Ken Hinkley has a better win % than Damien Hardwick

[vozzon]

You both realise Suns, Bulldogs, Giants and Melbourne were behind us when Ken became coach right? 2 of them have a premiership and 1 at least has made the GF. He’s a good coach because at least we’re better then Gold Coast.

Not doubting we have fallen short a few times, you need to look at the list we have and it seems it is just short of premiership side. We have a good list but when you look at how the other teams were built, Ken was up against it taking the club over from a bad place and also having all the picks during the rebuilding phase taken up by GC and Giants. The first time our club bottomed out it coincided with the addition of 2 teams in the AFL. Would any other coach done better?

Giants with all there picks had to make a GF and really looks more of a failure than port.
Bulldogs - had some good drafting with F/S players gifted to them, would we look better if we had some father son's like they did.

Looking at Melb, they stuffed up there chance to draft with Brayshaw/Trengrove. But then they had more opportunities to recruit top 5 picks and it shows with petracca, Oliver, Jackson and the recruits of May and Lever were massive. Port hasnt bottomed out to get that generational talent. Ollie wines was the last one.

 

[Sky]

Try pointing out facts such as these on our board and you get attacked by the rabid hyenas which make up the majority of our posters when it comes to Ken Hinkley.

Is the Geelong fanbase similar in that the majority of the fanbase are made up of rabid hyenas when it comes to Chris Scott?

No mate, that sounds like the complete opposite of our board. The Chris Scott apologists which make up the majority are the true pack of hyenas.

yep. It’s bizarre.

Deep down you know that’s not true but for a Scottite you aren’t bad when you aren’t coming off aggressive through text.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Honestly couldn't give a toss... as it's about winning flags... & we haven't done that for a while in the men's.

I thought Port exists to win premierships.... but you seem to think they exist to be better than the Crows.

There are 16 other clubs too...

It's a bit embarrassing when the Crows man understands Port better than the Port fan.

Please don't take him as representative of our board.

 

[master bate]

Not doubting we have fallen short a few times, you need to look at the list we have and it seems it is just short of premiership side. We have a good list but when you look at how the other teams were built, Ken was up against it taking the club over from a bad place and also having all the picks during the rebuilding phase taken up by GC and Giants. The first time our club bottomed out it coincided with the addition of 2 teams in the AFL. Would any other coach done better?

Giants with all there picks had to make a GF and really looks more of a failure than port.
Bulldogs - had some good drafting with F/S players gifted to them, would we look better if we had some father son's like they did.

Looking at Melb, they stuffed up there chance to draft with Brayshaw/Trengrove. But then they had more opportunities to recruit top 5 picks and it shows with petracca, Oliver, Jackson and the recruits of May and Lever were massive. Port hasnt bottomed out to get that generational talent. Ollie wines was the last one.

I get what you're saying about the compromised drafts and Port not quite having the glut of elite talent come through. But:

Melbourne stuffed up and gifted you Wines with a pick 7.

Wingard was definitely top 5, probably top 3, but fell to pick 6 due to not wanting to go to the Giants.

They aren't Petracca/Oliver or Bont/Macrae but they aren't far off.

Throw in the ability to get Polec for cents on the dollar out of a miserable Brisbane and to pick up Dixon and even someone like Ryder for cheap prices of the years and Port have had the ability to attract talent. Allir for stuff all! Signed some good free agents over the years too - Rockliff, Motlop, Lycett. And Lachie Jones will be an absolute steal.

There's also nothing that's really prevented Kenny from having a terrible season in one of the years that haven't worked out either. Won 12 games without ever finishing a round in the 8 in 2015 for instance. Tank the year Ken, get a top 7 pick!

And the list just isn't an excuse for the prelim. It was absolutely set up for Port to win. All you had to do was survive a Dogs first quarter blitz and keep the game level for a while and the Dogs would've been thinking it was getting a bit too hard on the road for the 3rd week in a row and up against a nasty Port crowd.

 

[vozzon]

I get what you're saying about the compromised drafts and Port not quite having the glut of elite talent come through. But:

Melbourne stuffed up and gifted you Wines with a pick 7.

Wingard was definitely top 5, probably top 3, but fell to pick 6 due to not wanting to go to the Giants.

They aren't Petracca/Oliver or Bont/Macrae but they aren't far off.

Throw in the ability to get Polec for cents on the dollar out of a miserable Brisbane and to pick up Dixon and even someone like Ryder for cheap prices of the years and Port have had the ability to attract talent. Allir for stuff all! Signed some good free agents over the years too - Rockliff, Motlop, Lycett. And Lachie Jones will be an absolute steal.

There's also nothing that's really prevented Kenny from having a terrible season in one of the years that haven't worked out either. Won 12 games without ever finishing a round in the 8 in 2015 for instance. Tank the year Ken, get a top 7 pick!

And the list just isn't an excuse for the prelim. It was absolutely set up for Port to win. All you had to do was survive a Dogs first quarter blitz and keep the game level for a while and the Dogs would've been thinking it was getting a bit too hard on the road for the 3rd week in a row and up against a nasty Port crowd.

I get what you're saying about the compromised drafts and Port not quite having the glut of elite talent come through. But:

Melbourne stuffed up and gifted you Wines with a pick 7.

Wingard was definitely top 5, probably top 3, but fell to pick 6 due to not wanting to go to the Giants.

They aren't Petracca/Oliver or Bont/Macrae but they aren't far off.

Throw in the ability to get Polec for cents on the dollar out of a miserable Brisbane and to pick up Dixon and even someone like Ryder for cheap prices of the years and Port have had the ability to attract talent. Allir for stuff all! Signed some good free agents over the years too - Rockliff, Motlop, Lycett. And Lachie Jones will be an absolute steal.

There's also nothing that's really prevented Kenny from having a terrible season in one of the years that haven't worked out either. Won 12 games without ever finishing a round in the 8 in 2015 for instance. Tank the year Ken, get a top 7 pick!

And the list just isn't an excuse for the prelim. It was absolutely set up for Port to win. All you had to do was survive a Dogs first quarter blitz and keep the game level for a while and the Dogs would've been thinking it was getting a bit too hard on the road for the 3rd week in a row and up against a nasty Port crowd.

More to defend Ken, the list build started on a bad foundation and we didn't have access to the elite talent. Might be the best port can do.

No doubt you allowed us to take Wines (like you got Petracca gifted to you lol) and Wingard so we were very lucky in those instances, Boak is still going well which has helped with out midfield depth. We were a kick away in 2014 of a GF against a really good hawks team as well with that list. It seems now we are re building on the go but it might mean again we lack that top pick to get gun. Those one off tank years seem to help, we have been fairly consistent.

I think our recruitment has been as good as any of the top teams with the guys you have mentioned, with the picks we have had available. Just looking at all the good teams that have won premierships this decade with PP, F/S or free agents have gone a long way helping build those lists.

 

[Gethelred]

He also has three less flags. Chris Scott

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has a winning percentage of 68%; is he a better coach than Damien Hardwick, considering his what, 3 finals losses to that Richmond team?

Maybe winning percentage isn't all that and a bag of chips, hmm?

 

[HBFlanker]

Heard some mail recently that Kochie has reached to Clarkson.

Would be a fairytale finish for him to head back to where he got his start.

Not sure it will happen, but pretty reliable info that Kochie is keen on Clarko

 

[_Mike_]

Would take 3 flags over a better WR as a coach any day.

 

[JimmyBC]

Would take 3 flags over a better WR as a coach any day.

Most sane people would, the only record Kenny is gonna hold is the longest serving AFL coach without a GF appearance.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Not a fan of Hinkley at all , but I don't think their list right now is capable of winning the flag this year, Dixon is well past his prime, Rozee has not progressed as expected (wouldn't say he has gone backwards, but he needs to pull the proverbial out in 2022) and I am not sure they have enough improvement in their kids/fringe players to get over that Prelim Final bump.
(And yes, Ken is to blame for a lot of that)

In fact, I could see other teams improving significantly this season and Port drop out of the eight altogether.

I expect them to finish somewhere between 6th - 10th this season.

 

[sobrave]

Not a fan of Hinkley at all , but I don't think their list right now is capable of winning the flag this year, Dixon is well past his prime, Rozee has not progressed as expected (wouldn't say he has gone backwards, but he needs to pull the proverbial out in 2022) and I am not sure they have enough improvement in their kids/fringe players to get over that Prelim Final bump.
(And yes, Ken is to blame for a lot of that)

In fact, I could see other teams improving significantly this season and Port drop out of the eight altogether.

I expect them to finish somewhere between 6th - 10th this season.

Ol shit for brains Kenny should have been sacked in the 5 years we spent in the doldrums 2015-2019.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Ol sh*t for brains Kenny should have been sacked in the 5 years we spent in the doldrums 2015-2019.

Settle Petal.

Don't lash out at me if your club's board/administration continues to make bad decisions ? I think they are as much a problem as Ken.

Oh boo hoo, you spent 5 years in the doldrums ? Try being a Carlton supporter over the last 20 years.

This whole 'we exist to win flags' might have worked when you were just A big fish in a small pond when you were just the Magpies in the SANFL, but it amounts to zilch in the big league now, and the sooner Port fans face reality and realize you will never come close to having the amount of constant flags and succes as you did pre-AFL the better.

 

[JimmyBC]

Settle Petal.

Don't lash out at me if your club's board/administration continues to make bad decisions ? I think they are as much a problem as Ken.

Oh boo hoo, you spent 5 years in the doldrums ? Try being a Carlton supporter over the last 20 years.

This whole 'we exist to win flags' might have worked when you were just A big fish in a small pond when you were just the Magpies in the SANFL, but it amounts to zilch in the big league now, and the sooner Port fans face reality and realize you will never come close to having the amount of constant flags and succes as you did pre-AFL the better.

What a no hoper attitude why can't clubs aspire to go on flag runs like Geelong, Hawthorn & recently Richmond ffs?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Settle Petal.

Don't lash out at me if your club's board/administration continues to make bad decisions ? I think they are as much a problem as Ken.

Oh boo hoo, you spent 5 years in the doldrums ? Try being a Carlton supporter over the last 20 years.

This whole 'we exist to win flags' might have worked when you were just A big fish in a small pond when you were just the Magpies in the SANFL, but it amounts to zilch in the big league now, and the sooner Port fans face reality and realize you will never come close to having the amount of constant flags and succes as you did pre-AFL the better.

This is a loser attitude. Keep this sort of excuse making loser talk up and David Koch will probably offer you a job.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Hinkley, Bob Rose and Ross the Boss certainly stand out from that group.

One of them hasnt even made a grand final

 

[Mailliw]

It's a bit embarrassing when the Crows man understands Port better than the Port fan.

Please don't take him as representative of our board.

The Crows were founded for the very reason of existing to be better than the Power.

It's why it's satisfying knowing the Power are ahead of the Crows when it comes to being South Australia's number one club.

At the end of the day, we want to be the best of the best, and while it's been frustrating seeing us play in seven preliminary finals with only one flag to show for it, I'm confident knowing our club is in good hands with the right people at the club to give us the best chance at achieving the ultimate success and winning our first flag since 2004.

 

[JimmyBC]

The Crows were founded for the very reason of existing to be better than the Power.

It's why it's satisfying knowing the Power are ahead of the Crows when it comes to being South Australia's number one club.

Such twaddle what's satisfying? last I looked they have two AFL flags and made a GF in the last 5 years.

 

[schmuttt]

Ken isn't a good coach lol, has pissed away a very talented team for years. Is meant to be more of a motivator than a tactical coach but his team tends to turn in absolute stinkers when they lose rather than fight it out. Also loves to take all the credit in the media but when they play like shit puts it all on the playing group. Funniest thing was how upset the Lions were after losing to the Dogs because they knew they would have flogged Port just like the Dogs did.

 

[PhatBoy]

Would take 3 flags over a better WR as a coach any day.

Everyone would. Any day of the week. If that win percentage is achieved over a long sample size though there’s a good chance it is fairly representative of someone’s general coaching ability though

 

[El_Scorcho]

Ken isn't a good coach lol, has pissed away a very talented team for years. Is meant to be more of a motivator than a tactical coach but his team tends to turn in absolute stinkers when they lose rather than fight it out. Also loves to take all the credit in the media but when they play like sh*t puts it all on the playing group. Funniest thing was how upset the Lions were after losing to the Dogs because they knew they would have flogged Port just like the Dogs did.

Bang on. When you ask people what aspect of coaching is his strength, all they can really come up with is that the players love him. Then they put in 3-5 absolute bed-shitting performances a season. Maybe the players loving the coach isn't everything.

 

[Mailliw]

Such twaddle what's satisfying? last I looked they have two AFL flags and made a GF in the last 5 years.

We've made top 2 as many times in the past two years as the Crows have in the past 15 years.

 

[JimmyBC]

We've made top 2 as many times in the past two years as the Crows have in the past 15 years.

Do you pop champagne over this meaningless twaddle?

 

[PetterdHoisted]

I don't think Ken coaches scared the way a Chris Scott

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10.2

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3.0

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2.2

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2.8

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0.4

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does, Ken has tried mini-rebuilds at least.

It is hard to build a cup-winning list, and some are so scared of failure they don't even try.

Give Ken a break I reckon- at least he has risked failure to try for ultimate success!

 

[El_Scorcho]

I don't think Ken coaches scared the way a Chris Scott does, Ken has tried mini-rebuilds at least.

It is hard to build a cup-winning list, and some are so scared of failure they don't even try.

Give Ken a break I reckon- at least he has risked failure to try for ultimate success!

Ken doesn't coach scared because he's completely incapable of analysing what an opponent is going to try to do to counter us and reacting to it.

Fear can be healthy. If Ken was scared of elite small defenders, he'd adjust our forward entry style to stop them from dominating us. If Ken was scared of getting overrun in the midfield, he'd plan to counter that. None of that happens. He just does the same thing anyway and has no real idea why it doesn't work against good sides.

I agree that Chris Scott coaches too scared, but i'd love for Ken to have a healthy level of fear of opposition sides so he's ready in the box when teams do something tactically to counter us.

 

[Pessimistic]

If their rebuild started 2010-12, they are a couple of years the wrong side of 12oclock - +7 years (9 years now 10 in 2022)