Even though you're taking the piss, during 2000 Carlton games were very much like that. Kouta would be taking goal saving marks deep in defense one second then on the end of a pass into the forward 50 the next.
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Kouta vs D Jarman
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Even though you're taking the piss, during 2000 Carlton games were very much like that. Kouta would be taking goal saving marks deep in defense one second then on the end of a pass into the forward 50 the next.
Read the thread topic people.
Consistency is irrelevant because that's not what the thread subject is about. The thread question asks:
It is quite a simple question. Where does it say the better player overall, or the more consistent player?
Then get out of this thread.
Consistency is irrelevant because that's not what the thread subject is about. The thread question asks:
It is quite a simple question. Where does it say the better player overall, or the more consistent player?
Then get out of this thread.
Yes, Rear-Admiral.
Cling to your hope that Kouta was so good, at one point in time, because for the majority of his career, he hasn't been.
Yes, Rear-Admiral.
Cling to your hope that Kouta was so good, at one point in time, because for the majority of his career, he hasn't been.
*points at thread topic*
Try to add something constructive next time. If you want to discuss Kouta's career or whether or not he was good for the majority, by all means, create a thread and I'll be happy to discuss it with you.
But you can't doubt that at his peak, he was simply awesome.
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exactly so, i mean at their peaks.
lets look at this closely now shall we.
jarman played in what 1989, no okay 1990 finals, his first grand final was what against west coast in 1991.
didnt fare to well against guy mckenna now did he, the following year not much against the eagles, again in 1993 not much on offer against the crows.
what about 1994, not much on offer against the kangas in the final that went in to time on and saw the kangas home by 23 points.
carey demolished the hawks.
oh thats right he had to change clubs and have the norm smith medallist for 2 successive years feed him the ball down the goal square.
Jarman in fact never was the player of the finals series, unlike his counterpart the kouts.
okay kouta has r*ped the club since his injury, yet if we are talking PEAK, well he first played finals in 1993, as a 20 year old was still learning the game as he was a preferred athlete, the following season had made his name know in the football world.
in 1995 finals series, the first up final against the lions, they were pushing and pushing hard, with about 7 minutes to go kouta went forward and within 4 minutes had notched up 3 goals to ice the game.
the following game against north he racked up 10 marks, 2 goals and 35 possessions.
and the grand final was no gimmick, 33 possessions and 9 marks was the best on ground, williams was awarded thr norm smith as a gesture of good faith for it was his 32nd birthday.
finally the super team that essendon were in 1999 and 2000, well that prelim final had essendon as red hot favourite as any team could ever possibly be.
KOUTA singlehandedly defeated the dons in what was one of the greatest and impossible upsets ever.
now he was a pearler, when it mattered, 10 marks in a final term of a prelim, saved us some beauties.
jarman on the other hand had 3 premiership teams to contend with, kouta only the one.
so in the end
KOUTA EASILY AND THEY ALL KNOW IT
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YEAH AND MACADAM NEVER WON PRELIM FINALS AND GRAND FINALS.
Then create a thread on it, this one is comparing Jarman and Kouta at their peaks.
No. How about that?
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kouta had clearly been the better player throughout the finals series that year, it was safe to say that malcolm blight had dubbed him as the player of the 21st century.
i honestly as a number of people did, thought kouta had his name and hand on that norm smith.
Then don't bring it up here where it has nothing to do with the topic, at all.
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I would still pick D Jarman ahead of Kouta at his peak.
Kouta was awesome that year, but D Jarman was a consistently outstanding match winner who could turn a game on his own boot. I think he was also one of the best kicks I have seen.
Kouta was awesome that year, but D Jarman was a consistently outstanding match winner who could turn a game on his own boot. I think he was also one of the best kicks I have seen.
Who died and made you Grand Admiral?
We're talking about Kouta, a subject close to your heart obviously, which is why your panties are in a bunch, and comparing him to a totally different player "at his peak." I disagree with you,
I offer a continuation of the topic, again comparing Kouta to another player within the same thread, for the benefit of clarity, who, at his peak, has results that are very good - record holding, in fact.
I think Jarman at his peak was a better footballer. Kouta always a better athlete, but Jarman a much better footballer on his day.
Jason Dunstall has said that ON HIS DAY, Jarman was the best footballer he ever played with. Did you know that?
Let's put that into context. Dunstall played with Leigh Matthews. Good enough for you?
Kouta - One of the most overrated players in history, based solely on a few games where, admittedly, he played very well - hence the comparison to Adrian McAdam. Got all that?
You're here to push an agenda regarding Kouta, without actually addressing the thread topic. All you offer is irrelevant points that add little, if nothing at all, to the actual topic.
I'm saying it how it is. Your points are irrelevant and have nothing to do with this thread - that is cold hard fact and as rational as you'll get. If I don't like what you're typing, I'll respond in kind.
Fair enough, I'm not arguing against this.
Relevance?
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Ahh I love heated discussions. Opinions seem pretty divided here, but just to throw in my 2 cents, I think AT THEIR PEAK Kouta edges D Jarman. He was the prototype that Chad Cornes based himself on today, big, strong, fast, agile, can run all day, take big marks, kick goals, save goals and play any position bar the ruck. He had it all, albeit for 1 season.
If I have to explain that to you, then I am sorry,
Hey Mate it says at there peak AT THERE PEAK Kouta won the players medal that year the medal that count not the brownlow witch is a joke just like any one who says jarman is half the player Kouta was.Ask Leigh Mathews who the greatest player he has ever seen and also ask him who he would pick first second and third.That's right mate its Kouta and that because he is on of the true greats not some fell who is great like Jarman but one who is truly great.
If I have to explain that to you, then I am sorry, I have vastly overestimated your intelligence, and I didn't think you had to be a genius to grasp it. Put it that way.
No.
It's because people like you can't read the damn thread topic in the first place. Whether you think he's overrated or not has no bearing on this thread, it doesn't matter.
You are not smart are ya pal his best season by far was 2000 when he did his knee and then twice after that that is why the last few years has not been all that flash.
So, hang on. You seriously cannot see the relevance of comparing one player to another who was brilliant over a short period, in a thread comparing one of the aforementioned players to yet another, given that the discussion is based on 'their peak'?
Short period are you kidding ? he was struck down just as he reached the top of his game but even so after 3 knees he was still one of the best mid's in the game you are talking rubbish now.
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