Recommitted Josh Dunkley [OOC 2022, requested a trade to Essendon, didn't get there]

[JayJ20]

There is some criticism of Dodoro, but the defence of his trading this year and last is strident, and it's not one or two isolated examples.


Again, refer previous comments about Dodoro not valuing his own deal as enough.

There is pleeenty of criticism for Dodoro regarding Daniher. Many believed we should have traded Daniher last year instead of holding onto him. Plenty of criticism for the Shiel trade. Most Essendon fans also believed he unnecessarily made the Fantasia trade complicated.

I don’t have any problems with his conduct regarding the Dunkley trade though except for the length it took to come up with his offer. The final offer of pick 8 and a future second is more than enough. The 3-way trade for Treloar and Dunkley was also enough. Bulldogs just weren’t interested which is fair enough.

You’re misinterpreting Dodoro’s statement. Saying he wouldn’t do the deal if he was Bulldogs doesn’t mean he believes that’s what Dunkley is worth. It means he understands why Bulldogs didn’t trade Dunkley and would do the same for a player like him. A classic case of a player being worth more to a club than the open market considering Dunkley only has 3 quarters of one season last year to even justify a first rounder. There’s a reason why we targeted Dunkley over an Oliver type because he should realistically be cheaper than Oliver. Someone that’s pushed out of the midfield loses value.

Don’t think Dodoro or anyone expected the price to be 2 top 10 picks, which is what a contracted Oliver costs. We offered as high as we could and moved on from it. No issues there. All of Essendon, Bulldogs and Dunkley parted in an amicable way.

 

[Wild Bill]

He had such a bad year I forgot he existed.

Besides Cripps, Dunkley is at least twice as good as any Carlton midfielder. Two way running tall mids like him are not easy to find.

Dunkley also dropped away in 2020.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Where's he holiday ing and til when?

He is in Noosa Qld

 

[cAsEy_18]

Can confirm he is on holiday, therefore his only way to confirm his commitment to the Dogs is via snail mail.
Which he has done.
Delays at Australia Post unfortunately.

 

[Regista]

Dunkley also dropped away in 2020.

Sure, but he's still far better than every Carlton mid not called Cripps.

Also wasn't helped by the muppet coach playing him in the ruck.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Where's he holiday ing and til when?

Queensland (stayed behind with family). Not sure when he's back honestly

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I knew I remembered his name

“St Kilda’s Ameet Bains said his club would reject those demands, declaring the club's pick No.5 would not be put on the trade table in exchange for Carlisle.”

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

No, not much. haha

Not one of those posts was a comparison between the two players though...

 

[longdonkey]

yeah and with a second going back their way makes it roughly a first rounder and some pocket change. I don't think that's a good deal unless we're expecting Essendon to contend for the spoon which might be wishful thinking

But consider this. For a start lets say that you need 2234 so gets a bid at Pick 3. minus 20% = 1788

Lets say you get Essendon 2021 first round & Essendon Pick 41, 61, 67 with 2021 2nd Round going back to Essendon.

That is 412 + 135 + 69 = 616

Add in your Pick 36 & 48 = 502 + 302 =804

Total 1420

So then what you do is trade Pick 12 with Hawthorn for 2020 Pick 40 and 2021 Second Round Pick

You lose Dunkley, 2020 First Round 2021 Second Round
You Get 2021 Essendon 1st Round Hawthorn Second Round and all the points you need for Ugle-Hagen

You end up solving all your problems this year re points without taking a hit next year with point reductions. You end up with 2 First Round picks next year and one second Round both with teams more likely to finish in the bottom half.

The downside is you will have no picks this year but that's the position you're in anyway.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Of course you have drafted the majority of your players. Every club has. I’m not forgetting them, but other than Merrett, Ridley and McGrath, that list is made up of players who are either nearing retirement or players who are nothing to write home about. Ie. it is not a list to top up around. Usually teams who are not in the flag race go to the draft, which allows access to higher talent and allows time to develop and build a culture together. But I also understand that doing it that way may not be as exciting to your fans reading some tweets from old mate Tommy Browne.

I actually think 2 firsts for Dunkley is overs. The fact that a lot of Essendon fans are willing to do that, just to land another trade, sort of goes to my point.

Not exactly topping up when you are trading in 23-25 year olds though are you?

I wonder what you were saying about Richmond's list prior to 2017 when they were perennial cellar dwellers.

I still don't quite get where you are coming from though. We barely have any players on our list that we have traded in and again, if you are not looking to improve your list through quality young talent (eg Dunkley) then you are being negligent as a football club.

You should know from your 2016 season that things can change very quickly. You don't have to cut right down to the bone and do a complete rebuild from the draft every time you have a bad season. Our core group is very young and some experience (whilst still young) talent is exactly what we need.

 

[BombersDave]

Can anyone answer this question about bidding etc. Let's say the doggies have a bid placed on JUH at 3 and they use their points to match, can they then trade picks to secure Essendons pick 6 as a "live" trade?

 

[Virgin Dog]

Can anyone answer this question about bidding etc. Let's say the doggies have a bid placed on JUH at 3 and they use their points to match, can they then trade picks to secure Essendons pick 6 as a "live" trade?

We can AFTER matching JUH, so basically when pick 4 is being made, otherwise pick 6 would have to be used

 

[boncer34]

Not exactly topping up when you are trading in 23-25 year olds though are you?

I wonder what you were saying about Richmond's list prior to 2017 when they were perennial cellar dwellers.

I still don't quite get where you are coming from though. We barely have any players on our list that we have traded in and again, if you are not looking to improve your list through quality young talent (eg Dunkley) then you are being negligent as a football club.

You should know from your 2016 season that things can change very quickly. You don't have to cut right down to the bone and do a complete rebuild from the draft every time you have a bad season. Our core group is very young and some experience (whilst still young) talent is exactly what we need.

From our best 22 this year.

Smith, Stewart, Stringer, Saad, Shiel.

That's a decent chunk.

 

[longdonkey]

Can anyone answer this question about bidding etc. Let's say the doggies have a bid placed on JUH at 3 and they use their points to match, can they then trade picks to secure Essendons pick 6 as a "live" trade?

I believe you would need to use your pick 12 but not the pick 6 that would come in. The issue is though I think if you use all your picks there would be a point deficit and then you'd need to use your Pick 6 for the balance of the points. Not a 100% sure - this is the AFL the rules change depending on the club.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Sure, but he's still far better than every Carlton mid not called Cripps.

Also wasn't helped by the muppet coach playing him in the ruck.

Walsh is better.

 

[PrinceCharles]

I knew I remembered his name

Saints owned your club in that trade, wouldn't be raising it if I was you.

 

[boncer34]

Saints owned your club in that trade, wouldn't be raising it if I was you.

Oh really?

 

[longdonkey]

Can anyone answer this question about bidding etc. Let's say the doggies have a bid placed on JUH at 3 and they use their points to match, can they then trade picks to secure Essendons pick 6 as a "live" trade?

The issue with live trading is you can only trade picks not players and if you match points for Ugle-Hagen you only have picks in 2021 to swap. I think I know what you're saying is can you swap Dunkley for pick low pick and then swap that low pick for Essendon's Pick 6 in live trading after Ugle-Hagen's points are matched. Rules wise I guess but this is Essendon and Dodoro you'd have to trust to get it done.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Oh really?

Yep, they obviously knew Dodo would blow the picks, so downgrading didn't matter.

 

[parlot]

I believe you would need to use your pick 12 but not the pick 6 that would come in. The issue is though I think if you use all your picks there would be a point deficit and then you'd need to use your Pick 6 for the balance of the points. Not a 100% sure - this is the AFL the rules change depending on the club.

If we hold pick 6 at the time of the bid it comes off pick 6, then the remainder from pick 12 or whatever our next is. It doesn't differentiate on how you acquired the picks. The only way we could use a high pick is to park the currency in 2021 picks then live trade them back into 2020 after the bid.

 

[Regista]

Walsh is better.

LOL

 

[boncer34]

Yep, they obviously knew Dodo would blow the picks, so downgrading didn't matter.

Someone just googled the trade.

 

[PrinceCharles]

LOL

And all three a much better than any player you have on your list.

 

[Regista]

And all three a much better than any player you have on your list.

Maybe. Dunkley is still very clearly a better footballer than Walsh though.

 

[longdonkey]

If we hold pick 6 at the time of the bid it comes off pick 6, then the remainder from pick 12 or whatever our next is. It doesn't differentiate on how you acquired the picks. The only way we could use a high pick is to park the currency in 2021 picks then live trade them back into 2020 after the bid.

Yeah you're right you could do it that way. Not much point though because lack of exposed form this year and possibly better draft next year says if you get 2021 picks then its better to hold them.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Someone just googled the trade.

And if I did, does that make what I said less true, more true, or rather not say?