Knight's draft ratings.

[Burzum]

Very very lucky!

Was shocked to see him drop outside the top 40. Is a big signing and I'm prepaired to say that that kid is one of the picks of this draft. Will not break into the Collingwood side yet because the midfield is loaded now with the addition of Ball and Beams + Sidebottom comming through strongly last year, but I can say with confidence that Thomas will be a very good player and I could not be happier that he slipped! Explosive inside mid who can win his own ball and is a really great disposer of the ball on both sides.

What a load of shit.

 

[SS_Fury]

this thread is loaded with signatures you could bookmark for future reference

 

[richoatthedisco]

Getting Jolly at 14

You got Jolly in the trade, not the draft. Doesn't count.

 

[Vader]

Adelaide:
Rating: B+
Why: Talia is big time pickup and being available at 13 was a really nice pickup. James Craig was a real bargain. Although this draft gives Adelaide allot of extra key position depth for years to come, they don’t really have key position gaps, also was surprised not to see any small defenders or midfielders added , with McLeod, Goodwin and Edwards all nearing the end of their careers would really have expected to see some similar type players bought in. As well as this I can’t see many of these players being able to contribute right away, Adelaide’s premiership window is now and they should take their chance now while they still have it open before their players retire. Talia this coming season will be a handy backup key position defender and Craig might break into the ruck at some point in his 1st season but beyond that I can’t see anyone having a significant impact on this team right away. That said still a draft where they managed to get some very handy bigs in Talia and Craig, both of which were really good picks.

It's way too late now to be drafting the replacements for Macca, Goodwin & Edwards. They were drafted 2-3 years ago, you just haven't heard much about them yet - Sloane, Petrenko, Jacky and one or two others.

Our premiership window is just beginning to open, courtesy of the kids drafted since Neil Craig took over the reigns and the Gary Ayres reign of terror (and abysmal list management) came to an end. The kids drafted last night will be those helping to keep it open in 5-10 years time. We're going to have enough trouble finding positions for the youngsters we already have on our list, finding a ready-made player who will make an influence in 2010 was the least of our priorities.

The big question though is how we're going to find positions for all these big kids when they're fully developed. Bock & Rutten are only 26, going on 27. Our rucks are 23, going on 24. The old man of our forward line, Kurt Tippett, is just 22. Most of our near-term retirees are of the midfielder variety, so they won't be creating positions for these giants either. We already have McKernan, Davis & Walker busting down the door trying to get into the side - now we've added Talia, Gunston & Craig (Shaw seems more like an overgrown midfielder). How do we fit them all into the team?

 

[EagleMan87]

West Coast:
Rating: B
Why: Sheppard is a really nice pick and I think West Coast will be happy with him, definitely rate him over Jetta, just personally would have taken Butcher due to the key position hole up forward as opposed to going for another WA boy. Stevens is a really solid pickup and will offer immediate help in the midfield, slider who West Coast will be happy with. As for Weedon, not sure he was the right choice. With Aaron Black, Jake Carlisle, Callum Bartlett and Mitchell Duncan all available would have looked elsewhere for pick 22. Personally I’m disappointed that West Coast didn’t select atleast 1 key position prospect in this draft and with Hunter and Staker gone really thought that should have been a priority.

Good assessment of West Coast IMO.

 

[knightwheelrqr]

Oops.

I don't retract that statement at all. I would personally take Panos over Buckley. But with that said, everyone else overlooked Panos, including those with the need for him (which Collingwood don't with 5-6 KPFs).

Buckley is still not a selection I am faulting at all and I think he will be a great fit considering the losses of Cox and Clarke down back. Has an AFL ready body and might be a chance to break into the side this season which is why why Collingwood selected him over Panos I suggest.

 

[SS_Fury]

I don't retract that statement at all. I would personally take Panos over Buckley. But with that said, everyone else overlooked Panos, including those with the need for him (which Collingwood don't with 5-6 KPFs).

Buckley is still not a selection I am faulting at all and I think he will be a great fit considering the losses of Cox and Clarke down back. Has an AFL ready body and might be a chance to break into the side this season which is why why Collingwood selected him over Panos I suggest.

same applies for your lovechild in thomas

 

[budge11]

Was about to say the same thing

 

[BACCS]

It's way too late now to be drafting the replacements for Macca, Goodwin & Edwards. They were drafted 2-3 years ago, you just haven't heard much about them yet - Sloane, Petrenko, Jacky and one or two others.

Our premiership window is just beginning to open, courtesy of the kids drafted since Neil Craig took over the reigns and the Gary Ayres reign of terror (and abysmal list management) came to an end. The kids drafted last night will be those helping to keep it open in 5-10 years time. We're going to have enough trouble finding positions for the youngsters we already have on our list, finding a ready-made player who will make an influence in 2010 was the least of our priorities.

The big question though is how we're going to find positions for all these big kids when they're fully developed. Bock & Rutten are only 26, going on 27. Our rucks are 23, going on 24. The old man of our forward line, Kurt Tippett, is just 22. Most of our near-term retirees are of the midfielder variety, so they won't be creating positions for these giants either. We already have McKernan, Davis & Walker busting down the door trying to get into the side - now we've added Talia, Gunston & Craig (Shaw seems more like an overgrown midfielder). How do we fit them all into the team?

Exactly right Vader. If we wanted another inside midfielder, such as a Koby Stevens, we may've got him at 13 (however still think we would've gone Talia). What I mean is, we already have Sloane, Otten, Walker etc on our list, we are prepared already for the big 5 loss. I think we may've drafted too tall, but Gunston and Craig were always on our radar, got lucky with Talia slipping past Carlton, however Shaw was a suprise. Shaw does look to have a good left kick on him, and can see him like Vader said, being an outside midfielder in the future.

On the OP, apart from the obvious Collingwood bias (personally rate Sydney, North and Geelongs drafts better), a good effort.

 

[Wally Carter]

Collingwood A +

Hilarious.

 

[B-Rock]

Hahaha.

Look at the typical Collingwood who supporter thinks the whole world revolves around them.

 

[raskolnikov]

Humour Board

 

[Moo]

I would consider 2-3 ruckman on an AFL list as not being enough. Whether that meant a versatile guy like James Craig comes into calculations at 36, to me I would have considered that a better option. He has the versatility to play KPD and as a backup ruck..

Joel Houghton is 1cm shorter than Craig and has played 2nd ruck on a number of occassions at colts level.

You are classifying Sandi approaching 30 (a stretch), say we have no back up ruckman - when in fact we have Clarke and say we should of taken a KP with potential for back up ruck ...which I think we did.

Also as others have said if you can't rate your own team fairly, best not to do it at all.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Great thread, if your looking for analysis that goes as deep as which players were taken higher than in mock drafts, and which were taken lower than in mock drafts.

Why do people insist on these threads? Christian Howard theoretically could turn out to be the best player in the history of the AFL, but you've given the Dogs a D+ for drafting him...

 

[Underdog]

I would consider 2-3 ruckman on an AFL list as not being enough. Whether that meant a versatile guy like James Craig comes into calculations at 36, to me I would have considered that a better option. He has the versatility to play KPD and as a backup ruck. He is undersized but with Sandilands playing most of the minutes would be a nice backup. Great ruck technician and would have been my pick.

Why didn't you mention that as a fault on West Coast's behalf as well then?

We only have 2 ruckmen - Cox and Naitanui

Yet you mention our perceived lack of key position players. We have one of the top full backs in the league in Glass, his apprentice MacKenzie and the highly rated Mitchell Brown in defence. Up forward we have Kennedy who could conceivably be rated our best ever CHF very soon, the reliable workhorse Lynch and a number of developing kids.

But ultimately, West Coast are successful because they have an excellent midfield backed up by a reliable defence (92, 94, 06).

Now, how important are those KP players?

 

[swans4eva]

Your just going off who big footy rates...

Everyone thinks the bulldogs have made the biggest mistake in history by taking Christian Howard who no ones heard of... If you honestly think that the recruiting staff picked a random name and passed up Mcmillan-pittard because they thought Christian Howard's name was cooler then your kidding yourself. They are professionals, and they study this intensely.

 

[SirJimi05]

I don't retract that statement at all. I would personally take Panos over Buckley. But with that said, everyone else overlooked Panos, including those with the need for him (which Collingwood don't with 5-6 KPFs).

Buckley is still not a selection I am faulting at all and I think he will be a great fit considering the losses of Cox and Clarke down back. Has an AFL ready body and might be a chance to break into the side this season which is why why Collingwood selected him over Panos I suggest.

You said A+ is reserved for perfection - could not have done any better.

You then went on to say that Panos would have been a better selection for the Pies - would have been an improvement.

By your own theory the Pies could not have scored an A+.

This is what he was getting at.

Personally i would have the Pies ranked almost last of all 16 clubs tbh.

All you have taken into account when doing your rankings is the BigFooty mock drafts.

 

[Monkey King]

Carlton:
Rating: C+
Why: Kane Lucas is a gem and sliding to 13 for Carlton was a bargain. At draft camp really impressed and he should develop into a really handy addition. Marcus Davies is another really nice midfield product who I can see also being a really nice player in the future. Overall this draft really lacked key position players, Carlton at nearly all key position posts have holes and have done nothing to address the loss of Brendan Fevola which I would consider the most disappointing part of their draft.

Jetta @ 13... Lucas @ 12. Not a good start.

Then to say holes in nearly all KP... Henderson CHF; Bower CHB; Jamison FB; Waite FF. Perhaps a 20yo Austin improves as much as he did this year and helps out down back or forward. Not too bad looking forward, and with not a lot KPP prospects worthy at our picks, can't see how this factor drives us down to a C+

 

[CarnTheHawks!]

Getting Jolly at 14, Ball at 30, Buckley in the 80's and Josh Thomas in the 70's was an unbelievable draft for Collingwood.

If you are going to count Jolly at 14 then maybe we should review Hawthorn's draft day:

pick #9: Shaun Burgoyne
Pick #25: Josh Gibson
pick #39: Sam Grimely
pick #46: Ben Stratton
pick #56: Jordan Williams
pick #57: Rhan Hooper
pick #69: Taylor Duryea
pick #70: Mathew Suckling

Do we still get a D+?

 

[Underdog]

Then to say holes in nearly all KP... Henderson CHF; Bower CHB; Jamison FB; Waite FF. Perhaps a 20yo Austin improves as much as he did this year and helps out down back or forward. Not too bad looking forward, and with not a lot KPP prospects worthy at our picks, can't see how this factor drives us down to a C+

I'm not sure I necessarily rate your KPP's or the depth, but putting that aside.

There seems to be a train of thought that if KP's are your weaker point, then you must draft one. It doesn't matter if you already have 6 developing on your list, you need to add to it.

It simply doesn't make sense.

 

[Wally Carter]

If you are going to count Jolly at 14 then maybe we should review Hawthorn's draft day:

pick #9: Shaun Burgoyne
Pick #25: Josh Gibson
pick #39: Sam Grimely
pick #46: Ben Stratton
pick #56: Jordan Williams
pick #57: Rhan Hooper
pick #69: Taylor Duryea
pick #70: Mathew Suckling

Do we still get a D+?

B- would be a more accurate rating.

Stuff it, I'll go back over it and rate them properly.

 

[sr36]

Adelaide:
They also had the opportunity to select Vardy, who had slid, widely considered the best ruckman in this draft class. Grimley is more a developmental ruckman who I would have rated more as a late- rookie prospect.

I hate this sort of thing. You are saying that they should have selected Vardy because bigfooty considers him a better prospect. Obviously Hawthorn's recruiters consider Grimley a better prospect. Obviously the recruiters get some wrong, but I'd back them over bigfooty every day of the week.

 

[Wally Carter]

There, fixed it.

Adelaide:
Rating: B

Brisbane:
Rating: B -

Carlton:
Rating: C+

Collingwood:
Rating: B -

Essendon:
Rating: B+

Fremantle:
Rating: B+

Geelong:
Rating: B

Hawthorn:
Rating: B-

North Melbourne:
Rating: A

Melbourne:
Rating: A +

Port Adelaide:
Rating: B +

Richmond:
Rating: A -

St Kilda:
Rating: C

Sydney:
Rating: A

West Coast:
Rating: B

Western Bull Dogs:
Rating: C

 

[swans4eva]

Rate them in 10 years guys...

 

[swans4eva]

Jetta @ 13... Lucas @ 12. Not a good start.

Then to say holes in nearly all KP... Henderson CHF; Bower CHB; Jamison FB; Waite FF. Perhaps a 20yo Austin improves as much as he did this year and helps out down back or forward. Not too bad looking forward, and with not a lot KPP prospects worthy at our picks, can't see how this factor drives us down to a C+

+ Kreuzer to help out significantly down forward!