USA Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

[Bloods86]

Surely the "donors" who fund are of more significance than the "celebs" who invoice?

Who are the Biggest Donors?

Who are the biggest donors in the 2024 election cycle? See the details.

www.opensecrets.org

Elections should be federally funded, lobbying and fundraising cracked down on etc. For all sides.

But oof that's a lot of red $$ at the top.

 

[Stokey]

Can you provide evidence which demonstrates that she received a payment for her presence supporting Harris?

Do I have 24hrs?

I'm just saying that I am sceptical when someone sends out a surrogate like their mother or sister to deny something. Just do it yourself. Whether she was paid or not the event was a disaster and didn't do anything for Harris. The way it was billed as Beyonce performing and then Beyonce just talked for 3mins didn't go over well with the crowd or from a PR perspective.

If she was paid it was money very badly spent.

 

[Bloods86]

Do I have 24hrs?

I'm just saying that I am sceptical when someone sends out a surrogate like their mother or sister to deny something. Just do it yourself. Whether she was paid or not the event was a disaster and didn't do anything for Harris. The way it was billed as Beyonce performing and then Beyonce just talked for 3mins didn't go over well with the crowd or from a PR perspective.

If she was paid it was money very badly spent.

No, that's not what you're "just saying". It's the latest in a long line of claims you've made, stuck to them, and then backtracked eventually. Absolutely no standards applied in the information you parrot.

Also, do you know if Beyonce was billed as performing, or was that just the rumour?

 

[Stokey]

No, that's not what you're "just saying". It's the latest in a long line of claims you've made, stuck to them, and then backtracked eventually. Absolutely no standards applied in the information you parrot.

Also, do you know if Beyonce was billed as performing, or was that just the rumour?

What am I walking back.
I believe she was paid.

Who knew there were so many Beyonce fans on here.

This must be what getting on the wrong side of Swifties is like

 

[Bloods86]

What am I walking back.
I believe she was paid.

Who knew there were so many Beyonce fans on here.

This must be what getting on the wrong side of Swifties is like

You've gone from "she was paid", "she would be lying to her fans if she said she wasn't" to "just saying it's weird that she hasn't denied it" and "whether or not she was paid".

I'm not really a fan of either Beyonce or Swift, a few of their songs are catchy, but that's about it.

What I am a fan of is people not talking out of their arse, laughably telling others to do research, and pretending like they are the informed ones.

 

[bourbons]

Also, do you know if Beyonce was billed as performing, or was that just the rumour?

She was never billed as performing. Stokey just making shit up to suit his pre-concieved narrative, as usual.

A few internet people speculated if she would and it went from there.

 

[Not Important]

we live in hope.

 

[Not Important]

Do I have 24hrs?

I'm just saying that I am sceptical when someone sends out a surrogate like their mother or sister to deny something. Just do it yourself. Whether she was paid or not the event was a disaster and didn't do anything for Harris. The way it was billed as Beyonce performing and then Beyonce just talked for 3mins didn't go over well with the crowd or from a PR perspective.

If she was paid it was money very badly spent.

"no" would have sufficed.

 

[Bloods86]

we live in hope.

There'll be a few special elections in Florida, New York etc, and also a Senate special election in Ohio (where multi-term Dem Sherrod Brown just got ousted), that the Dems would possibly be able to pick up.

Be hilarious if Trump's appointments cost them the House majority, and then Dems, along with a few Republican moderates in the Senate were able to curb some of the more unhinged judges being appointed. Senate special election in Ohio will be too late for initial cabinet appointments, but maybe there'll be 4 Republicans willing to stand for something and block Gaetz, Gabbard, Hegseth, RFK Jr, Oz etc.

 

[Not Important]

I quite like the Leninist lean-in pose performed by Bernie. Scares the hell out of the party bigknobs though, and they dealt with him.

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frankly, i'm more interested in the content.

 

[Osho]

Elections should be federally funded, lobbying and fundraising cracked down on etc. For all sides.

But oof that's a lot of red $$ at the top.

It's insane really the volumes of bribes going on.

 

[Blue1980]

Yeah obviously it's a long way to go, but I don't believe similar polls at the same time had people clamouring for Gore, Kerry or even Hillary.

It seems at the moment that the general post-mortem points are:

a) it was largely Biden's fault. True to an extent but I think lets a lot of people off the hook (which is probably why so many of the Democratic leadership have embraced it)
b) the Sanders line of "we've become too compromised to the extent of not standing for anything" versus the centrist line of "we stand for too many niche left-wing causes and need to cut our ties"

In the muck of all this and the lack of anything like consensus, I suppose a lot of Democratic voters are just shrugging and inertia wins.

I’m assuming they decide to go more right leaning, drop any progressive economic agenda, throw trans people and immigrants under the bus and hope people just hate MAGA republicans so much they can win with Gavin Newsom on the ticket in 2028, assuming the elections aren’t too compromised by then.

Overton window keeps moving further to the right, and Dems will basically just be a party of neocons and even more ex Bush era republicans.

Or, there is a progressive takeover from the left Sanders wing of the party. Progressive economic agenda, no pandering to culture war nonsense (though still supporting the marginalised groups, but no virtue signalling BS).

99.99999999% chance the first timeline occurs though.

 

[Blue1980]

Surely the "donors" who fund are of more significance than the "celebs" who invoice?

Who are the Biggest Donors?

Who are the biggest donors in the 2024 election cycle? See the details.

www.opensecrets.org

Annexing the West Bank worth 136 million via Miriam Adelson apparently.

 

[Xtreme]

Do we think she runs for the nomination in 2028 ?

The public has spoken and rejected her. Just like Victorians rejected John Brumby after he was parachuted in without being elected leader!

 

[Randomizor]

Stokey is so so close to copying their messiah and messaging:

I HATE BEYONCÉ

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Surely the "donors" who fund are of more significance than the "celebs" who invoice?

Who are the Biggest Donors?

Who are the biggest donors in the 2024 election cycle? See the details.

www.opensecrets.org

That's a scary read Osho.

At a minimum, entities that have government contracts (SpaceX) should not be able to donate. That's a clear conflict of interest.

And then news services (Bloomberg) should also be forbidden donating as these services should be impartial.

 

[big_e]

Not sure too many get another go after getting trounced like that, I'd reckon Gavin Newsom would probably win preselection.

San Francisco Mayor then California Governor is a horrible CV for a Democrat presidential nominee. The Republicans and their media allies would have a field day with that.

 

[Chief]

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So you're projecting your dramatic response into my dismissal of it something needing such drama?

 

[Osho]

That's a scary read Osho.

At a minimum, entities that have government contracts (SpaceX) should not be able to donate. That's a clear conflict of interest.

And then news services (Bloomberg) should also be forbidden donating as these services should be impartial.

Corporatism.

It'll take a revolt of some sort to break it.

 

[Osho]

San Francisco Mayor then California Governor is a horrible CV for a Democrat presidential nominee. The Republicans and their media allies would have a field day with that.

Yep, he'd be a sitting duck.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Corporatism.

It'll take a revolt of some sort to break it.

At this point, it's a level playing field, a bit like an Olympic games where there is no drug testing so you can assume everyone is cheating. It's probably fairer than trying to regulate donations as you just end up with the current Olympics where you just don't know who is and isn't drug enhanced.

 

[Osho]

At this point, it's a level playing field, a bit like an Olympic games where there is no drug testing so you can assume everyone is cheating. It's probably fairer than trying to regulate donations as you just end up with the current Olympics where you just don't know who is and isn't drug enhanced.

I didn't compare Rep Dems, but a brief overview looked like Rep donors are more in sum and in higher donors. The link gives options to look at previous elections, can see trends, such as Bloomberg growing over cycles, and a couple of newer donors coming in with huge sums, I guess to make an impact in an already overflowing pool.

With "corporates" "owning" parties, democracy, literally ownership by the people, is undermined, cut asunder. US founding fathers anticipated fairly regular overthrow of corrupt influenses grown too large.

It's Time!

 

[spinynorman]

The public has spoken and rejected her. Just like Victorians rejected John Brumby after he was parachuted in without being elected leader!

Stunningly contemporary reference here. You may as well compare it to Rupert Hamer being subbed out for Lindsay Thompson.

 

[LeakyValve]

Yep, he'd be a sitting duck.

An indictment really that someone who has been the mayor of a major city and the Governor of the most important state
in the Union would be deemed a sitting duck considering who is to be inaugurated.
Whatever anyone thinks of Newsom, it is bizarre that it is even something to be equated.
Truly bizarre and just shows how wrong, how unhinged the status quo has become.

 

[big_e]

An indictment really that someone who has been the mayor of a major city and the Governor of the most important state
in the Union would be deemed a sitting duck considering who is to be inaugurated.
Whatever anyone thinks of Newsom, it is bizarre that it is even something to be equated.
Truly bizarre and just shows how wrong, how unhinged the status quo has become.

Politics has never really made sense.