Traded Jordan Dawson traded to Adelaide for F1 (Melb)

[Joey JoJo Jr Shabadoo]

Only bright side out of this deal for the Swans is just further re-enforcing the need for academies in non-traditional states.

Finlayson, M.Kennedy, Setterfield and Zac Williams were all GWS academy players who requested trades interstate. The academy system isn’t a solution to player retention issues.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

If there is half an hour to go in the trade deadline, and the offer is 23 or PSD (and North don't look like they'll be in a position to snipe Dawson), you can bet your bottom dollar Sydney are taking pick 23. At that point, pragmatism kicks in over fairness.

All good, I disagree and think that's a simplistic take on the situation. If you guys get him for 23 all the power to you

 

[Dangerousfield]

You don't run the risk of stuffing up trades for elite players and Dawson is elite. We want to be seen as a professional club after a few years of being laughing stock crap.

We either split pick 4 to give Swans a mid teens pick and use the other pick on Roberts/Draper, or hope Swans find pick 23 and next years second an attractive enough package.

We are not running the gauntlet of PSD, Robe is only 5 hours drive from Melbourne or a 90 minute Rex flight to Mt.Gambier, North or Pies could pounce and we'd be laughing stock again as well as losing the most valuable player to come onto our radar in years.

PSD is heavily threatened by fantasy BF posters as they play with themselves whilst typing one handed, in the real world of AFL trading, clubs don't threaten other clubs

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

You don't run the risk of stuffing up trades for elite players and Dawson is elite. We want to be seen as a professional club after a few years of being laughing stock crap.

We are not running the gauntlet of PSD, Robe is only 5 hours drive from Melbourne or a 90 minute Rex flight to Mt.Gambier, North or Pies could pounce and we'd be laughing stock again as well as losing the most valuable player to come onto our radar in years.

PSD is heavily threatened by fantasy BF posters as they play with themselves whilst typing one handed, in the real world of AFL trading, clubs don't threaten other clubs

It seems that it's also heavily threatened by Adelaide directors (who probably type one handed):

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[FreeAgent1]

If there is half an hour to go in the trade deadline, and the offer is 23 or PSD (and North don't look like they'll be in a position to snipe Dawson), you can bet your bottom dollar Sydney are taking pick 23. At that point, pragmatism kicks in over fairness.

I don't think we get to that point. I half reckon Adelaide will be overexcited to land someone major and overpay.

Not going to speak for all Swans supporters, but I actually think the chances are higher he resigns at that point for 2 years until free agency.

Its not a money decision, he isnt being pushed out, has a really positive relationship with the club. Papley showed its sometimes happens.

 

[Schulzenfest]

If the Swans have any balls they'd send him to the PSD rather than accept pick 23. That would be an insulting offer.

The major difference between last year with Hately and this year is that the Crows don't have #1 in the PSD anymore. There's zero chance North Melbourne give up a chance to get a player of Dawson's quality for free in the event that he nominates Adelaide but they **** up the trade.

 

[RUNVS]

If the Swans have any balls they'd send him to the PSD rather than accept pick 23. That would be an insulting offer.

The major difference between last year with Hately and this year is that the Crows don't have #1 in the PSD anymore. There's zero chance North give up a chance to get a player of Dawson's quality for free in the event that he nominates Adelaide but they fu** up the trade.

Yep. Call up North and ask them to make a statement stating they intend to take Dawson in the PSD. They may actually intend to take him, but the threat of it would make Adelaide play ball.

Also North would probably do it as North like being disruptive.

 

[philthy05]

If he nominates crows I would love for port to get involved.

would be keen to swap 16 for 23 and crows future second. Gives crows 16 to send to Sydney. Would throw in our future 4th or 3rd too maybe.

 

[Crow till I die]

Yep. Call up North and ask them to make a statement stating they intend to take Dawson in the PSD. They may actually intend to take him, but the threat of it would make Adelaide play ball.

Also North would probably do it as North like being disruptive.

well it would be making history as I can only think of Port's nick Stevens that didn't get to the club of his choice via a draft when leaving his old club...especially if in this case Dawson says e is moving back to SA for family reasons and the crows front loaded the crap out of his contract if they were going to use the PSD as a threat..but carry on

 

[ABAB]

Weren’t there Crows fans keen on breaking up 4 to try to get Draper AND Robert’s. Instead of that you can get Dawson and one of those two. If either turned out as good as Dawson you’d be ecstatic.

Think Dawson is worth about pick 10. 4 (6) and a 3rd for Dawson and 12 (14) is pretty reasonable.

Dawson is proven young talent, pick 23 as the main part of the deal is grossly insufficient

24 isn't really that young.

 

[FreeAgent1]

Hahahaha love the PSD chat - please dont change Bigfooty!

 

[Dangerousfield]

well it would be making history as I can only think of Port's nick Stevens that didn't get to the club of his choice via a draft when leaving his old club...especially if in this case Dawson says e is moving back to SA for family reasons and the crows front loaded the crap out of his contract if they were going to use the PSD as a threat..but carry on

Keep on with your one handed typing, North can match the front loaded the crap out of his contract, if they chose to do so and a player of Dawson's calibre doesn't get gifted to you very often - if ever.

Doubt the club will stuff around with the trade if Dawson chooses us, won't suit your narrative but they'll want to get it done quickly, cleanly and professionally.

 

[ABAB]

THIS.

Look at Tim Kelly or Saad. PSD is a legit threat for a Lipinski. Not a threat for Dawson.

Also that is mutually assured destruction, if after 4 players in a row choose port one finally chooses Crows and you lose him to north you will be a laughing stock.

2 did, Polec and Motlop (both we luckily dodged), we didn't chase the others.

 

[Hodgy]

If the Swans have any balls they'd send him to the PSD rather than accept pick 23. That would be an insulting offer.

The major difference between last year with Hately and this year is that the Crows don't have #1 in the PSD anymore. There's zero chance North Melbourne give up a chance to get a player of Dawson's quality for free in the event that he nominates Adelaide but they fu** up the trade.

totally depends on the terms he puts on himself. I believe Jack Martin made it to pick 3 in the PSD a couple of years back because of the contract length and size he nominated.
I don’t think there is any chance it gets to that, but the system does allow for pretty aggressive postering.

 

[Hodgy]

BTW it’s ridiculous for everyone debating pick 16 or 23 As compo for Dawson. A week into trade period everyone will have different assets.
for example Adelaide could send 23 and 37 or Kelly compo to the Bulldogs for 17 or 18 and then the assets are virtually identical. A lot can happen between now and the end of trade week.

 

[ABAB]

THIS.

Look at Tim Kelly or Saad. PSD is a legit threat for a Lipinski. Not a threat for Dawson.

Also that is mutually assured destruction, if after 4 players in a row choose port one finally chooses Crows and you lose him to north you will be a laughing stock.

Don't take how much money and trade value Carlton did as a "norm", look what they gave in terms of contract for McGovern and Williams and now Cerra. They offer them elite player contract so they offer way over trade value. Fremantle had pick before West Coast in the PSD.

 

[Crow till I die]

Keep on with your one handed typing, North can match the front loaded the crap out of his contract, if they chose to do so and a player of Dawson's calibre doesn't get gifted to you very often - if ever.

Doubt the club will stuff around with the trade if Dawson chooses us, won't suit your narrative but they'll want to get it done quickly, cleanly and professionally.

you are living in fantasy land if you really believe North, Collingwood or GC would come for him..Dawson has been clear the reason he is leaving Sydney is to return to SA for Family reasons..what chance an interstate club sneaks in in the PSD and pays a big fat contract on a guy that we can only assume would tell them a polite I am not interested in moving to Melbourne? I mean it 'might' happen..but so could time travel

 

[Giant Strides]

From my perspective, I don't think anyone should pooh-pooh the PSD threat. I know it's often brought up on BF by posters, but in reality is played out much less often. However, in this case, Adelaide has form, and shown they're quite willing to take advantage of their lowly ladder position when they don't want to give up draft assets. I won't say that PSD will definitely be used - there's too much water yet to go under the bridge, and he's not even nominated Crows - just I don't think anyone can declare it definitely won't be a threat used. There's not that much difference between the Jackson Hately

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situation of last year and this case - the main one that might reduce the PSD threat being that Adelaide has the #4 pick, not #1. But given Dawson's stated desire to go home to SA, I think it heavily reduces the likelihood of Norths, Pies or Suns selecting him before Crows.

 

[Tedeski]

No announcement from Dawson yet?

He may have watched the Port final & got spooked by the lack of heart.

Then he's looked at basket case Crows.

 

[The Tilt]

you are living in fantasy land if you really believe North, Collingwood or GC would come for him..Dawson has been clear the reason he is leaving Sydney is to return to SA for Family reasons..what chance an interstate club sneaks in in the PSD and pays a big fat contract on a guy that we can only assume would tell them a polite I am not interested in moving to Melbourne? I mean it 'might' happen..but so could time travel

Maybe. You happy to take that risk, though?

The issue is not that he's likely to end up going through the PSD, but that it's an outcome both clubs (and Dawson) want to avoid. Since he's no certainty to get to Adelaide via that pathway, they'll want to make sure they secure the deal at the trade table.

Keep in mind, if he nominates for the PSD, he has to go to whoever picks him. Telling a club politely that he doesn't want to move to Melbourne won't do any good. I gotta say, if I was the Gold Coast, I'd definitely take him if he was available. Get him for free and then agree to on-trade him to an SA club in a year's time. What's not to like?

 

[WeedsMullet84]

No announcement from Dawson yet?

He may have watched the Port final & got spooked by the lack of heart.

Then he's looked at basket case Crows.

Oooohhhh big scary words man

 

[Thetrader15]

Maybe. You happy to take that risk, though?

The issue is not that he's likely to end up going through the PSD, but that it's an outcome both clubs (and Dawson) want to avoid. Since he's no certainty to get to Adelaide via that pathway, they'll want to make sure they secure the deal at the trade table.

Keep in mind, if he nominates for the PSD, he has to go to whoever picks him. Telling a club politely that he doesn't want to move to Melbourne won't do any good. I gotta say, if I was the Gold Coast, I'd definitely take him if he was available. Get him for free and then agree to on-trade him to an SA club in a year's time. What's not to like?

I agree, but if GC were going to do this, they'd have done it with Martin last year.

Once a club actually does do this, the whole PSD threat will disappear - which will be a good thing.

 

[Crow till I die]

Maybe. You happy to take that risk, though?

The issue is not that he's likely to end up going through the PSD, but that it's an outcome both clubs (and Dawson) want to avoid. Since he's no certainty to get to Adelaide via that pathway, they'll want to make sure they secure the deal at the trade table.

Keep in mind, if he nominates for the PSD, he has to go to whoever picks him. Telling a club politely that he doesn't want to move to Melbourne won't do any good. I gotta say, if I was the Gold Coast, I'd definitely take him if he was available. Get him for free and then agree to on-trade him to an SA club in a year's time. What's not to like?

the whole scenario is a negotiation and it will come down to how strong a PSD threat if used, is and who blinks first. I do disagree with the threat of North, Collingwood or GC as a threat IF it ended up that pathway as a heavily front loaded contract and the player himself stating he won't go to Victoria - it would be a brave club that takes that on if a player does not want to be there which you would think be the case if Dawson is coming to SA for family reasons. But time will tell and he has not yet picked a club AND like a poster in this thread rightly says, we don't even know what picks will be there once pick swapping etc starts. So the crows might for example look to trade out 23 and the Melbourne 2nd (and maybe a later pick) for the dogs 1st for points and then that might be the currency for Dawson? who knows

 

[Concussion test]

So he's been spotted running for a getaway car leaving lunch at Alberton, with a huge press gang (for Adelaide) following him.

Classy place, so more than likely some king prawns with that orange seafood cocktail sauce stuff. Details at 6.

Sounds like Port are going all in. I think Roo only had some party pies and tomato sauce.

 

[TryAnHit]

He will not go PSD so let's stop talking about PSD route

 

[RUNVS]

He will not go PSD so let's stop talking about PSD route

Really players should not be allowed to go into the PSD. They should be forced into the main draft as that would be fairer.