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Kevin Sheedy destroyed Essendon's list in 2007 and left it in tatters for the next coach
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I think we've done a great job in the last two drafts to make up any for the poor recruiting decisions Sheedy made in the past.
Will be an interesting year for the dons, as plenty of those players still have a fair bit to prove.
Laycock, Winderlich and Dyson have struggled through injury and other off field set backs, they have been around for a long time now and need to produce on field for 22 weeks.
Stanton, Ryder have shown they are quality
But the rest are pretty much unknown quantities at AFL level........every club has a similar list of unproven draftees that they hope/imagine/think will turn into guns.....just because ur a gun junior doesn't mean you will make it as a senior AFL player.
Nothing to panic about, but for the dons to improve quite a few in the list need to step up......the early 08 signs are good unfortunately!
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Laycock is 23 and is a ruckman. not many hit their straps pre 23. he already is looking like it will be a breakthrough year. best contested mark of all rucks in the comp and by a stretch (not counting Kosi as a ruck). Has had his first injury free preseason.
Winderlich nothing to prove after last year. Established in the 18 and was a vital cog in all their good wins last year.
Dyson = yes jury out, but with Knights giving him a role and game time he should make it.
Re: the others. Not many clubs (Carlton, Hawthorn excluded) have the riches that Essendon has in their youngsters. The pies could have a couple of gems if Dawes and Rusling turn out but that aside are decidely vanilla.
Essendon has the following all locked for a long time.
kpp - Ryder, Gumbleton, Pears
ruck - laycock
mids-stanton houli jetta
hardness - hislop
class/utility -myers
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One of the few times I've agreed with a Collingwood supporter, but I agree. It is to early to put players in your future stars list before they've got a few games under their belt. High draft picks don't always turn into stars.
Not sure that all of those have proven themselves yet
Pies similar would be
Kpp - T.Cloke, Reid, Rusling, Dawes, M.Brown
Ruck - Wood
Mids - H.Shaw, Pendles, Thomas, Clarke
Hardness - Stanley, McCarthy
Utility - H.O'Brien, Goldsack
the difference is that more of our players have already began to prove they are good senior players.
Plenty yet to be revealed bout the dons, 08 will be an interesting development year for them.
If you are going to have a go at us at least put up a valid and concise argument.
Kevin Sheedy and the club made mistakes from 2002-2005 and did not rejuvenate the list properly so we had a few down years.
We also have had issues with players like Rama and Rioli missing the best part of their careers through unforeseen injury. Two quality midfielders can turn any side into a good one including Richmond and Carlton.
Other players like Winderlich and Laycock have taken a little longer to come good mainly to due injury also.
Our recruiting and blooding of youngsters over the past 2 years has been pretty good and we look like we can become a good side again.
All we can do at the moment is pit our youngsters against the oppositions and hope we can show that we are better than them. We have done that so far and the signs are pretty good.
Kevin Sheedy and the club made mistakes from 2002-2005 and did not rejuvenate the list properly so we had a few down years.
We also have had issues with players like Rama and Rioli missing the best part of their careers through unforeseen injury. Two quality midfielders can turn any side into a good one including Richmond and Carlton.
Other players like Winderlich and Laycock have taken a little longer to come good mainly to due injury also.
Our recruiting and blooding of youngsters over the past 2 years has been pretty good and we look like we can become a good side again.
All we can do at the moment is pit our youngsters against the oppositions and hope we can show that we are better than them. We have done that so far and the signs are pretty good.
You can't exactly lock in those 4 either. I would be worried that a key aspect is reliant on the development of two unproven players in the clearance area. I can safely say that we have enough prospects in each area to be confident that we will not have any major holes in 2-3 years. For example in the clearances and hardness area we have Watson, Monfries, Slattery, Hocking, Lonergan and Hislop as long term prospects.
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That's a MASSIVE call right there. Ryder will be exceptionally good, not sure about Gumby and Jetta yet.
Wasn't locking em in as guns, just showing that all sides have similar unproven kids like the dons.
I also wouldn't lock in Reid, Rusling, Wood, Goldsack as blokes who will def make it either.
Gumbelton all depends on his body and when he stops growing.
If he can stop growing and get some footy under his belt he could be anything.
Jetta is going to be one of those players who on his day can and will tear an opposition a new arse, its just a case of getting him doing this week in week out.
Everybody can see that Sheedy did want to get one more premiership challenge. Getting players like Richard Cole, Ty Zantuck, Matthew Allen, Justin Murphy were hardly going to be players of the future or that we can build a club around.
Campo gave us some good service in a couple of games and probably had a had in developing some of the younger players with his experience.
But he also is responsible for drafting some of our young guns; Ryder, Gumbelton, Jetta, Houli etc.
Blind and Illiterate Freddy could tell that Walls penned the article. He's past it.
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If you are going to have a go at us at least put up a valid and concise argument.
Kevin Sheedy and the club made mistakes from 2002-2005 and did not rejuvenate the list properly so we had a few down years.
We also have had issues with players like Rama and Rioli missing the best part of their careers through unforeseen injury. Two quality midfielders can turn any side into a good one including Richmond and Carlton.
Other players like Winderlich and Laycock have taken a little longer to come good mainly to due injury also.
Our recruiting and blooding of youngsters over the past 2 years has been pretty good and we look like we can become a good side again.
All we can do at the moment is pit our youngsters against the oppositions and hope we can show that we are better than them. We have done that so far and the signs are pretty good.
i agree with you and most clubs have made mistakes, but in regards to Rioli, wow, that bloke could have been anything. I wouldn't say his injuries were unforeseen though, the bloke never bothered to get fit. Mind you, he could rip a game apart easy enough, but his body just couldn't sustain it. I used to love going to watch Rioli play
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Same here
You can lock in Reid Dopps, he will make it and might actually be a LOT better than many think.
i agree with you and most clubs have made mistakes, but in regards to Rioli, wow, that bloke could have been anything. I wouldn't say his injuries were unforeseen though, the bloke never bothered to get fit. Mind you, he could rip a game apart easy enough, but his body just couldn't sustain it. I used to love going to watch Rioli play
I put a fair bit of the blame on the club and Sheeds in not getting the best out of Rioli.
I think Sheedy was too easy on a few and wasn't strict enough and gave people games when it wasn't warranted.
The club should and could have done a lot more to get him fitter so he didn't have constant injury problems.
You just have to look at Knights attitude to training to see what a marked difference there is.
Yep, it's got Walls pathological hatred of Sheeds & anything Essendon, written all over it.
I am not sure who wrote it, but Mike Sheehan also for some reason had a strange fixation on Sheeds and Essendon. He could never wait to stick the boots in if something was going wrong, but only ever begrudgingly handed out compliments. I believe he had personal issues with Sheedy.
Might have been Walls as we all know he wasn't Sheedy's greatest fan, BUT apparently he's a massive fan of Matthew Knights and Ash Prescott from his coaching days and thinks the bombers will do quite well this year.
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if essendon do well this year the same critics who bag him now will say he made it easy for knights and should still be there.
If you look at sheeds overall performance i think he was a marvellous coach.
If you look at sheeds overall performance i think he was a marvellous coach.
I'm happy for him to keep growing as long as he likes, just quietly
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Possibly the same half wit who will talk up Matthew Knights as a developer of talent when all the blokes Sheedy drafted come on in the next three years.
Stanton, Monfries, Dempsey, Jetta, Ryder to name 5 who will all be top line players in the next 3 years.
That's without the development of Laycock, Winderlich, Gumbleton, Hislop, Davey, Houli, 'Waterboy' Reimers or Slattery.
Sheedy left the Essendon list in a better state than Pagan or Schwab left theirs.
I hate Essendon as much as the next Blues supporter but surely this thread is a joke?
Essendons has a plethora of young talent, and some older. Its is the middle aged 22-27 that lets them down. The NAB cup has shown how exciting and talented some of them can be.
Essendons has a plethora of young talent, and some older. Its is the middle aged 22-27 that lets them down. The NAB cup has shown how exciting and talented some of them can be.
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i am in exactly the same boat
cannot wait for the blues dons rivalry to really be on show in big games again
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