Coach Justin Longmuir

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Has he ruined Matt Johnson already?

Kid looks so devoid of confidence at the moment and can’t get near it.
He’s for sure going to get dropped this week which is further evidence of the warped way of thinking from possibly the most uninspiring coach In AFL history.
 
Bicco said:
Does anyone think JL is enjoying his job? This is one of the key indicators of whether he should stay.
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Body language would indicate he isn’t dealing with the stress well.
But we only see limited parts so it’s hard to really make an assessment with the info at hand.
 

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Kram said:
It's worrying but as bad as things are it can all change and click pretty quick.

He's got 12 months..
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There are enough examples on both sides to not be able to make any definitive statements with real confidence.

My gut feeling is that JL is a lot better than he looks now.
 
To me the questions that the board needs to ask itself if they're looking for (and I hope it's on the table) a new coach are 'Is there someone better?' And 'what does better look like?'.
I think there's two answers to the latter. Someone with proven premiership involvement on a consistent basis.
And/or someone who has innovative thought that will be the next game game changer.
I think for example, that the WB, while lucky is the wrong word, were fortunate that so much fell their way to lead to them winning a flag. They hardly built a dynasty. That's not to say someone from their ranks may not be a game changer. But on evidence of what we're seeing with so much WB influence at our club. The evidence speaks for itself.
So really we're looking at assistants from Richmond, Geelong and maybe Melbourne. Collingwood hasn't had the sustained success (yet) but it's hard to argue their style hasn't been consistently successful for a number of years.
As to the game changer, that could be someone from the above clubs or anywhere. I'm not across every assistant from every club, this is where coach managers would be important in facilitating 'a chat' with these likely candidates.
I genuinely hope that the board is doing this at least on a semi regular basis. Keeping their ear to the ground and monitoring likely candidates.
There's the obvious 'get Hardwick' concept which could apply to others such as Scott at Geelong, but the success rate (of getting them) would be low and the financial cost high.
But the board could be doing all of this and still think JL is best man for the job.
He gets next year IMO but the finger needs to be on the trigger ready to replace him immediately. The idea we sack him without a candidate lined up will just keep us in this position for another 10 year rebuild and there's no one who could stomach that. Tassie will come in and will be taking all of the good players for at least 4 years you'd imagine.
There's a lot of pressure on the decision makers at our club to get it right now, otherwise we're stuffed for a lot longer.
 
There’s no point coming on here & other threads after a loss & calling for his head. He will be given the opportunity of another preseason to repair the errors of the last one to get this group in better shape (not fitness)
You suspect also he will be given until the bye next year to see if there are results from that, if not then by all means he should go at some point after that. The age demographic of the group means that there is opportunity for someone else to come in get this group to it’s potential if JLo can’t.

The only way I feel he’ll go before then is if he steps down, which I highly doubt.
 
s_wd6 said:
The game style doesn’t hold up to high pressure or the players don’t? Not enough blame is on the players ever week. Not being able to handball 2m away to ur teammates advantage has nothing to do with JL.
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The absolute constant BS handballing around in a tight a circle and/or backwards definitely doesn't hold up under pressure.

"But that's the players not the coach!" some will say.

I say: the players have been doing it year and nothing has changed. Either the coaches condone it, or they don't have the fortitude/competency to change player behaviour.

Either way the coaches must take responsibility for the way we play.
 
FreoRicci said:
Longmire has one, in 2012. I would like the young group to see it out with JL. There’s a small gap.
The mix is there. Need better onfield leadership.
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The problem is, these days players have much more ability to move to another club.

So why should they see it out with JL? When perhaps a club comes calling that has a better coach and is in a city were some of the players would prefer to live anyhow.

Off field is just as competitive as on field. We have to give our players a reason to stay.

Don't reckon we have given too many good reasons to hang around this year.
 
Wizard said:
Has he ruined Matt Johnson already?

Kid looks so devoid of confidence at the moment and can’t get near it.
He’s for sure going to get dropped this week which is further evidence of the warped way of thinking from possibly the most uninspiring coach In AFL history.
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Yes, MJ is ruined forever. Nothing to do with fitness of a young player who has only had 1 preseason. It would have been good to rest him recently But there haven’t been other options available, so match comm have continued to give him exposure which is painful short term but will pay off long term.

that’s why he doesn’t look great out there and isn’t getting to the right spots as much. Fortunately we were able to give him a bit of a rest last night.
 
sumavich said:
Longmuir needs more support, and I don't think that should be orchestrated by Bell.
He is too polarising, and we need someone from outside to be footy boss IMO.
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Genuine AFL names, the club is a minnow in the eyes of the football world.
Lions were a joke until Mathew’s hard nosed approach.
Malthouse at the eagles.
Blight at the crows, all at their second club.
We have no one with that experience. Even a mentor role would be welcome
 

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WilloTree said:
hahaahaaa,,, people still think its the coach.

Maybe go and watch a game.
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I do mate. I might miss 1 or 2 home games season. And let me tell you we have been an uninspired rabble out there most games this year.

There are many games when we look devoid of structure forward of the ball. Games where we attempt the same method of transitioning the ball from backs to forwards even thought it is obvious that the oppo are setting up behind the ball for exactly how/where we intend to move it.

Many games where our midfield group fail to set up to defend the stoppage time and time again as the oppo midfield waltzes out of the centre ...

... then to see the same players line up in the middle again because the coaches refuse to apply any form of accountability or consequence on the players mid-game when they don't defend.

I have seen many games where we have been physically monstered in the middle and the coaching response has been to go smaller and younger by using guys like Switta and Aish, or Erasmus and Johnson as their plan B.

Our talented but young team need all the help they can get from the coaches to bridge the gap between us and harder, stronger, more experienced teams.

At the moment the coaches are letting the players down.

As a club we worked hard over many years to set ourselves up for success. And the footy department as a whole seems intent on self sabotage.
 
Skills are still not at the required level. Missing 3m handballs and simple kicks is just not acceptable.

JL is the guy though. I can see how he wants the team to play, but the leadership team is still a problem. Serong is the future captain, and I would make that happen by 2025. He will compliment JL's oratory deficiencies.

I was quite impressed that the team never gave up last night. However, JL needs to take a hard line against players who take the easy option with long bombs down the line. If he doesn't, then he will find himself sitting in the assistant coaches chair again.

Luke Ryan and Ethan Hughes bombed the ball straight into the forward line without identifying a target or space to kick into. In my opinion this is a decision making error and players need to be dropped for it.
 
FreoRicci said:
There’s no gameplan in the first quarter because the players put themselves under pressure losing clearances, the ground ball pressure is poor.
The first goal was exactly how it should work. Corbett led to the square.
The midfield have not set the tone consistently this season.
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See, i'm of the opposite view. That first goal was us getting away with a flawed gameplan. Go back and have a look at it, we went out the back from the stoppage, messed around with it and somehow found Treacy who got separation from his opponent. That usually doesn't happen - and didn't happen for pretty much all of the first half. Normally when we do that we either cough it up because we have one too many handballs, or on the off chance we get away with it, because we've spent 10 seconds messing around with the pill the opposition has the time to set up inside our forward 50 and we simply have to bomb it long to a crowded forward line. Finding an open player is not generally possible. That we did on that occasion was the exception rather than the rule.

Sydney get the ball out of the stoppage and they simply get it forward to an open forward line. We don't.
 
eastfreo75 said:
We lost Acres, Mundy, and Lobb in one trade season.

The reality is that our list is pretty young but pretty good.

Justin Longmuir is the issue.
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Seems the issue is just as much with his support. He took us into the top 6 last year and lost 3 first 22 players and has had a senior assistant replaced with a rookie.
I think he is Connolly type stubborn. I.e believes he is right, he just needs to keep doing the same thing for longer. If he is wrong he is risking the same outcome as Cuddles.
 
Dirty_banchez said:
Skills are still not at the required level. Missing 3m handballs and simple kicks is just not acceptable.

JL is the guy though. I can see how he wants the team to play, but the leadership team is still a problem. Serong is the future captain, and I would make that happen by 2025. He will compliment JL's oratory deficiencies.

I was quite impressed that the team never gave up last night. However, JL needs to take a hard line against players who take the easy option with long bombs down the line. If he doesn't, then he will find himself sitting in the assistant coaches chair again.

Luke Ryan and Ethan Hughes bombed the ball straight into the forward line without identifying a target or space to kick into. In my opinion this is a decision making error and players need to be dropped for it.
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Quality post. Brad Hardie bless his soul who is often full of BS was making some comments on radio about the Tail wagging the dog. Normally I’d take that with a grain of salt coming from Mr Hardie but it makes a bit of sense.

He was stating there had been private player meetings and the like. There was one reported by media a few weeks ago after the Carlton loss organise by APearce where they spoke home truths or whatever rubbish.

Anyway just on the eye some things that concern me:
Luke Ryan in particular (as you mention consistently bombing it forward) - ignoring other better shorter options
Ryan getting a bunch of useless stats in the back half
Alex Pearce consistently ignoring half backs running past like Clark, Young and now Wagner. Holding the ball and then kicking sideways to the likes of slow decision makers like Hughes and Ryan.

I watched JL’s face both after a long Ryan bomb and also when Alex APearce didn’t use handball option and he wasn’t happy. He needs to be more authoritative and as you say and I 100% agree take a more hardline approach to those that aren’t following his rules and the game plan.

To me some players are confused but also just doing their own thing at times without any consequences. If this continues as you say he will be sitting in an assistants chair sooner than I’m sure he would like.

Also I’d be replacing Pearce as captain as soon as 2024.
 
blue shark said:
Genuine AFL names, the club is a minnow in the eyes of the football world.
Lions were a joke until Mathew’s hard nosed approach.
Malthouse at the eagles.
Blight at the crows, all at their second club.
We have no one with that experience. Even a mentor role would be welcome
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Malthouse went to Carlton and was a disaster. Rodney Eade went to gold coast and was a disaster. Craig McCrae was a first year senior coach and had success. It isn't necessarily the solution.
Justin could use some competent senior support though and a little less wishful thing with some players.
 
apuchar said:
Malthouse went to Carlton and was a disaster. Rodney Eade went to gold coast and was a disaster. Craig McCrae was a first year senior coach and had success. It isn't necessarily the solution.
Justin could use some competent senior support though and a little less wishful thing with some players.
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Those guys were too old by then. Mick was at his 4th club, etc.
Simon Goodwin was read the riot act in 2020, was backed by the club, but on thin ice.
But even then they had Richardson, Williams, to help the coach to turn things around.
Look at our support, programs, we don’t even look like we do weights, let alone tackling skills, etc,
When was the last time the Captain spoke to the umps?
We have 3 guys who look like AFL bodies Fyfe, Shultz and JOM.
Two of the three are showing their age though.
This team is going nowhere until a nasty streak is added to the
club.
 
Johnny Dalmas said:
I do mate. I might miss 1 or 2 home games season. And let me tell you we have been an uninspired rabble out there most games this year.

There are many games when we look devoid of structure forward of the ball. Games where we attempt the same method of transitioning the ball from backs to forwards even thought it is obvious that the oppo are setting up behind the ball for exactly how/where we intend to move it.
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JL has been very clear on this. Please listen to his pressers. If you wander down to training you will see this is what we work on the most.
Johnny Dalmas said:
Many games where our midfield group fail to set up to defend the stoppage time and time again as the oppo midfield waltzes out of the centre ...

... then to see the same players line up in the middle again because the coaches refuse to apply any form of accountability or consequence on the players mid-game when they don't defend.
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The same? What the actual ****? You must be new around here.

Neale, Weller, Langdon, Hill, Acres, Brayshaw, Fyfe, NOD, Hughes, Serong, Aish, O'Meara, Jackson, Darcy, Walters, Meek, Tucker, Johnson, Erasmus, Blakely, Mundy, Jackson.

.. yeah - it's the same people again.

You just couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Johnny Dalmas said:
At the moment the coaches are letting the players down.

As a club we worked hard over many years to set ourselves up for success. And the footy department as a whole seems intent on self sabotage.
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You just outlined three problems with the list and then wrote "the coaches"

I hope you can see where you went wrong.

I can.

We all can.

It's painful that I keep having to point this out.
 
blue shark said:
Those guys were too old by then. Mick was at his 4th club, etc.
Simon Goodwin was read the riot act in 2020, was backed by the club, but on thin ice.
But even then they had Richardson, Williams, to help the coach to turn things around.
Look at our support, programs, we don’t even look like we do weights, let alone tackling skills, etc,
When was the last time the Captain spoke to the umps?
We have 3 guys who look like AFL bodies Fyfe, Shultz and JOM.
Two of the three are showing their age though.
This team is going nowhere until a nasty streak is added to the
club.
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Agree we need some senior support just not sure "the big names" the poster was referring to is necessarily the answer. Brayshaw and Serong can only be built up so much. Maybe it would just be easier to play at least one of them elsewhere and play guys with the natural body type already. Serong looks more suited than Brayshaw but he still tends to get tackled easily when he wins the inside ball. He isn't strong enough to get the ball off when tackled. Both seem better as the third inside mid who can be more the receiver.
Its hard to have any mongrel when you are being bullied and battered off the ball. No doubt they try, and I'm sure they get agro, but it does look like a losing battle at the moment.
 
apuchar said:
Agree we need some senior support just not sure "the big names" the poster was referring to is necessarily the answer. Brayshaw and Serong can only be built up so much. Maybe it would just be easier to play at least one of them elsewhere and play guys with the natural body type already. Serong looks more suited than Brayshaw but he still tends to get tackled easily when he wins the inside ball. He isn't strong enough to get the ball off when tackled. Both seem better as the third inside mid who can be more the receiver.
Its hard to have any mongrel when you are being bullied and battered off the ball. No doubt they try, and I'm sure they get agro, but it does look like a losing battle at the moment.
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Have to disagree on Serong. He had 10 clearances last night, most on ground - Parker had 8 and then next highest was 5.

Last week we played JOM and Brayshaw more as clearance players - 10 and 7 respectively. most By pies was 7.

Against carlton Cripps had 10. Then Brayshaw and Cerra on 6. Serong among a bunch of others on 4
 
Vintage said:
Have to disagree on Serong. He had 10 clearances last night, most on ground - Parker had 8 and then next highest was 5.

Last week we played JOM and Brayshaw more as clearance players - 10 and 7 respectively. most By pies was 7.

Against carlton Cripps had 10. Then Brayshaw and Cerra on 6. Serong among a bunch of others on 4
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Clearance doesn't mean first possession. And what you do with it is also a part of your job.
 
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