 25 is a compete stab in the dark in this draft. A 3rd next year might even be a better pick.
The odds of him cementing that best 22 spot and choosing to stay are slim but also much much higher than us getting anything out of whatever we get from Freo.
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Put this in the too hard basket and revisit in 12 months. Not a big need for us and Geelong want to keep him.
Duck for mains, flop*cough*flapjacks for desert.
Depends, if he is uncontracted and demands a trade to Freo/WA while Freo hold a lower pick in the PSD than WC then he’s a future 2nd at best.
If WC show interest/has a lower psd pick then it changes.
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and yet 17 clubs had their chance to get him off us last off-season. No takers.
Again he is up for grabs and as has been reported, he is barely getting any interest.
Seems to suggest that other clubs concur with Constable's treatment by Geelong.
The guy just cannot run, and will be lucky to still be in the system in 2 years.
