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Jumper clash fails
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It's both - clubs like Carlton could chose to wear a clash - but the AFL can direct them to wear.
Clubs like Carlton and Roos may be "stupid clubs" but the buck stops with the AFL.
The gws home jumper should have a charcoal back. Or their home shorts should be orange.
Pick one or other
They should have a charcoal kit and an orange kit - and if orange is clash, then white shorts is fine.
So Friday night Melbourne should have been in dark blue shorts (no white shorts needed at all).
Sat arvo Richmond could have been in black shorts (no white shorts needed at all) or in their yellow jumper with white shorts.
Sat night Carlton should have been in white clash jumper.
Today hawks either in the white jumper or giants in charcoal jumper.
What a weekend.
Sat arvo Richmond could have been in black shorts (no white shorts needed at all) or in their yellow jumper with white shorts.
Sat night Carlton should have been in white clash jumper.
Today hawks either in the white jumper or giants in charcoal jumper.
What a weekend.
Melb with white shorts wasn't a problem. Dogs don't have much white.
Tigers yellow w white shorts would have been worse. But agree they should been in black shorts.
Carlton 100% should have been in white clash - consistently the worst clash every year.
Gws should fix their home jumper - but as it is now, hawks have to be in white.
AFL get 3 crosses (north, gws, pies games) , 1 tick (cats) for me. Dees is a pass, and the other games have been no brainiers.
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Agreed with a Tony Ronaldson-sized 'but'...
Yes, I'm puzzled why with such a strong orange brand, GWS wouldn't just swap the orange and charcoal on the front of the home guernsey, then reverse it for the clash.
BUT...
That's currently their approved home guernsey and so opposition teams should have something in their kitbag to avoid creating a clash at GWS home games. Turns out Hawthorn does have the retro strip which would have worked perfectly. https://hawksmerchandise.com.au/hawthorn-2024-isc-retro-guernsey/
That's rubbish. Collingwood clash because they changed their home jumper. That's fine to change your home jumper, but they changed from a light back light front to a dark back light front. This is what is causing all the clashes. If they changed to a dark front dark back then there would be no issue at all and we could wear our alternative white strip. This ridiculous change by Collingwood means our normal jumper we have a clash and with our white strip we have a clash.
The AFL should be forcing them to wear their light back light front jumper for home games vs us, amateur run league indeed.
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This is a lie.
From 2001-2020 Collingwood had a mostly black front jumper. Carlton have worn their clash against Collingwood zero times (correct me if I’m wrong).
So I agree the Pies current jumper makes it tricky but Carlton wouldn’t wear their clash regardless.
It's their home game!!! Clubs can wear their own home jumper at home
Wear a clash jumper like almost every other club does when needed - including the Pies!
Stop being so darn entitled. Your club is no better than anyone else.
And your white strip would be fine - see Pies V Cats, Pies v Freo, Pies v Roos.
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Yes, but it's still their home jumper.
"mostly black"
If Collingwood wanted to wear a jumper that was exactly 50% white 50% black, the onus is on Carlton to provide an appropriate alternative, such as sky blue.
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The only mostly black fronted pies jumper I can recall is the one that had just the two white stripes which looked sort of like braces which disappeared pretty quickly.
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The 2001-2020 versions of the pies home was more black then white in the same way north’s jumper is mostly white.
Its only the current version with the thicker white stripes that is not mostly black.
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It was the same at hawks home game v giants. Their main strip is dark they should wear that. This is caused by giants switching to second strip.
Hawks have a dark strip for clashes. Of which there aren’t really many, if at all
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Even if you think this is more white than black (and their is an argument to say it is) Collingwoods home game, black shorts and socks.
"mostly black"
If your clash doesnt fix the issue then you need a third kit in pink or green or ****ing whatever to fix it.
Theres just no way to cut that a Pies home game clash is their fault.
Nah. They shouldn't change their home guernsey to one that creates clashes, just as Port Adelaide shouldn't change to a home guernsey that looks like a Collingwood one.
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This. As with the GWS home guernsey, I think the Collingwood home guernsey could be better. I think narrower stripes look better and more black on the front than white. But - again - that's their home guernsey. Deal with it. And if you're a team (like mine) whose official colours only contain black/navy and white, think about using a different colour for those away games. Teams do all sorts of creative stuff for Indigenous Round, Anzac Round, some for Pride Round. The world's not going to end if you wear a different coloured jumper for maybe one or two games in a season.
Not sure the clash would have been any better against GWS (probably would have been worse). Probably the best combination, if we're only sticking to home and clash guernseys is both teams in their clashes, Hawthorn in brown shorts, GWS in white. Which is obviously problematic for a GWS home game. So the obvious solution would seem to me to be for Hawthorn to keep its white retro (or a similar white variant - they've had several) as a third option and worn it yesterday. That would have worked fine.
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I don't buy that the AFL would overrule Carlton requesting to wear its white guernsey away against Collingwood and force the Blues to wear navy.
As I've mentioned I think that either Carlton requests that it wears navy blue guernseys for away games against Essendon, Richmond and Collingwood, OR Carlton says we want to wear our traditional guernsey for ALL away games and will only switch to white if instructed to by the AFL.
Either way, the AFL squibs it and contributes to this shit show.
There's two questions to be asked of the AFL and Carlton, both with very simple answers.
1. Do you see a problem with the above spectacle?
2. Do you want to be part of the solution, a simple one, given the reverse fixture looks fine?
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Philosophically i disagree with you, if the pies wanna change their jumper they are absolutely entitled to, and if doing so creates a clash then they must also have a suitable clash for when they are the away team.
Ultimately it doesnt really matter because according to the rules, that IS their home jumper, whether you and I like it or not and therefore any clash created because of it is the responsibility of the away team to solve.
To be clear i blame Carlton like 10%, if the AFL doesnt wanna enforce their own policy then why would Carlton bother rolling its clash out. Carlton could and should just nominate their clash for this game but if the AFL dgaf, i can see why they dont
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A large portion of what's posted on BigFooty is hypothetical.
I don't buy that Carlton doesn't contribute to the crap show that we see at every away game against Collingwood. I don't see what the AFL possibly has to gain from Carlton wearing its navy blue guernsey instead of the logical clash guernsey in away games against Collingwood (and Essendon and Richmond).
So the only logical scenario that I can see is Carlton puts in its requested kit to wear and the AFL (for some inexplicable reason) ticks off on the navy blue guernsey against Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon, while the clash is worn away against every other team with a dark guernsey, many with broadly very similar designs/colours to Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon: Adelaide, Fremantle, Port Adelaide, Melbourne, St Kilda... this has been going on for years, it isn't a coincidence.
So yes, the AFL unquestionably has the power to fix this issue and for some weird reason chooses not to, but I have no doubt that Carlton could help by getting with the times and indicating a willingness (better yet a preference) to wear the clash in all games where it would unquestionably help the spectacle. I have no doubt that if Carlton said it wanted to wear white guernseys away against Collingwood, the AFL would sign off on it. Because... why wouldn't they?
Yes, the AFL's approach to this is farcical, but for Carlton's approach to be "we didn't wear our clash guernsey, because the AFL didn't ask us to" is BS as well. Get out of he stone ages and help drive the change.
