As an impartial observer for this topic, I actually think Cloke had a better year than Franklin and should've been in the top 40 All Aust.
But, on exposed form and upside, you'd have to go with Franklin.
impartial, you're a Richmond supporter.
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As an impartial observer for this topic, I actually think Cloke had a better year than Franklin and should've been in the top 40 All Aust.
But, on exposed form and upside, you'd have to go with Franklin.
I cant believe a thread about Travis Cloke has gone 37 pages....
no, this thread has gone for 37 pages because hawthorn fans are too precious and naive to understand why someone would choose cloke over franklin in their team
no, this thread has gone for 37 pages because hawthorn fans are too precious and naive to understand why someone would choose cloke over franklin in their team
OK you win. My extreme passion for my club has clouded my decision making ability. I have been found out by all of the non-Hawthorn supporters who would also choose Cloke over Franklin.
Because he is plays in a black and white jumper.
Another post also mentions how Cloke can be a powerhouse forward and potentially kick 60-65 goals in a year. Well I think Roughy has kicked more goals in 07 than Cloke, is the same age but how many pages are written about him? Cloke and Roughy will be very good but take it easy Cloke has not done anymore than other young forwards, please watch other games.
However Buddy is kicking > 60 goals now at 20, this is rare! Where he finishes in the game compared to other greats will come down to two things, injuries and his mental state over the journey.
Point me to the other 20 year old key forwards with Best & Fairest Trophies in the bag for a top 4 sideBecause he is plays in a black and white jumper.
Another post also mentions how Cloke can be a powerhouse forward and potentially kick 60-65 goals in a year. Well I think Roughy has kicked more goals in 07 than Cloke, is the same age but how many pages are written about him? Cloke and Roughy will be very good but take it easy Cloke has not done anymore than other young forwards, please watch other games.
However Buddy is kicking > 60 goals now at 20, this is rare! Where he finishes in the game compared to other greats will come down to two things, injuries and his mental state over the journey.
Right now, I can't think of a single player in the entire league I would rather have on my list than Franklin. Maybe Jonathon Brown, but he has injury issues that have limited him. Franklin has 10 years of dominance ahead of him.
Cloke is decent, and showed a lot of improvement this year. Different class altogether though.
Right now, I can't think of a single player in the entire league I would rather have on my list than Franklin. Maybe Jonathon Brown, but he has injury issues that have limited him. Franklin has 10 years of dominance ahead of him.
Cloke is decent, and showed a lot of improvement this year. Different class altogether though.
thats all that needs to be said. cloke's not even in the same league
Most non-Collingwood supporters would not choose a Collingwood player regardless.They r programed(brainwashed)to do so. R u conveniantly overlooking this fact?OK you win. My extreme passion for my club has clouded my decision making ability. I have been found out by all of the non-Hawthorn supporters who would also choose Cloke over Franklin.
CHF is a much much MUCH harder position to play then a FF.
CHF is a much much MUCH harder position to play then a FF.
LOl-every Champion that has played the game will tell u that CHF is the hardest position to play but hey,whatever supports your argument.Care to explain what is so hard about being your teams focal point across half forward... Lead up strongly towards your midfielders and then wheel around and kick it long to the top of the square...
Getting the oppositions best 1,2 or 3 defenders every week however... that would be tough for a 20 year old to deal with.
if u could choose one to be on ur team who would u choose?
personally i'd take franklin just cos hes way more exciting to watch
Buddy could probably play CHF as well, as he could wing, eventually maybe ruck rover, or full forward, or as a crumber.CHF is a much much MUCH harder position to play then a FF.
Buddy could probably play CHF as well, as he could wing, eventually maybe ruck rover, or full forward, or as a crumber.
Cloke is a gun, and many clubs would love to have him.
Doesn't mean he has what Franklin has though. I can't see why that isn't obvious to Pies' fans.
Its hilarious hearing the Pies' reasoning when they are obviously being one-eyed themselves "everyone would always choose the non-collingwood player".
Its like an exclusion clause whenever they lose an argument.
Franklin doesn't have the work ethic or endurance to play a true CHF position imo.