Traded Josh Dunkley - [Traded with F3 (Melb), F3 to Brisbane for #21, F1, F2, F4 (Geel)]

[Lore]

If you don't have the self-discipline not to attack other posters and derail the thread with crap every other time you post, thread bans will be applied.

Mods are not here to babysit.

Reporting bad posts instead of replying to them would also be extremely helpful if you wish to continue posting here.

 

[adogsfan5]

Ditto.

Taranto - similar player, both out of contract. 12 and 19 - na na na tigers overpaid in order to get Hopper cheaper.

Hopper - contracted, arguably not better than Dunkley - actually na changed my mind, they didn’t get him on the cheap, let’s compare with the Hopper deal instead.

 

[JasRulz63]

I suggest you go back and read some earlier posts. Dogs fans tried to use market value on the Taranto deal. Similar player and similar position.

Lions rebutted and said Tigers gave away overs in order to get Hopper cheaper.

Now you want to suggest using Hopper as the market value (cheaper deal).

If you have offered in between (F1 and 21), then I would suggest that’s a fair deal. Not sure how you managed to get to “overs”. How did you come to that conclusion?

You’ve also skipped over the fact that Dunkley is better than Hopper.

Pick a side and stick to it.

The logic also works the other way where Dogs supporters were all over the "precedent" being set with Taranto are now just going to try and wave the Hopper trade away by saying Dunkley is a better player while also ignoring Hopper being contracted boosts his value.

Dogs supporters aren't magically free of hipocrisy.

 

[hutchy31]

Let's just hope it falls over so this quality thread can keep on entertaining until the PSD.

Dunkley to the PSD isn’t good for the lions or the dogs, and so won’t happen.

But it would be great content. I for one am holding out some hope that it happens. This could end up being a legendary thread.

 

[adogsfan5]

The logic also works the other way where Dogs supporters were all over the "precedent" being set with Taranto are now just going to try and wave the Hopper trade away by saying Dunkley is a better player while also ignoring Hopper being contracted boosts his value.

Similar players, both out of contract.

But you’d prefer to compare with someone contracted, not similar and not as good? Weird.

 

[JasRulz63]

Similar players, both out of contract.

But you’d prefer to compare with someone contracted, not similar and not as good? Weird.

When the discussion of Taranto vs Hopper was brought up on the Brisbane board before the trade period (and before Dunkley was an option), the consensus from posters (including posters that watch GWS regularly) was that we'd rather Hopper.

 

[adogsfan5]

When the discussion of Taranto vs Hopper was brought up on the Brisbane board before the trade period (and before Dunkley was an option), the consensus from posters (including posters that watch GWS regularly) was that we'd rather Hopper.

Yikes, don’t tell Richmond that. 12 and 19 for the worse one who was uncontracted

 

[JasRulz63]

Yikes, don’t tell Richmond that. 12 and 19 for the worse one.

Not surprisingly, trade value of a player is subjective between clubs. Taranto fits Richmond's gamestyle to a tee. They value players that can get the ball forward at all costs, so the fact that he gets lots of it but doesn't always use it well (and favours hacking it forward) suits the way they play.

 

[adogsfan5]

Not surprisingly, trade value of a player is subjective between clubs. Taranto fits Richmond's gamestyle to a tee. They value players that can get the ball forward at all costs, so the fact that he gets lots of it but doesn't always use it well (and favours hacking it forward) suits the way they play.

Sounds like Dunkley. Wish he was going there!

FYI I’m still in the F1 + 21 camp. I just lol at the flipping and flopping.

 

[Warwick]

This thread has nothing on the Gaff / Kelly threads ft. Snake Baker.

We’re not close to legendary status yet, even with a PSD twist.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Lions tomorrow will conveniently drop the request for picks back as has been scripted for days now, giving both clubs the chance to save face and for fans of both clubs to pretend they had a win.

Photo of Dunkley in a Lions polo will be on AFL.com.au by 8pm Wed.

 

[Euku]

Hopper was a bit of a salary dump wasn't he? That's why they floated Haynes etc

 

[mattsmob]

Similar players, both out of contract.

But you’d prefer to compare with someone contracted, not similar and not as good? Weird.

I think you're missing the point people were making, I believe the point people were making was that Richmond payed overs on Taranto knowing they were going to be getting Hopper a bit cheaper as a result, almost like an investment which I believe has turned out to be the case.
Factoring in the contract situations I believe Taranto and Hopper were pretty evenly valued so the two separate deals should almost be averaged out into one deal which would roughly be around the F1 + 21 and maybe some other later swaps.

 

[adogsfan5]

I think you're missing the point people were making, I believe the point people were making was that Richmond payed overs on Taranto knowing they were going to be getting Hopper a bit cheaper as a result, almost like an investment which I believe has turned out to be the case.
Factoring in the contract situations I believe Taranto and Hopper were pretty evenly valued so the two separate deals should almost be averaged out into one deal which would roughly be around the F1 + 21 and maybe some other later swaps.

That’s exactly what I said really. In the middle is F1 and 21. Was more just trying to make a point that if Taranto was overs to get Hopper cheap, then there’s no point in basing the value on Hoppers deal alone.

 

[Claythesmiths]

Club	In	Out
Dockers	21, 73, GCF2, WBF2	Lobb, 44, NMF2
Dogs	Lobb, BLF1, NMF2	Dunkley, 69, WBF2
Lions	Dunkley, 44, 69	21, 73, BLF1, GCF2

 

[JasRulz63]

Lions tomorrow will conveniently drop the request for picks back as has been scripted for days now, giving both clubs the chance to save face and for fans of both clubs to pretend they had a win.

Photo of Dunkley in a Lions polo will be on AFL.com.au by 8pm Wed.

There was no way the AFL let this trade happen before Wednesday evening after the Jackson and JHF trades got done.

If you look at the article from AFL.com.au from over the weekend:

State of play: Where the major deals stand ahead of huge week

More than 20 players are still a chance to switch clubs in the final days of the Continental Tyres Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

Most of those deals are done, including all the bigger ones except Dunkley. Only other ones left are Henry, Sharp, Mitchell and Fiorini.

 

[adogsfan5]

There was no way the AFL let this trade happen before Wednesday evening after the Jackson and JHF trades got done.

If you look at the article from AFL.com.au from over the weekend:

State of play: Where the major deals stand ahead of huge week

More than 20 players are still a chance to switch clubs in the final days of the Continental Tyres Trade Period

www.afl.com.au

Most of those deals are done, including all the bigger ones except Dunkley. Only other ones left are Henry, Sharp, Mitchell and Fiorini.

Gillon would be that upset that Jackson and the mega deal was done before Wednesday

 

[CarterS]

I'm just glad that one way or another this only has 24 hours to play out. Sick of it.

 

[Mofra]

Dunkley to the PSD isn’t good for the lions or the dogs, and so won’t happen.

But it would be great content. I for one am holding out some hope that it happens. This could end up being a legendary thread.

Latest offer from Lions appears to be pick 21 & F1 with 2022 picks going back from the dogs.

That's way unders from a bulldog perspective

 

[Golden_6]

Geez what an absolute pisstake from the Lions.

A low first rounder and a pick upgrade for a 25 year old current B&F winner.

 

[RedWhite&Blue]

Really dirty?
How is prioritising our club's needs first playing dirty? We went away to get more draft picks after Doggies refused to budge or offer anything of substance in return. There are a couple of big name players left in the trade period and no surprise that both of them involve the Bulldogs. Pot kettle black.

“The Lions had looked to trade their pick No.21 and future first-round pick for Dunkley and receive a pick back in return however that won't proceed, leaving the 2016 premiership player in limbo on the final day. The Bulldogs board has approved sending Dunkley to the pre-season draft if a satisfactory deal is not decided.”

 

[Taylor]

If the Dogs have put the PSD in play, happier to let him go for nothing over anything, then Brisbane should be reducing their offer to either of the #21 or F1 - just sign the paper and leave it with the Dogs to either process or not. They'll find out by 7pm.

 

[Tom14]

If the Dogs have put the PSD in play, happier to let him go for nothing over anything, then Brisbane should be reducing their offer to either of the #21 or F1 - just sign the paper and leave it with the Dogs to either process or not. They'll find out by 7pm.

Screams the Luke Ball scenario to me.

I think we’d advise him to nominate terms in the national draft rather than PSD too. If no trade we’ll have our F1 and a spare F2 to use (Geelongs or ours) to live trade back into the draft once we match Ashcroft. Have more than enough points in 2022 picks alone for bids right now unless fletcher is bid on super early.

0% chance a team in the top 10-15 barring the dogs picks him up in the ND if he nominates a 1 year contract term. Dogs would then either choose to select him and potentially lose him for nothing but not get a draftee in or have to pass on it.

 

[Hollow Knight]

“The Lions had looked to trade their pick No.21 and future first-round pick for Dunkley and receive a pick back in return however that won't proceed, leaving the 2016 premiership player in limbo on the final day. The Bulldogs board has approved sending Dunkley to the pre-season draft if a satisfactory deal is not decided.”

“The Bulldogs board has approved being mentioned to try and add credibility to a threat that will never actually take place”.

 

[Nat Fyfe]

If the Dogs have put the PSD in play, happier to let him go for nothing over anything, then Brisbane should be reducing their offer to either of the #21 or F1 - just sign the paper and leave it with the Dogs to either process or not. They'll find out by 7pm.

How does that make sense? If the Dogs are happy to go with PSD based on current offer, why would Lions reduce their offer, given it wouldn't achieve anything one way or the other?

 

[Taylor]

How does that make sense? If the Dogs are happy to go with PSD based on current offer, why would Lions reduce their offer, given it wouldn't achieve anything one way or the other?

Because the end result is either the same or the Dogs panic to get anything for him and process the paperwork.