Kerr - Still a dirty sniper

[snrub]

Kerr at his best is/was a better midfielder than any that have played at your club. Why is it always a freo supporter that starts these threads?

Kerr at his best, isn't/wasn't better than Peter Bell.

 

[Eagle87]

Nice rant.

Typical. Someone points out the flaws in your baseless assertions and you dismiss.

Apologies

Something I'm sure your used to ...

Not true at all.

Thanks for your opinion. The Brownlow medal and the AA selectors disagree.

How far do you need to go to make excuses for him? Plenty of players endure interrupted preseasons. IIRC Chris Judd did in his first season for Carlton and was second best on ground by his third game.

As I pointed out, Kerr was second best for his team v Brisbane - in the first game of 2010. Are you slow?

I never said he was much worse than Headland. I said he was better than Headland. I said he was a much worse player in a poor team. Reiterating this point made earlier:

Actually what you said was:

And Kerr is a rich man's Headland. Better player overall, naturally, but much worse in a poor team, injury prone and a headcase.

Given the construct of your sentence, "Better player overall, but worse in a poor team" would logically be a reference to Headland ....

Is anyone actually "better" in a poor team?

I mean Judd was better from 2004 - 2006 than he has been since ...

Surely you can follow the flow of discussion? Wait a minute:

Once again, your posts are light on substance, long on baseless assertions and even longer on poor attempts to be witty ....

You are a lightweight as always, nice to see you are staying away from SRP, hopefully you'll stay away from here when they figure you out

 

[Eagle87]

He's a nut punching, headbutting, elbow dropping little sniper who cant handle a tag.

Most of that is accurate...

Leading the brownlow count in 2008 and being runner up in 2009 doesnt mean shit, you have been dreadful, there's virtually no one else to take votes off anyone with an ounce of talent.

Indeed.... its pretty hard to be the only decent player in a crap side, not be able to handle a tag and yet still average the best part of 1 Brownlow Vote every game you play ...

Evidenced by the strong showing of Priddis in last years count, or does that mean he's a quality player, because from a team perspective he polled well in the Charlie?

Indeed. Exception that proves the rule. Terrible player ...

Kerr is a sniper who hasnt been able to shake a tag, the greats handle this, they rise above it, they dont lash out and if they do they go for the eyes.

Not bad Pav ... not bad ...

You still running the Peter Bell was better line?

 

[goldcoastfc]

Kerr at his best, isn't/wasn't better than Peter Bell.

Yeah, he clearly was. Kerr at his best was incredible.

 

[GordonGecko]

At his best Kerr is a devasting midfielder and his best was undoubtedly better than Bells.

However, it is all too rare we see that, and IMO longevity, durability and consistency are all measures for a players greatness.

In those three areas Bell has it all over Kerr.

 

[Eagle87]

At his best Kerr is a devasting midfielder and his best was undoubtedly better than Bells.

However, it is all too rare we see that, and IMO longevity, durability and consistency are all measures for a players greatness.

In those three areas Bell has it all over Kerr.

So does Michael Braun ... and about 8 million plodders .... whats your point?

Again, between 2001 and 2007, Kerr was durable & consistent - then at age 24 he started getting injured ...

So he doesn't have longevity .... injuries happen ... I mean based on longevity John Coleman was shyte ...

 

[placebo]

Kerr at his best, isn't/wasn't better than Peter Bell.

Lol. Please.

 

[Clay Davis]

Typical. Someone points out the flaws in your baseless assertions and you dismiss.

What flaws? Just more ranting from you.

Something I'm sure your used to ...



Thanks for your opinion. The Brownlow medal and the AA selectors disagree.

LOL. Are you always so wishy washy? You disagree with the selections when it suits. Appeal to authority doesn't work when you whinge about it earlier in the thread (cf Kosi selection as Rising Star)

As I pointed out, Kerr was second best for his team v Brisbane - in the first game of 2010. Are you slow?

In a loss where you were beaten by the team that finished third last. Bravo.

Actually what you said was:

So we have established you have the memory of a goldfish,

Given the construct of your sentence, "Better player overall, but worse in a poor team" would logically be a reference to Headland ....

Like I said, you can't actually discuss the issue. Too busy trying to construct gotchas in a hope to win imaginary points. It's quite sad.

In both sentences, I draw three comparisons between Headland and Kerr, reiterating the first sentence again in the second. The fact that you missed this speaks poorly of you. Inability to construct sentences and inability to read. Keep up, old man.

Is anyone actually "better" in a poor team?

Since when was the conclusion that he should be better? Just that he shouldn't be so much worse.

Priddis? Cousins wasn't worse in 2001 than 2005. Jonathan Brown took his game to new levels well after Brisbane were premiers. I'm sure there are heaps of examples if you can think of them.

I mean Judd was better from 2004 - 2006 than he has been since ...

Umpires disagree. 68 votes from 63 games at Carlton versus 66 games from the same number at West Coast during 2004-06. Or is this another of your pissweak 'exceptions'.

Once again, your posts are light on substance, long on baseless assertions and even longer on poor attempts to be witty ....

Awesome. Do you have anything else to say?

You are a lightweight as always, nice to see you are staying away from SRP, hopefully you'll stay away from here when they figure you out

You mean like how I posted in there today quite a bit? You never did reply to my last post in this thread. Why not? You can't? That's it, I bet you can't.

 

[GordonGecko]

So does Michael Braun ... and about 8 million plodders .... whats your point?

Dont be stupid, Im still harking back to my A-grade comment. Both players, Bell and Kerr would be in that bracket.

Again, between 2001 and 2007, Kerr was durable & consistent - then at age 24 he started getting injured ...

And Judd and Cousins also happened to vacate the premises at that particular period. He became the go to man. Judd and Cousins were consistent in that same period as go to men. They were first tagged.

Kerr cannot handle it.

And that's the biggest difference between Kerr and the truly great midfielders. They can tough it out.

His repsonse is to lash out, fold in the face of some close checking.

Meanwhile Bell, Judd, Ablett and Goodes fronted up every week as the number one mid and still prospered.

The injuries line is a bit thin. Even in those years post Judd and Cousins, his output in terms of effectiveness has been greatly reduced.

 

[pablo668]

So does Michael Braun ... and about 8 million plodders .... whats your point?

Again, between 2001 and 2007, Kerr was durable & consistent - then at age 24 he started getting injured ...

So he doesn't have longevity .... injuries happen ... I mean based on longevity John Coleman was shyte ...

OH YEAH!!!? Well let me tell you something.........hey who's the girl in your avatar? I think I'm in love.....

 

[mehow2g]

Dont be stupid, Im still harking back to my A-grade comment. Both players, Bell and Kerr would be in that bracket.



And Judd and Cousins also happened to vacate the premises at that particular period. He became the go to man. Judd and Cousins were consistent in that same period as go to men. They were first tagged.

Kerr cannot handle it.

And that's the biggest difference between Kerr and the truly great midfielders. They can tough it out.

His repsonse is to lash out, fold in the face of some close checking.

Meanwhile Bell, Judd, Ablett and Goodes fronted up every week as the number one mid and still prospered.

The injuries line is a bit thin. Even in those years post Judd and Cousins, his output in terms of effectiveness has been greatly reduced.

Yeah he couldn't handle a tag when there absolutely nothing else to tag for the opposition team.

 

[Eagle87]

Dont be stupid, Im still harking back to my A-grade comment. Both players, Bell and Kerr would be in that bracket.

Bell was A- ... at best.

And Judd and Cousins also happened to vacate the premises at that particular period. He became the go to man. Judd and Cousins were consistent in that same period as go to men. They were first tagged.

Thanks for your opinion Pa

Kerr cannot handle it.

And that's the biggest difference between Kerr and the truly great midfielders. They can tough it out.

I thought you were above cheap cliches "can't handle a tag". Apart from the odd game, his stats and performance don't support it.

He has only played 26 games since Judd & Cousins left, everyone as our best player going into the game.... and usually our only dangerous mid.

He has been unable to play due, primarily, to injury ... thats the only reason for his lack of performance..

His repsonse is to lash out, fold in the face of some close checking.

He has a short fuse. You are adding 2 + 2 and coming up with 8.

Meanwhile Bell, Judd, Ablett and Goodes fronted up every week as the number one mid and still prospered.

Putting Bell in that group is embarassing ...

The injuries line is a bit thin. Even in those years post Judd and Cousins, his output in terms of effectiveness has been greatly reduced.

26 games Pav, many many games in our best ... 4 or 5 poor games ...

Its the 40 games he has missed thats the issue re his output ...

 

[GordonGecko]

Yeah he couldn't handle a tag when there absolutely nothing else to tag for the opposition team.

Yes.

*pats head*

 

[Tarantino]

I don't know how WC fans can even try to put Kerr in the elite category. I mean, he was decent, but...seriously?

 

[Eagle87]

What flaws? Just more ranting from you.

When you throw a number out as "destroying" anothers argument and its relevance is immediately discounted by more meaningful numbers, thats called a flaw.

Ignoring them and moving into diversion and silliness doesnt change that..

LOL. Are you always so wishy washy? You disagree with the selections when it suits. Appeal to authority doesn't work when you whinge about it earlier in the thread (cf Kosi selection as Rising Star)

You dispute Kerr was an AA and Top 3 in 3 consecutive Brownlows?

Plenty will dispute he was ahead of Kosi, regardless, he was at worst second best kid in the comp in his first season when we were shit. Which tends to undermine your notions of him being poor in a poor side.

In a loss where you were beaten by the team that finished third last. Bravo.

In a game we were massive underdogs in and (at that stage) Brisbane were Top 4 favourites ... they also won their first 4 games ...

Your BIG argument was that Judd was second best on ground in his third game back after a pre-season of injury .... but you discount when Kerr did better ...

So we have established you have the memory of a goldfish,

More typical cheap shots ...

Like I said, you can't actually discuss the issue. Too busy trying to construct gotchas in a hope to win imaginary points. It's quite sad.

Says the man who makes baseless assertions, plays the man and rarely the ball and runs away from any debate of his debunked points ...

In both sentences, I draw three comparisons between Headland and Kerr, reiterating the first sentence again in the second. The fact that you missed this speaks poorly of you. Inability to construct sentences and inability to read. Keep up, old man.

Yes, thats it

Since when was the conclusion that he should be better? Just that he shouldn't be so much worse.

Despite there being no evidence that this is even the case ....

Cousins wasn't worse in 2001 than 2005. Jonathan Brown took his game to new levels well after Brisbane were premiers. I'm sure there are heaps of examples if you can think of them.

Kerr has barely played when we have been shit. In 2001 he was one of the 2 best kids in the AFL - we were shit. In 2008-2010 he has played 26 games.

In those games he was typically our best performer v all others over those 26 games ...

Hard to perform when you are not out there.

Umpires disagree. 68 votes from 63 games at Carlton versus 66 games from the same number at West Coast during 2004-06. Or is this another of your pissweak 'exceptions'.

Interesting stat.

Not even the majority of Blues fans reckon he was better for them than us. Pretty much no-one from any other side does.

Interesting stat though. Nice to see you actually trying to make an argument

Awesome. Do you have anything else to say?

Nope. Point made.

You mean like how I posted in there today quite a bit? You never did reply to my last post in this thread. Why not? You can't? That's it, I bet you can't.

I am checking it now ... probably gave up because it was your usual uni undergrad shallow drivel ... but I will check ...

EDIT: Ok, here it is, your last post in that thread:

Nanny statism is everywhere guys. Only a couple of years ago you were allowed to drink beer on the London Underground and now it is banned. By a Tory mayor, no less.

It's the general state of affairs globally.

You really want me to respond to that? Really?

Wow, its deep ...

 

[Haydos]

Can this this and all future anti West Coast threads be moved to the Freo board where they belong.

Maybe ask one of the Freo mods to create a sub-forum for you so all your West Coast circle jerk threads can be in the one spot

 

[Eagle87]

I don't know how WC fans can even try to put Kerr in the elite category. I mean, he was decent, but...seriously?

From a supporter of a club that made Shaun McManus as Captain and Wikipedia describes him as follows:

He is one of the most popular players to ever represent the Fremantle Football Club in the Australian Football League (AFL) and is often seen as an icon or favourite son of the club.

I mean you guys are certainly experts on what makes a top footballer ...

 

[Majinbuu]

What a dog act from a shit player.

Judd vs pavlich?

 

[lewigie]

I don't know how WC fans can even try to put Kerr in the elite category. I mean, he was decent, but...seriously?

Wow.

 

[GordonGecko]

Bell was A- ... at best.

Still an A.

I thought you were above cheap cliches "can't handle a tag". Apart from the odd game, his stats and performance don't support it.

And I thought you were smart enough not to rely on stats. Effectiveness is what counts.

You remember that game where he and Priddis both racked up 40 + possesions yet your side lost by 10 goals?

2 Brownlow votes. The mind boggled as I heard that read out.

Had a patch in 2009 where he struggled to reach double figures under a close watch.

It may be a case of having no quality runners outside of him, but it also inescapably clear that he also struggles to overcome a close tag.

He has only played 26 games since Judd & Cousins left, everyone as our best player going into the game.... and usually our only dangerous mid.

And? Judd goes into every match in the same fashion, so does Goodes, Ablett and so did Bell for a long time.

He has been unable to play due, primarily, to injury ... thats the only reason for his lack of performance..

Bullshit. His only reason?

Please.

He has a short fuse. You are adding 2 + 2 and coming up with 8.

And he's an idiot. Why would he punch someone in the nuts when it's so easy to drop some knees in a tackle?

Putting Bell in that group is embarassing ...

No it isnt. He was a the number one midfielder in an AFL team for a very long time.

26 games Pav, many many games in our best ... 4 or 5 poor games ...

Its the 40 games he has missed thats the issue re his output ...

In 2008 he was shit against Sydney, Port Adelaide the Western Bulldogs, Collingwood, Richmond and Geelong.

2009 he had a dreadful patch, a terrible 3 match period which, if I recall correctly sparked talk off him needed a run in the WAFL against the Hawks, Melbourne and Fremantle.

You want to revisit the tapes go for it.

Watch how well you think he played in those games.

You're taking on a ****ing guru, just so you know.

 

[Pykie]

Lol. Please.

Bell was A- ... at best.

Yeah, he clearly was. Kerr at his best was incredible.

People have such short memories, and it doesn't help that Freo supporters think he was at his best in the Purple.


Bell from 98'-00' produced better football than Kerr, even in his purple patch around 07'.


He was just about the premier midfielder in one of the successful sides of the last 20 years.


Kerr hasn't come close to averaging 27 disposals and over a goal a game in a season.

Devasting isn't the word either.

The most goals Kerr kicked in a season was 20, that was in his second season when he played alot of it as a forward.

The most disposals he's averaged is 27, again, he only managed 1 season anywhere close to that.



Bell kicked 20+ goals in 7 seasons, in 99' he averaged 25 disposals and kicked 32 goals.

In 2000 he averaged 26 disposals and kicked 24 goals.


All in a period where statistics were far less inflated!


Unlucky not have a Norm Smith medal, few players have had 32 possessions and kicked 4 goals from the midfield in a Grand Final and not won it.


The only laughable thing is dismissing Bell as a genuine A grader.



Don't confuse style over substance.


Bell has it completely over Kerr.

 

[GordonGecko]

Great post Pykie.

 

[wce4premiership]

Legend

 

[Eagle87]

Still an A.

Just...

And I thought you were smart enough not to rely on stats. Effectiveness is what counts.

You remember that game where he and Priddis both racked up 40 + possesions yet your side lost by 10 goals?

2 Brownlow votes. The mind boggled as I heard that read out.

Priddis played the worst 40 possession game in history that day, Kerr was actually very very good.

Did you watch? I did.

Had a patch in 2009 where he struggled to reach double figures under a close watch.

It may be a case of having no quality runners outside of him, but it also inescapably clear that he also struggles to overcome a close tag.

4 games in 2009. He was, as I am sure you are aware, playing injured - an injury that ultimately ended his season a month or so later...

I did concede he had a few poor games. Perhaps we should have had him play as a loose man across the full back line to pad his stats, like Belly under Cuddles?

And? Judd goes into every match in the same fashion, so does Goodes, Ablett and so did Bell for a long time.

Bell, Goodes, Judd and Ablett - pick the odd man out?

Bullshit. His only reason?

Please.

Not playing 60% of the games is right at the top of the list ...

And he's an idiot. Why would he punch someone in the nuts when it's so easy to drop some knees in a tackle?

Fair point. Should have watched Jeff more ..

No it isnt. He was a the number one midfielder in an AFL team for a very long time.

It was Freo. He was a rich mans Priddis

In 2008 he was shit against Sydney, Port Adelaide the Western Bulldogs, Collingwood, Richmond and Geelong.

You want me to list the teams he was good against?

He had a bad patch...

2009 he had a dreadful patch, a terrible 3 match period which, if I recall correctly sparked talk off him needed a run in the WAFL against the Hawks, Melbourne and Fremantle.

He got injured v Melbourne and came off, he then missed the following week with said injury. He had a poor game v Hawthorn coming off a BOG v The Bullies the week before. He carried that poor form into the game v Freo.

So BOG, poor game (amid suggestions of injury), Poor game, Injury ..... He then came back and was amongst our best v Collingwood, then Carlton and then struggled with injury and was done for the season

You want to revisit the tapes go for it.

Don't need to. I remember the games

You're taking on a ****ing guru, just so you know.

Indeed. Pav the legend.

 

[Quinz]

Bell from 98'-00' produced better football than Kerr, even in his purple patch around 07.

Certainly for consistency, Bell accumulated possessions well for many years, and was a quality midfielder. Had a better overall career than Kerr.

But he was not at the level Kerr reached at his peak.