Ken Hinkley has a better win percentage than Ross Lyon

[Freomaniac]

That St Kilda side was ridiculously talented and should’ve won a premiership. Grant Thomas got them to a prelim and (almost GF)… calling them a basketcase when he took over is a comically inaccurate take.

Wanna hear about freos finals record pre Ross Lyon from 1995-2011?

It's garbage. Only made finals in 2003, 2006 and 2010.

And you wonder why I savoured all 9 of those finals under Ross Lyon from 2012-15.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Poort have had some absolutely elite assistants or have gone on to get the top job
Voss
Walsh
Richardson
Carr
Brett Montgomery

Over the last few years it's becoming clear that you need more then just a good head coach. You need very good assistants to get the best out of players and Port have definitely done this.

I don't know if Ross is up to the landscape clearly changed between him starting at freo and now

On paper his record speaks for itself but were talking over 10 years ago
bounce of a ball and he's a premiership coach
Port loses two Prelims by under a goal and Hinkley would be in the same category as Lyon

Just on the assistants thing, Lyon I think it was has been quoted as saying that for the 2010 season, our football department spend was a whopping $3million less than Collingwoods was.

Him, SOS and Elshaugh were carrying an enormous load.

 

[aussierulesrules]

And Geelong beat St Kilda by 12 points so the Hawkins goal also doesn’t mean s**t now does it, so why bring it up?

Of course it does, because it’s what’s called a “sliding doors moment”. As in, everything after that point happened differently as a result of what happened.

In this instance, Geelong got 6 points for a ball that clearly hit the post, and instead of the ball being in St Kilda hands for a kickout, it went to a neutral centre bounce. Geelong then got the centre break and scored another goal within seconds of that centre bounce.

So two goals within 65 seconds, off the back of a ball that hit the post.

So what “should” have been 1 point, a demoralising miss from the goalsquare, and ball in St Kilda’s hands, quickly became 12 points to Geelong. In a close, low scoring game (was 31 points each, 24 mins into the 2nd, when he hit the post).

 

[Boxhead_31]

Of course it does, because it’s what’s called a “sliding doors moment”. As in, everything after that point happened differently as a result of what happened.

In this instance, Geelong got 6 points for a ball that clearly hit the post, and instead of the ball being in St Kilda hands for a kickout, it went to a neutral centre bounce. Geelong then got the centre break and scored another goal within seconds of that centre bounce.

So two goals within 65 seconds, off the back of a ball that hit the post.

So what “should” have been 1 point, a demoralising miss from the goalsquare, and ball in St Kilda’s hands, quickly became 12 points to Geelong. In a close, low scoring game (was 31 points each, 24 mins into the 2nd, when he hit the post).

Which was cancelled out by the St Kilda dubious double goal at the end of the second quarter

 

[random260]

WTF. AFL media said Hinkley should be extended only if he makes a prelim.

That's ****ing outrageous and unreasonable expectation and pressure on Hinkley.


Reckon Semi/Top 6 is a good middle ground.


I think a two year extension for top 6
And 3 year extension for top 4 when the dust settles.

 

[Schulzenfest]

I agree with the wtf. That standard is too low. He should only be extended if he makes a Grand Final at a minimum. By the end of this year he will have already been the longest serving coach in AFL history at one club without making a Grand Final by over a season and a half.

This should all be a moot point because he should have already been sacked at the end of any of 2018, 2019 or 2022.

 

[Freomaniac]

WTF. AFL media said Hinkley should be extended only if he makes a prelim.

That's ******* outrageous and unreasonable expectation and pressure on Hinkley.


Reckon Semi/Top 6 is a good middle ground.


I think a two year extension for top 6
And 3 year extension for top 4 when the dust settles.

You actually want port to succeed or want to make them suffer even more? LoL

 

[Adz2332]

Ken has also squandered much better playing lists than Lyon

 

[Pistol Night]

And Geelong beat St Kilda by 12 points so the Hawkins goal also doesn’t mean s**t now does it, so why bring it up?

Because the thread is specifically about Lyon and what his legacy could of been you simpleton ****

 

[Freomaniac]

Because the thread is specifically about Lyon and what his legacy could of been you simpleton *

Now we're talking LoL

And with the FIFA World cup in Qatar, what's more likely to put you to sleep?

Ross Lyon footy or those bloody vuvuzelas sounding like bees in that 2010 world cup lol

 

[Jables]

Ken has also squandered much better playing lists than Lyon

In 2009 the Saints nearly had an undefeated season with stars at every line and very good key position players, I think this is exactly what people mean with Ross Lyon gets a lot of credit for underperforming, the Freo team was loaded too.

Ignoring all the more personal off-field stuff we know for a fact that he:

1. Has a disposition towards playing unsuitable favourites like Zac Dawson which blatantly backfired in big games, consistently played some weird guys like Clarke even though they were terrible inside while if they were good on the run, in that gameplan they were never going to show it.
2. Sidelines good players like Luke Ball, which so blatantly backfired in big games (led at 3rd quarter grand final, randomly benched Ball in the entire 4th quarter and got overrun).
3. Despite having star studded lists and superstar key forwards, was top 4 in scoring ... once.
4. Does not develop stars. He just doesn't.
5. Has a history of not accepting any fault and talking down to reporters who question anything, while deflecting to what other teams were doing.

He is a Paul Roos acolyte who also massively underperformed with an amazing list IMO, self-sabotaged really talented lists with a reliance on defensive tactics. If they lost, well the scoreline was so close, it's almost as good as winning!

 

[The 747]

Now we're talking LoL

And with the FIFA World cup in Qatar, what's more likely to put you to sleep?

Ross Lyon footy or those bloody vuvuzelas sounding like bees in that 2010 world cup lol

Good question: Ross Lyon or vuvuzelas?

 

[White Dogg]

Hinkley vs Lyon this Friday. Thoughts Freomaniac?

 

[Cdog71]

Hinkley vs Lyon this Friday. Thoughts Freomaniac?

Nice alt acc

 

[Toump Ass]

Ken has also squandered much better playing lists

No he hasn't.

Port Adelaide have an average list and Ken Hinkley has done a really good job getting this average lists into multiple preliminary finals.

 

[White Dogg]

I agree with the wtf. That standard is too low. He should only be extended if he makes a Grand Final at a minimum. By the end of this year he will have already been the longest serving coach in AFL history at one club without making a Grand Final by over a season and a half.

This should all be a moot point because he should have already been sacked at the end of any of 2018, 2019 or 2022.

Crows would have sacked Hinkley at the end of 2016. Similar coaching record to Neil Craig too.

 

[Prince St]

Posted earlier this year on Port board by Coobk001

 

[Freomaniac]

Hinkley vs Lyon this Friday. Thoughts Freomaniac?

This is gonna be good. In front of a national audience too

 

[Freomaniac]

Ken hinkley legacy will be that his single handily saved power from financial collapse and performance collapse.

They wore t shirts for him! In ken we trust

I think the bar is making the 6th for an extention. You can't get rid of him now when people like JHF and rioli look up to him.

Solid post.

Much respect for Ken Hinkley last week for sticking up for Jason Horne Francis

 

[Freomaniac]

Lyon inherited good lists full of stars.
He then traded away draft picks for role players.

Both clubs then had to gut and commence full rebuilds AFTER he left.

He arrived at both clubs with good lists and left both with s**t lists.

The lesson for the Saints is not to let him have his way on list mgt decisions.

Let the cobblers cobble.

I have already posted this on other threads.

By the time Ross Lyon was sacked at Freo at the end of 2019 and Justin Longmuir replaced him, the dockers men's rebuild was already 75-80% done.

If you look back to Justin Longmuir 1st year in 2020, he needed one more season of kids coming through.

Then comes 2021, had Freo beaten Essendon in docklands mid season, dockers would of taken Essendons 8th spot.

Then freo makes finals in 2022 with a very young squad, then fall To heap in this season in 2023.

 

[westie]

Which was cancelled out by the St Kilda dubious double goal at the end of the second quarter

Krap

 

[Freomaniac]

In 2009 the Saints nearly had an undefeated season with stars at every line and very good key position players, I think this is exactly what people mean with Ross Lyon gets a lot of credit for underperforming, the Freo team was loaded too.

Ignoring all the more personal off-field stuff we know for a fact that he:

1. Has a disposition towards playing unsuitable favourites like Zac Dawson which blatantly backfired in big games, consistently played some weird guys like Clarke even though they were terrible inside while if they were good on the run, in that gameplan they were never going to show it.
2. Sidelines good players like Luke Ball, which so blatantly backfired in big games (led at 3rd quarter grand final, randomly benched Ball in the entire 4th quarter and got overrun).
3. Despite having star studded lists and superstar key forwards, was top 4 in scoring ... once.
4. Does not develop stars. He just doesn't.
5. Has a history of not accepting any fault and talking down to reporters who question anything, while deflecting to what other teams were doing.

He is a Paul Roos acolyte who also massively underperformed with an amazing list IMO, self-sabotaged really talented lists with a reliance on defensive tactics. If they lost, well the scoreline was so close, it's almost as good as winning!

What do you mean Freos lost was loaded?

Dockers made the grand final in 2013. Did the dockers have 8 or 9 players that made the All Australian squad like the cats had in 2007?

You claim the dockers were loaded. Name all these champion players they had?

 

[My Tilly]

Krap

You barely scraped by the Dogs in the preliminary final and only scored in the 60's in btb finals.
Geelong put up 120 and then had another gear in the grand final which was ultimately the difference in the game.

St Kilda fans implying they should have won 09 is insulting.

Ross has always prioritised defense over offense. Rarely any middle ground.
Collingwood score heavily, as too Melbourne and Geelong. They also defend brilliantly.

History repeating for Ross?

 

[Mr Meow]

What do you mean Freos lost was loaded?

Dockers made the grand final in 2013. Did the dockers have 8 or 9 players that made the All Australian squad like the cats had in 2007?

You claim the dockers were loaded. Name all these champion players they had?

Bit of an unfair example. Hawthorn through their dynasty years had 3 or 4 in the AA side, similar to Richmond. I don't think Freo underachieved in 2013 because they beat a very good Geelong side in Geelong in the QF and at least scrapped out a competitive enough match vs Hawthorn in the GF. But they were a good side.

Pavlich (champion), Ballantyne, Walters and Mayne was a better forward line than people gave them credit for. All AAs at some point, minus Mayne who still kicked plenty of goals that season.

Fyfe (champion), Mundy, Barlow with an exceptional stopper in Crowley was a strong midfield. Hill on the wing was damaging. The bohemeth Sandi tapping it down to them.

It was a defense with few star names, McPharlin being the standout - but you wouldn't say there was a liability between the flankers and pockets. Dawson perhaps wasn't the strongest full back but his record was surprisingly okay.

Making a GF through those years was about par. Hawthorn the clear standouts, Geelong were only great in 2013, Sydney were good, West Coast were good. Not much else.

 

[PowerBaz]

Is Ken still here?