Recommitted Kysaiah Pickett [Re-Signed till 2027]

[danster168]

Freo traded an additional 2nd. Melbourne got back a 2nd and 3rd.

The point being, Melbourne aren’t hard done by more than any other club.

the value of a trade is almost always measured by how early the first round pick is, not by the trash 2nd and 3rd round picks. A late first round pick isn't a very good pick. That's why Melbourne offered 3 late first rounders to get Essendons pick 5 in last years draft and it was still refused.

And nah, I do think we have been hard done by. Unless you name me any other club that has lost 2 first rounders in 12 months for under trade value at the age of 21. I really don't think it's happened before.

Anyway back on Pickett, we'll probably get a first rounder and some loose change and it'll kick start a mini rebuild for us unless we can trade in a big fish with the money that we put aside for Pickett, probably 750k.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

the value of a trade is almost always measured by how early the first round pick is, not by the trash 2nd and 3rd round picks. A late first round pick isn't a very good pick. That's why Melbourne offered 3 late first rounders to get Essendons pick 5 in last years draft and it was still refused.

And nah, I do think we have been hard done by. Unless you name me any other club that has lost 2 first rounders in 12 months for under trade value at the age of 21. I really don't think it's happened before.

Anyway back on Pickett, we'll probably get a first rounder and some loose change and it'll kick start a mini rebuild for us unless we can trade in a big fish with the money that we put aside for Pickett, probably 750k.

It wasn’t a late first rounder. It landed you Jefferson. Pick 10 in 2017 was Lochie O’brien. Look a little deeper.

 

[danster168]

It wasn’t a late first rounder. It landed you Jefferson. Pick 10 in 2017 was Lochie O’brien. Look a little deeper.

Jefferson was pick 15 mate. That's a late first rounder is it not?

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

North fans spent weeks and weeks and weeks posting delusional stuff like this and then at the end of the day we kept all the players we wanted to keep and got JHF with the draft picks we already had. And JHF was contracted, so North had more bargaining power than Melbourne would have if Pickett requests a trade here.

The only way Georgiades leaves is if Georgiades asks to leave. He won't be forced out to make a Pickett trade work.

True, and I probably lowballed his value to be fair, but in the event he does leave/want to return to WA, it does open the door open for a Kozi trade to Port Adelaide easier.

In an ideal world (from your perspective), you would re-sign Georgiades and trade for Pickett, definitely going to take some creative accounting and trading from your front office, I certainly believe you have the cap space to afford both

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

As a supporter and member of a team that was on the receiving ends of what was one of the greatest beltings in grand final history, is it possible that Melbourne received a leg up AND turned it around themselves?

At some stage most clubs (specifically the smaller clubs) have received some form of assistance, we can't get too crabby about them taking advantage of it, but it also shouldn't take away from what they've achieved, it's a great part of the history of the competition.

I hope Pickett re-signs, he's exciting, talented and clearly brings supporters through the gates which is the most important part, regardless of who you support.

Melbourne got Pickett not by tanking but by doing a clever future pick swap with North Melbourne at the time

And even then, many draft 'experts' were baffled by the Dees picking up Kozi at pick 13 (many didn't have him on their Phantom first round draft)

Luke Jackson was also considered a big risk/gamble by the Dees at the time.

Anyhow I agree with your comment that their flag was not built on handouts but by their own hard work and astute drafting and trading.

 

[philthy05]

did you even read my post. 4 out 22 is not a bunch. Your team has 7 of your 22 from trades. Plus we paid up for ours. Yet potentially will be losing our best 2 youngsters for well unders.

I’m not the one whinging about losing players to trades.

 

[danster168]

I’m not the one whinging about losing players to trades.

When the last time you lost 2 first rounders only 21 years old within a 12 month period?

if we lost Pickett, i'm sure most dees fans would not be thrilled with losing them both unluckily to 2 clubs that didn't have fair picks to offer. At this stage it's speculation but I'd say if he isn't signed up before the byes then he's gone. I'd rather him go to SA than WA.

 

[RonnieRaven]

When the last time you lost 2 first rounders only 21 years old within a 12 month period?

if we lost Pickett, i'm sure most dees fans would not be thrilled with losing them both unluckily to 2 clubs that didn't have fair picks to offer. At this stage it's speculation but I'd say if he isn't signed up before the byes then he's gone. I'd rather him go to SA than WA.

not 21 not all first rounders but the carnage is far worst.
(2018)losing 25 yr old Neale dual(2016) and reigning(2018)bnf winner.
Who went on to win 3bnf 3AA and a Brownlow was a big hit.
The next year(2019)we lost Brad hill our 2017 bnf winer. And Ed Langdon premiership player
The year after(2020) the pick 6 recruit from 3 years earlier walked out the door.
The year after(2021) our pick 5 from 2017 walked out the door.
The year after(2022) our pick 8 from 2016 left, Also our leading goal kicker.
And we don’t even have a flag to comfort us.
Danster maybe you should open the window

 

[Wargreymon90]

Jackson’s upside is way overhyped. I think we’ll look back in the trade and say Melbourne came out on top.

 

[Lach72]

Looking forward to 8 months of Danster’s verbal diarrhoea on how Pickett is greater than Leigh Matthews and Jeff Farmer

Jeff Farmer

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47

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175cm

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78kg

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Fwd

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Last 5

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11.6

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8.0

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3.6

3star

M

2.9

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

6.0

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

1.6

2star

M

1.8

2star

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0.6

3star

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0.2

3star

’s love child and worth 13 first round draft picks

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

Jackson’s upside is way overhyped. I think we’ll look back in the trade and say Melbourne came out on top.

If he plays a significant part in Freo's first premiership (and I think he will at some point), all Dockers fans will put their hand and say the trade was worth it from their end.

I thought Geelong may have paid too much with giving up three first round picks for Jeremy Cameron, boy was i wrong.

If you are in the Flag Window (which Geelong was/is and Freo about to enter theirs I suspect) you should seize the day and not be afraid to pony up the draft picks and assets in order to bring in the player or players that can get you over the hump.

Loving Freo's ambition tbh, they are going all in for their first flag.

 

[danster168]

Jackson’s upside is way overhyped. I think we’ll look back in the trade and say Melbourne came out on top.

So youre banking on Jefferson to be a really good AFL player? I agree that Jackson isn't a forward. He is a ruck or a full time inside midfield. That flexibility is unmatched by many players in the AFL. Goodwin didn't use him right up forward.

 

[Wargreymon90]

So youre banking on Jefferson to be a really good AFL player?

Sure why not. But I don’t think it’s right to look at who was drafted. Can only look at the picks. Two first and a second is a lot for a second ruck.

 

[danster168]

Looking forward to 8 months of Danster’s verbal diarrhoea on how Pickett is greater than Leigh Matthews and Jeff Farmer’s love child and worth 13 first round draft picks

A bit of hyperbole by you. Izak Rankine is all that I ask for as fair trade value. And considering Pickett has done much more than him then I think that's fair, even being out of contract.

 

[danster168]

Sure why not. But I don’t think it’s right to look at who was drafted. Can only look at the picks. Two first and a second is a lot for a second ruck.

I hope you're right. I hope he offers nothing to freo as hogan did. Jackson is much more than a 2nd ruck though. That's why he was in hot demand and offered about 900k a season. He was a 2nd ruck behind Gawn as would every other ruckman in the league be if they were playing next to Gawn. I think he'll be Freo's solo ruck in not too long or be a permanent inside mid.

Anyway, if Pickett goes, that would give us 2 first rounders and 2 future 1's to deal with and I reckon we'd make a play for Harley Reid or another player in the top 5. We offered 3 first rounders for Bailey Humphrey so we're not shy when it comes to trades.

 

[danster168]

not 21 not all first rounders but the carnage is far worst.
(2018)losing 25 yr old Neale dual(2016) and reigning(2018)bnf winner.
Who went on to win 3bnf 3AA and a Brownlow was a big hit.
The next year(2019)we lost Brad hill our 2017 bnf winer. And Ed Langdon premiership player
The year after(2020) the pick 6 recruit from 3 years earlier walked out the door.
The year after(2021) our pick 5 from 2017 walked out the door.
The year after(2022) our pick 8 from 2016 left, Also our leading goal kicker.
And we don’t even have a flag to comfort us.
Danster maybe you should open the window

Yeah fair call. Cerra was a big one because of the age. And Neale also. Window is open I don't know if the carnage is worse as I think Jackson and Pickett will be better than all of those players except for Neale.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Yeah fair call. Cerra was a big one because of the age. And Neale also. Window is open I don't know if the carnage is worse as I think Jackson and Pickett will be better than all of those players except for Neale.

We lost Weller in 2017 too.
Fortunately we used our compensation well from these departures to give us brayshaw serong and amiss so it more delayed the rebuild rather than destroy it.
If Pickett leaves for a couple later first rounders you will have heaps of capital to bundle up and attack the pointy end of the draft.
Every club has a worth of their players but their sell price is generally set by the buyers capital.
We’ve been fortunate that the suns and blues had it.
If suns and blues first was pick 7 and 9 that’s what we would of got.
If we had a top 5 pick last year you would have got it for Jackson.
Can you put in a good word for freo to Pickett.
Perfect age style to come in to freos fwd line.
Not all players are chasing dollars like Brad hill did and feel if Pickett decides to leave it will be because he wants to , not to fill his bank account.
Even though he might be worth 750k I think if he truely wants to go somewhere he would take 600k.
You only have to look at Geelong to see this thinking.

 

[danster168]

We lost Weller in 2017 too.
Fortunately we used our compensation well from these departures to give us brayshaw serong and amiss so it more delayed the rebuild rather than destroy it.
If Pickett leaves for a couple later first rounders you will have heaps of capital to bundle up and attack the pointy end of the draft.
Every club has a worth of their players but their sell price is generally set by the buyers capital.
We’ve been fortunate that the suns and blues had it.
If suns and blues first was pick 7 and 9 that’s what we would of got.
If we had a top 5 pick last year you would have got it for Jackson.
Can you put in a good word for freo to Pickett.
Perfect age style to come in to freos fwd line.
Not all players are chasing dollars like Brad hill did and feel if Pickett decides to leave it will be because he wants to , not to fill his bank account.
Even though he might be worth 750k I think if he truely wants to go somewhere he would take 600k.
You only have to look at Geelong to see this thinking.

Yeah pick 2 for Weller was nuts. I just think that late first rounders aren't that great, or at least greatly overrated. All the elite talent is gone by the top 10. Of course there will be exceptions. That's why Melbourne offered 3 late first rounders for Essendon's pick 6. And also why Essendon rejected it. Because both clubs understand that late first rounders give you no access to elite talent. The elite talent comes from the pointy end of the draft.

If Pickett left, I wouldn't be as dirty on him as Jackson. Jackson didn't even thank the club publicly on his way out the door and he had a trash 2022 season and did nothing other than lower his trade value and help us on our way to a straight set finals exit.

Either way I'm resigned to losing Pickett and not getting fair compensation, much like Jackson. We just have to hope that we somehow get lucky on speculative late first rounders.

Lol, well Pickett is close with Luke Jackson so fair chance he'd be keen to join him at Freo but I'm sure the trading rship is somewhat burnt between Melb and Freo after last seasons trade period. Maybe not burnt but it wouldn't be a good one that's for sure. Tim Lamb was not happy with the way Freo handled their business.

I look at freo's list and I don't see any players that we'd even be keen on as sweeteners. Maybe Switzkowski but geez, what are we talking about here. Which fringe players do you even have to sweeten any deal that doesn't make the dees recruiting team walk out the door?

 

[rye]

Yeah pick 2 for Weller was nuts. I just think that late first rounders aren't that great, or at least greatly overrated. All the elite talent is gone by the top 10. Of course there will be exceptions. That's why Melbourne offered 3 late first rounders for Essendon's pick 6. And also why Essendon rejected it. Because both clubs understand that late first rounders give you no access to elite talent. The elite talent comes from the pointy end of the draft.

remind us where pickett got drafted at dan?

 

[danster168]

remind us where pickett got drafted at dan?

Pick 12:

Cyril Rioli (2007)
Lewis Johnston (2008)
Kane Lucas (2009)
Lukas Cook (2010)
Sam Docherty (2011)
Kristian Jaksch (2012)
Ben Lennon (2013)
Corey Ellis (2014)
Charlie Curnow (2015)
Jy Simpkin (2016)
Darcy Fogarty (2017)
Zac Butters (2018)
Pickett (2019)
Tanner Bruhn (2020)

The players in bold offered nothing at afl level. That's 6 players. 6 out of the 14 years of drafted players = 43% chance of getting a spud at pick 12. The jury is out on Tanner Bruhn and Fogerty so that's as likely to go as high as 8 out of 14 (57%). Pick 12 is still a highly speculative pick.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Yeah pick 2 for Weller was nuts. I just think that late first rounders aren't that great, or at least greatly overrated. All the elite talent is gone by the top 10. Of course there will be exceptions. That's why Melbourne offered 3 late first rounders for Essendon's pick 6. And also why Essendon rejected it. Because both clubs understand that late first rounders give you no access to elite talent. The elite talent comes from the pointy end of the draft.

If Pickett left, I wouldn't be as dirty on him as Jackson. Jackson didn't even thank the club publicly on his way out the door and he had a trash 2022 season and did nothing other than lower his trade value and help us on our way to a straight set finals exit.

Either way I'm resigned to losing Pickett and not getting fair compensation, much like Jackson. We just have to hope that we somehow get lucky on speculative late first rounders.

Lol, well Pickett is close with Luke Jackson so fair chance he'd be keen to join him at Freo but I'm sure the trading rship is somewhat burnt between Melb and Freo after last seasons trade period. Maybe not burnt but it wouldn't be a good one that's for sure. Tim Lamb was not happy with the way Freo handled their business.

I look at freo's list and I don't see any players that we'd even be keen on as sweeteners. Maybe Switzkowski but geez, what are we talking about here. Which fringe players do you even have to sweeten any deal that doesn't make the dees recruiting team walk out the door?

I think pick 6 for hogan and Langdon for a second rder were clear wins for dees, can’t win them all.
At least Jackson was on minimum chips and helped bring you a flag.
How do you think it feels when you move heaven and earth to get hill hogan lobb pay them very well then walk out the door with barely a thanks and no flags 3 years later.
Like I said earlier top 10 picks maybe a better chance but I’ve see more fail in our history.
Young serong brayshaw amiss and hill are our only successes since 1999 and we’ve had 11 top ten picks

 

[rye]

Pick 12:

Cyril Rioli (2007)
Lewis Johnston (2008)
Kane Lucas (2009)
Lukas Cook (2010)
Sam Docherty (2011)
Kristian Jaksch (2012)
Ben Lennon (2013)
Corey Ellis (2014)
Charlie Curnow (2015)
Jy Simpkin (2016)
Darcy Fogarty (2017)
Zac Butters (2018)
Pickett (2019)
Tanner Bruhn (2020)

The players in bold offered nothing at afl level. That's 6 players. 6 out of the 14 years of drafted players = 43% chance of getting a spud at pick 12. The jury is out on Tanner Bruhn and Fogerty so that's as likely to go as high as 8 out of 14 (57%). Pick 12 is still a highly speculative pick.

lots of great players here and over a 50% hit rate is pretty good for any draft pick

point being - not all of the elite talent is gone within the top 10 and saying otherwise is just hyperbole

 

[danster168]

I think pick 6 for hogan and Langdon for a second rder were clear wins for dees, can’t win them all.
At least Jackson was on minimum chips and helped bring you a flag.
How do you think it feels when you move heaven and earth to get hill hogan lobb pay them very well then walk out the door with barely a thanks and no flags 3 years later.
Like I said earlier top 10 picks maybe a better chance but I’ve see more fail in our history.
Young serong brayshaw amiss and hill are our only successes since 1999 and we’ve had 11 top ten picks

in hindsight the Hogan trade was a win yeah. At the time it was considered a loss as we were pushing for another pick but Peter Bell didn't cough it up. Thank God for you guys.

Yeah, I think the draft is speculative at the best of times. I'd rather the proven gun over a host of picks that are unproven. even top 10 picks. even top 5. if Melbourne lose Pickett it's supposed to be a good draft this year so any future 1's won't be able to be traded back into the current draft because clubs will be aware of this.

 

[danster168]

lots of great players here and over a 50% hit rate is pretty good for any draft pick

point being - not all of the elite talent is gone within the top 10 and saying otherwise is just hyperbole

agree. 50% is about the bust rate. which is why I think for any player going out ideally 2 picks is better like Jackson so it gives you 2 bites at the cherry.

 

[robbo1981]

If Kozzie picks Port it will get done it's one thing we are elite at .
Sure we didn't get the Rat this yr but that's only because he wasn't a priority.