Kouta vs D Jarman

[RoK]

Kernahan better than Darren Jarman thats funny

Kernahan, whos probably the most overrated footballer of the last 20 years, was a good player, but not up there with Jarman

Mate he is not overated at all played well on the big games stood for the team great Captian he is a god .Jarman is a player who played and did well and thats it really great yes but one of the all time greats no he is no Hird or Kernahan.

 

[mrbehemoth]

Incidentally, why is this comparison being made? I didn't think Kouta and Jarman were such similar type players that the mind automatically drifts to comparisons.

 

[Nikita Blue]

Did Jarman ever win the MVP?

 

[Mad Dog]

Well Tony Shaw was a better player than both of them.......in fact I would suggest that at his peak Tony Shaw is the greatest player to play the game.

Who can forget his 50 disposals against the Brisbane Bears in 1991 ?????.

Given that neither Jarman nor Kouta ever got 50 possessions.......I would say that at his peak - Tony Shaw was better than both of them....







peak shmeak........



Jarman > Kouta

 

[Mcchawk]

good come back i guess you win

I always do

 

[peter1979]

Kernahan better than Darren Jarman thats funny

Kernahan, whos probably the most overrated footballer of the last 20 years, was a good player, but not up there with Jarman

no way
of course not
kernahan 738 goals
jarman 360 plus goals
kernahan longest serving captain ever afl record
jarman how many?
kernahan captained 2 premierships
jarman 0 captaining of premierships
kernahan 4 best and fairest awards
jarman 1 or 2 at best ( was in the saturday herald sun )
kernahan 4th for the record in goals kicked for finals (65) only jack titus, dunstall, matthews and coventry kicked more
jarman less then 30
kernahans best goal effort for a grand final 7
jarman 6
ones in a flag and the others a runner up.
kernahan leading goalkicker 11 times
jarman maybe one.
kernahan is the only player in history, to be named captain, win the CLUBS goalkicking award, a best and fairest and captain the team to a premiership all in his first season as captain.
not jarman, even carey, matthews or hird have done so.
carey was captain for 4 years when he achieved that feat, and so to was tredrea.
so its laughable to even say jarman comes close to kernahan.
By the way kernahan captained glenelg to back to back flags, befoe he came to the blues.
so dont go making stupid comments in future.

 

[Mcchawk]

no way
of course not
kernahan 738 goals
jarman 360 plus goals
kernahan longest serving captain ever afl record
jarman how many?
kernahan captained 2 premierships
jarman 0 captaining of premierships
kernahan 4 best and fairest awards
jarman 1 or 2 at best ( was in the saturday herald sun )
kernahan 4th for the record in goals kicked for finals (65) only jack titus, dunstall, matthews and coventry kicked more
jarman less then 30
kernahans best goal effort for a grand final 7
jarman 6
ones in a flag and the others a runner up.
kernahan leading goalkicker 11 times
jarman maybe one.
kernahan is the only player in history, to be named captain, win the CLUBS goalkicking award, a best and fairest and captain the team to a premiership all in his first season as captain.
not jarman, even carey, matthews or hird have done so.
carey was captain for 4 years when he achieved that feat, and so to was tredrea.
so its laughable to even say jarman comes close to kernahan.
By the way kernahan captained glenelg to back to back flags, befoe he came to the blues.
so dont go making stupid comments in future.

Kernahan was hack compared to Jarman. How many GF's did stickless win off his own boot again?

 

[peter1979]

Kernahan was hack compared to Jarman. How many GF's did stickless win off his own boot again?

2, 1987 and 1995 was a game where he booted 5.
jarman was the hack, remembering that kernahans goal in the final term of 1987 grand final was the one that opened the flood gates.
kernahan has a BETTER RECORD FOR GOALS IN GRAND FINALS.
Is the best captain ever.
how many things can u compare in terms of achievements.
i provided facts, not opinions, unlike ur cheap words and opinions.
kernahan is in the hall of fame.
and like i said won two grand finals literally off his own boot in the sanfl, for glenelg in 84 and 85.
A born leader

 

[bomberrob]

what a stupid post kouta is an overrated hack had 1 good year and people are still cuming in there pants about that,jarman clearly better

 

[peter1979]

what a stupid post kouta is an overrated hack had 1 good year and people are still cuming in there pants about that,jarman clearly better

ur right, but the thread is discussing who was better at their peak.
and as u saw and heard in that prelim final kouta was unstoppable in his prime.
jarman was stoppable, very stoppable.
overall career wise jarman easily.

 

[bLuEbOy1984]

Koutaman at full flight, was unstoppable

 

[Smell The Glove]

This thread is hilarious. I mean, everyone already knows that Adelaide and Hawthorn supporters are hicks, but this takes the cake. Jarman better than Kernahan? LOL, thats gold. If ever there was two players so far apart in terms of class and ability, its those two.
Kernahan absolutely shites over Jarman, who was about as overrated as it gets, and a w***er to boot.

 

[kingyubbo]

As a Crows supporter, Kouta before he got his million dollar salary and his injuries.

 

[XXX KINGS]

People suggesting Kouta had one good year are idiots and clearly have no idea about football.

In 1995 Kouta was an absolute gun and was rewarded with All-Australian selection for his efforts. As has also been said he was just unstopable in that year's final series and came very close to taking out te Norm Smith medal that year.

In 1996 Kouta was far from ordinary and in one game against West Coast at Princes Park took something like 18 marks (many contested) which in 1996 was totally unheard of for a midfielder. In a game we won by only one point he was the difference that day.

In 1997 to 1998 Kouta had his only two ordinary seasons which tied in with his dad's illness and subsequent passing. He still managed to be the clubs leading goal scorer in 1997 which gives evidence to just how versatile he was.

In 1999 - 2000 we saw the best of Kouta, he was simply unstoppable in this period. His 1999 culminated with what was the best individual performance I have ever seen in the preliminary final against Essendon. The guy was an absolute freak! In 2000 nobody could beat him, he was just that good. He was simply everywhere. One second he'd be in the backline thwarting an opposition forward thrust the next he'd be in the forward line taking one handed contested marks and then nailing the goal. The knee injury he suffered that year is absolutely devestating, there is no doubt in my mind that the brownlow would have been his. Ever since this injury he has had to compromise the way he plays, he lost the killer leap and explosiveness that made him so damn good.

In 2001 he came back and won our best and fairest in a season we made the finals which is no mean feat when he was competing agains the likes of Ratten and Camporeale who were also at their peak. The second knee injury he suffered in the semi final that year put to bed any hope of him returning to his 2000 dominance.

In the season's after this he re-modeled his game into one which focussed on hard ball gets and clearance work at the stoppages and he proved to be quite handy in this regard too seeing that he won our 2005 best and fairest which whilst not worth much in comparsion to an MVP in 2000 or a B & F in a season we made finals still says that he was far from a dud.

I have no interest in weighing into the whether Kouta was better than Jarman at their respective peaks as I never had the opportunity to see Jarman play for Hawthorn. What I will say, however, is that the people who in this thread are trying to downplay how good Kouta was have absolutely no idea about football.

 

[XXX KINGS]

what a stupid post kouta is an overrated hack had 1 good year and people are still cuming in there pants about that,jarman clearly better

You are stupid.

 

[CrowHop]

Jarman had more skill. Kouta was a better athlete.

Ridiculous comment. Jars has stayed in fantastic shape since his retirement.

 

[jarmanagic]

no way
of course not
kernahan 738 goals
jarman 360 plus goals
kernahan longest serving captain ever afl record
jarman how many?
kernahan captained 2 premierships
jarman 0 captaining of premierships
kernahan 4 best and fairest awards
jarman 1 or 2 at best ( was in the saturday herald sun )
kernahan 4th for the record in goals kicked for finals (65) only jack titus, dunstall, matthews and coventry kicked more
jarman less then 30
kernahans best goal effort for a grand final 7
jarman 6
ones in a flag and the others a runner up.
kernahan leading goalkicker 11 times
jarman maybe one.
kernahan is the only player in history, to be named captain, win the CLUBS goalkicking award, a best and fairest and captain the team to a premiership all in his first season as captain.
not jarman, even carey, matthews or hird have done so.
carey was captain for 4 years when he achieved that feat, and so to was tredrea.
so its laughable to even say jarman comes close to kernahan.
By the way kernahan captained glenelg to back to back flags, befoe he came to the blues.
so dont go making stupid comments in future.

If you are going to get so angry and make such strong statements, check your facts

Kerna never kicked more than 5 in a Grand Final
Peter Carey captained Glenelg to those flags, not Kerna
Jarman was 3 times leading goalkicker at Adelaide
The goals comparison entirely unfair for a key forward vs midfielder/forward

By the way I think Kernahan is the best SA footballer since Blight, but Jarmans greatness can never be forgotten. No one (maybe Matera?) has had such a big individual wining impact in a Grand Final in living memory

By the way, depends on where you rate Kouta but I really think many Carlton fans over rate him. His best was superb (point of this thread) but as an all time champion, no as he only had about 3-4 really good years. Knee injury cut his great football short. Guys like Roo/Hird/Buckley/Harvey/Voss/Carey/Mcleod/Kernahan all have had 8-10 years of great footy, they are in a different league to Kouta

 

[davey_magik]

If you are going to get so angry and make such strong statements, check your facts

Kerna never kicked more than 5 in a Grand Final
Peter Carey captained Glenelg to those flags, not Kerna
Jarman was 3 times leading goalkicker at Adelaide
The goals comparison entirely unfair for a key forward vs midfielder/forward

By the way I think Kernahan is the best SA footballer since Blight, but Jarmans greatness can never be forgotten. No one (maybe Matera?) has had such a big individual wining impact in a Grand Final in living memory

By the way, depends on where you rate Kouta but I really think many Carlton fans over rate him. His best was superb (point of this thread) but as an all time champion, no as he only had about 3-4 really good years. Knee injury cut his great football short. Guys like Roo/Hird/Buckley/Harvey/Voss/Carey/Mcleod/Kernahan all have had 8-10 years of great footy, they are in a different league to Kouta

I think Jarman was better, but didn't Kernahan kick 7 in the 1993 GF (His team got pantsed but still a great effort)?

 

[Lajon]

Kouta's best is the best I've seen from a player (his best only lasted half a season mind you).

Jarman on the other hand is one of the greats of the game and will go down in history as the better player overall, in this Carlton supporter's opinion.

 

[Smell The Glove]

Ridiculous comment. Jars has stayed in fantastic shape since his retirement.

Jarman or Jabba?

 

[Super Goalie]

This thread is hilarious. I mean, everyone already knows that Adelaide and Hawthorn supporters are hicks, but this takes the cake. Jarman better than Kernahan? LOL, thats gold. If ever there was two players so far apart in terms of class and ability, its those two.
Kernahan absolutely shites over Jarman, who was about as overrated as it gets, and a w***er to boot.

Kernahan was good, definately no hack but very overrated and no D Jarman.

If I was picking a team, I'd choose Carey 1st, Jarman 2nd. Kouta might squeeze in as an emergency, Kernahan would be back playing for Glenelg reserves.

 

[pjcrows]

Jarman's peak was 2 consecutive Grand Finals where he literally won the games off his own boot...

Kouta's peak was just that - his own boots - when he wore a rival companies boots for a reported half-million greens.

 

[The Mongrel Punt]

This thread is hilarious. I mean, everyone already knows that Adelaide and Hawthorn supporters are hicks, but this takes the cake.

Hey ma, that done there Carlton peoples are fightin it out for the wooden butt scraper again.

Jarman's peak was 2 consecutive Grand Finals where he literally won the games off his own boot...

Let's not forget him breaking the hearts of Dogs' fans as well, during the finals. Exquisite last quarter performance, that - one to rival Kouta's much talked about performance against Essendon.

 

[pjcrows]

Hey ma, that done there Carlton peoples are fightin it out for the wooden butt scraper again

Pay that.

 

[Crow-mo]

the peak of jarman's career was in 1992. he took a courageous mark across half back, waddled past three opposition players into the centre square, then threaded the perfect 40m long, 2m high pass into the outstretched hands of dunstall, who marked the ball cleanly without even moving or looking. it is officially the best kick ever in the history of vfl/afl football.

kouta's peak was ok, but not quite as good as that instant of football, which was perfect.

in other words, how exactly do you define "peak"? is it one season, one sequence of 5 games, one match, one quarter, one play? everyone keeps talking about kouta in 2000 as being unstoppable, but as I recall, it was really only for 5-6 games towards the end of the season that he tore up. didn't set the world on fire for the first half of the year. didn't win many brownlow votes and certainly didn't win the medal. so his peak was either the whole year, which added up to inconsistent football, or it was a few games towards the end. or was it one game in particular.

it's hard to distinguish the burning bright spot of jarman's career, because every match his disposal was peerless and his footy smarts were shrewd. I saw less of him after he went to the crows, but from what I saw of him at the hawks he was extrordinary. from memory, he kicked 8 goals against essendon in 1992, and dunstall had to leave the ground with a bruised chest from all the times DJ smashed it with the ball. that is one highlight for me. as far as peak games go, that was pretty decent.

it seems to me like the question was engineered in a way that would make kouta out to be the better player. the "peak" clause is clearly referring to that hotstreak of 2000, which was obviously very good, and it may comfort carlton fans to point at that and say kouta has been a great player, but the real truth of the matter is that kouta is someone who never lived up to the hype...

that's an excellent post.

seems that we recognise Kouta's peak more easily because of the huge variability of his career.