Recommitted Josh Dunkley [OOC 2022, requested a trade to Essendon, didn't get there]

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Mofra said:
There is some criticism of Dodoro, but the defence of his trading this year and last is strident, and it's not one or two isolated examples.


Again, refer previous comments about Dodoro not valuing his own deal as enough.
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There is pleeenty of criticism for Dodoro regarding Daniher. Many believed we should have traded Daniher last year instead of holding onto him. Plenty of criticism for the Shiel trade. Most Essendon fans also believed he unnecessarily made the Fantasia trade complicated.

I don’t have any problems with his conduct regarding the Dunkley trade though except for the length it took to come up with his offer. The final offer of pick 8 and a future second is more than enough. The 3-way trade for Treloar and Dunkley was also enough. Bulldogs just weren’t interested which is fair enough.

You’re misinterpreting Dodoro’s statement. Saying he wouldn’t do the deal if he was Bulldogs doesn’t mean he believes that’s what Dunkley is worth. It means he understands why Bulldogs didn’t trade Dunkley and would do the same for a player like him. A classic case of a player being worth more to a club than the open market considering Dunkley only has 3 quarters of one season last year to even justify a first rounder. There’s a reason why we targeted Dunkley over an Oliver type because he should realistically be cheaper than Oliver. Someone that’s pushed out of the midfield loses value.

Don’t think Dodoro or anyone expected the price to be 2 top 10 picks, which is what a contracted Oliver costs. We offered as high as we could and moved on from it. No issues there. All of Essendon, Bulldogs and Dunkley parted in an amicable way.
 
Doggy said:
Again, the only real winner there is Essendon, which isn't a surprise in any trade proposal by Essendon supporters even when they have no hand (eg Dunkley)

In your proposal we come up short in points for this year and have to go into deficit next year, but yeah good trade champ

You have made how many proposals so far? Every one of them heavily in Essendon's favour and every one of them absolute tripe
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You don't think Future 1st, Treloar and most of JUH is a win for Dunkley?
 

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Doggy said:
Again, the only real winner there is Essendon, which isn't a surprise in any trade proposal by Essendon supporters even when they have no hand (eg Dunkley)

In your proposal we come up short in points for this year and have to go into deficit next year, but yeah good trade champ

You have made how many proposals so far? Every one of them heavily in Essendon's favour and every one of them absolute tripe
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Glad you pointed that out.
Has anyone noticed that any trade proposed by an Essendon fan has been either unfair or unreasonable, however trades posed by Dogs fans are the exact opposite?

Very happy you accurately identified this one as a "champ". That'll show him.
 
Doggy said:
I'm sure you guys will threaten to hold him to his contract but will be up in arms if the same is done for Dunkley
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Not me, make the best decision for your club.

I expect dogs to hold Dunkley and wouldn't be up in arms whatsoever. He's gonna cost a huge amount so it's bordering on not being worth it.

Fwiw I'd strongly consider handing over 2 top 10 picks for Dunkley

Having 4 top 10 picks there's a good chance in taking all 4 we get a Serong/B.Smith from one of the 4 and in 2-3 years time they're doing what Dunkley is doing now
 
BEaston said:
Thank you for addressing absolutely nothing I said in my post.
Have I ever said he's not superior? They are in the same-ish ball park, not miles apart like the other poster was suggesting.
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Not miles but the gap is still significant. Could Dunkley end up better? Sure but we haven’t seen it.

As it stands Merrett is better in nearly all key stats and is almost 17 ranking points better head to head.
 
Keystone agony said:
Ess In: Dunkley
Ess Out: Future 1st, Pick 29(Port/Fantasia), Pick 45, Pick 63, Pick 67

WBD in: Treloar, Future 1st (Ess), Pick 29(Ess), Pick 45(Ess), Pick 63(Ess), Pick 67, Pick 69(Coll)
WBD out: Dunkley, Pick 12(17)

Pies In: Pick 12(17) WBD
Pies Out: Treloar, Pick 69

Essentially a Future 1st (Ess) and Treloar* for Dunkley plus a good amount of extra points for JUH

Dogs Picks: Pick 29,39,45,51,63,67,69 = 1935 Points (Goes very close to a Pick 2 Bid = 2013 points)

The dogs would do more work as they cant have that many picks. Trading them to a side needing more players for greater points in return to match a 2nd pick bid

*This is assuming the WBD hierarchy are keen on Treloar

A future 1st pick in a strong 2021 draft. Could potentially be a top 3-4 pick

Dogs fans would say no im sure
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This isn't a terrible effort at all. As you've called out, there would need to be a stack of other pick swaps to enable it as we couldn't use that many picks but I'm sure it could be arranged.
 
cAsEy_18 said:
Glad you pointed that out.
Has anyone noticed that any trade proposed by an Essendon fan has been either unfair or unreasonable, however trades posed by Dogs fans are the exact opposite?

Very happy you accurately identified this one as a "champ". That'll show him.
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Stinker hypotheticals from both sides at the moment. I read one on your board with us losing Dunkley and also losing pick 12 and getting pick 6 back in return. Just need to read, and move onto the next!
 
BEaston said:
Thank you for addressing absolutely nothing I said in my post.
Have I ever said he's not superior? They are in the same-ish ball park, not miles apart like the other poster was suggesting.
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Imo merett is a level above dunkley.
Merett is an exceptional ball user.
Dunkley is a good player his kicking is average
 

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BombersDave said:
I wouldn't personally listen to what Riley says. And before anyone starts I actually don't think this trade will get done, but there is a fairly easy way to do the trade. Collingwood swap next year's first for this year's first - they are similar to Bulldogs with JUH this year in that next year their first pick will be pointless as Daicos will get a very early bid. Essendons next year's first goes to Bulldogs so they get good value in a stronger trade period and no waste non this year's with JUHs bid eating into their pick. Dunkley to the Bombers. Obviously there would be more to the trade either by pick swaps or players etc but Essendon only need to get in another first which they can get from Saad or Daniher or something else and then they can trade another first if they need to as part of the Dunkley trade. So, not that hard to see a trade is certainly quite easy to achieve, even though I think as mentioned earlier that it won't happen.
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You lost me at fairly easy and Collingwood
 
Northernsoul74 said:
$500-550k is what’s been suggested. You would have thought he would get those $650-700 figures with us easy. That’s why I don’t believe those figures are correct. We’ve seen 650 to 800 talked about in the media. I think there’s be plenty of teams interested at those $650k figures. There’s a suggestion that the Essendon offer is very frontloaded though so that could be it.
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It’s $900k
 
Revised. Even better doggie fans.

Ess In: Dunkley
Ess Out: Future 1st, Pick 29(Port/Fantasia), Pick 45, Pick 63, Pick 67

WBD in: Treloar, Future 1st (Ess), Pick 29 (Ess), Pick 41 (Pies) Pick 45 (Ess)
WBD out: Dunkley, Pick 12(17)

Pies In: Pick 12(17) WBD, Pick 63 (Ess) Pick 67 (Ess)
Pies Out: Treloar, Pick 37 (41)

Dogs Picks: Pick 29,40,41,45,51 = ~2110 points

Pies get a pick before Mcinness and also points for him
 
Elmer_Judd said:
Nah, he started off very slowly, but got better as the season went on.

Think Bruce has finally settled in and will have a much better sophomore season for the Dogs.
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People might think it’s a little thing bu5 I couldn’t think of anything worse than living in a hotel room with a toddler and my wife pregnant with another in a state we didn’t live in
 
Keystone agony said:
Revised. Even better doggie fans.

Ess In: Dunkley
Ess Out: Future 1st, Pick 29(Port/Fantasia), Pick 45, Pick 63, Pick 67

WBD in: Treloar, Future 1st (Ess), Pick 29 (Ess), Pick 41 (Pies) Pick 45 (Ess)
WBD out: Dunkley, Pick 12(17)

Pies In: Pick 12(17) WBD, Pick 63 (Ess) Pick 67 (Ess)
Pies Out: Treloar, Pick 37 (41)

Dogs Picks: Pick 29,40,41,45,51 = ~2110 points

Pies get a pick before Mcinness and also points for him
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Hahahahaha that is absolutely garbage for the pies. Basically Treloar for a 2nd rounder.
 
Silky23 said:
Hahahahaha that is absolutely garbage for the pies. Basically Treloar for a 2nd rounder.
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Well he's uncoachable, won't play well without his partner, has a bad body and is on money the club can't handle. He'd lucky to be worth that

Edit: values him around pick 20 which is a late first
 
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Keystone agony said:
Revised. Even better doggie fans.

Ess In: Dunkley
Ess Out: Future 1st, Pick 29(Port/Fantasia), Pick 45, Pick 63, Pick 67

WBD in: Treloar, Future 1st (Ess), Pick 29 (Ess), Pick 41 (Pies) Pick 45 (Ess)
WBD out: Dunkley, Pick 12(17)

Pies In: Pick 12(17) WBD, Pick 63 (Ess) Pick 67 (Ess)
Pies Out: Treloar, Pick 37 (41)

Dogs Picks: Pick 29,40,41,45,51 = ~2110 points

Pies get a pick before Mcinness and also points for him
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Oh god, make it stop
 
Keystone agony said:
Revised. Even better doggie fans.

Ess In: Dunkley
Ess Out: Future 1st, Pick 29(Port/Fantasia), Pick 45, Pick 63, Pick 67

WBD in: Treloar, Future 1st (Ess), Pick 29 (Ess), Pick 41 (Pies) Pick 45 (Ess)
WBD out: Dunkley, Pick 12(17)

Pies In: Pick 12(17) WBD, Pick 63 (Ess) Pick 67 (Ess)
Pies Out: Treloar, Pick 37 (41)

Dogs Picks: Pick 29,40,41,45,51 = ~2110 points

Pies get a pick before Mcinness and also points for him
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I assume this is satire because that'd be horrible for the Dogs. You can't stockpile late picks for points anymore because you have to select as many players as picks you are bringing to the draft.

We will almost certainly trade out 12 but it'll be for 2 picks in the 20-35 range rather than 3-4 picks in the 30-50 range.

If your proposed 40, 41, 45 and 51 picks were used to get another pick in the 20s then it could be ok. I think your idea is reasonably balanced but that many picks isn't viable for us.
 
cherrypie said:
I assume this is satire because that'd be horrible for the Dogs. You can't stockpile late picks for points anymore because you have to select as many players as picks you are bringing to the draft.

We will almost certainly trade out 12 but it'll be for 2 picks in the 20-35 range rather than 3-4 picks in the 30-50 range.

If your proposed 40, 41, 45 and 51 picks were used to get another pick in the 20s then it could be ok. I think your idea is reasonably balanced but that many picks isn't viable for us.
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So having 5 spots on the list open considering you must make 3 picks isnt viable?

Dunkley
Dickson gone in this situation before delistings

I believe this is the current out of contract list? You might know more as to who's rookie ect
Ben Cavarra
Taylor Duryea
Ryan Gardner
Billy Gowers
Fergus Greene
Will Hayes
Buku Khamis
Bradley Lynch
Callum Porter
Roarke Smith
Matthew Suckling
Jordon Sweet
Jackson Trengove
Lachie Young
 
Keystone agony said:
So having 5 spots on the list open considering you must make 3 picks isnt viable?
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hey genius, we have other picks that aren't pick 12 you know, we'll just delist a quarter of the squad so we can pay for JUH with everyone elses trash picks to help them out instead of just trading 12 with Adelaide or North for second rounders.
 
Keystone agony said:
So having 5 spots on the list open considering you must make 3 picks isnt viable?

Dunkley
Dickson gone in this situation before delistings

I believe this is the current out of contract list? You might know more as to who's rookie ect
Ben Cavarra
Taylor Duryea
Ryan Gardner
Billy Gowers
Fergus Greene
Will Hayes
Buku Khamis
Bradley Lynch
Callum Porter
Roarke Smith
Matthew Suckling
Jordon Sweet
Jackson Trengove
Lachie Young
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Factoring in your idea:
In - Treloar, Hannan
Out - Dunkley, Young

Khamis is Cat B. Gardner, Sweet and Duryea all are almost certain to still be here. That leaves 9 players, of which in your scenario at least 7 would have to be delisted to make room for draftees. The worse part is that those picks (aside from JUH) would all be late in a draft with limited information.

If list sizes are reduced, we'd have to delist even more. That is a horrible plan for a team that is already one of the youngest in the league.
 
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